Battery concerns

[Tugg n chase]

Been seeing quite a few postings (especially regarding sub-ohming) that just give blanket "get the 30a Sony" responses. I have these batteries and they do work well, but am wondering if these higher amp limit batteries will just become a fail safe and prevent people from actually learning about what it is they're using

 

[B1sh0p]

Considering how many people are sub ohming and how few stories you hear of venting batteries, I think it'll be alright.

 

[State O' Flux]

Been seeing quite a few postings (especially regarding sub-ohming) that just give blanket "get the 30a Sony" responses. I have these batteries and they do work well, but am wondering if these higher amp limit batteries will just become a fail safe and prevent people from actually learning about what it is they're using

I think that in most cases, only the most blatant misuses (or "Jackass" type idiocy) result in damage or (apparently) minor injury. And yet...

I also would imagine that a good many sub-intelligent sub-ohmers, who've had a battery "failure", would be less than willing to share their ignorance and injury with the world. If helping others was not real high on your list of things to do - would you tell everyone how dumb you are?

Perhaps, after the first scare - and one can only hope - they used their remaining brain cells to learn a bit about the things they were too arrogant to feel the need for in the past - like ohms law, labels... ya' know, semi-useful stuff like that. ;-)

 

[Sucker_dad]

While I would suggest anyone get the best available batteries no matter their desired purpose. I can see the point. I think most people on here at least try to warn people to be careful about what they are doing. I personally don't know everything there is to know. So I researched and watched a bunch of videos. If someone does not do at least the minimum research what can you do?

 

[Baditude]

Considering the growing trend of younger vapers getting into vaping primarily to "make clouds" as opposed to vaping as an alternative to smoking, we're going to see some bad accidents happen due to ignorance and a lack of education on their part about the potential danger sub-ohm vaping can be. To them vaping has become an "extreme sport" of who can make the biggest clouds of vapor or who can make the lowest ohm coil. When they are cautioned to be careful they come across with this stubborn attitude of ignoring advice and come back with, "I don't need to know about that, just tell me how to make bigger clouds."

My guess is most of these cloud chasers don't have a clue about the proper batteries needed or even know what a dead short is. Many don't own a multimeter let alone know how to use one. Many are jumping into the deep end of the pool before learning to swim. They haven't done their homework, and it shows when they come on ECF asking why their mods don't work.

Collapsed hot springs, hot fire buttons, hot mod bodies, or hot batteries. We ask them what ohms they're running and they don't know. Ask them what amp limit their batteries are, and they don't even know what kind of battery they are using; they can only say what color it is. It's a wonder no one has gotten hurt yet. Or maybe we just haven't heard about it. Who would want to report that on the forum knowing the flack they'd get for doing something so stupid?

There's also the growing trend of some vape shops selling brand new vapers a mechanical mod set up with sub-ohm coils, and not giving any instruction or education to the customer...sometimes with inappropriate batteries. One would think these sales people would have more responsibility than that. IMHO this borders on negligence.

 

[Gr8Scott]

Considering the growing trend of younger vapers getting into vaping primarily to "make clouds" as opposed to vaping as an alternative to smoking, we're going to see some bad accidents happen due to ignorance and a lack of education on their part about the potential danger sub-ohm vaping can be. To them vaping has become an "extreme sport" of who can make the biggest clouds of vapor or who can make the lowest ohm coil. When they are cautioned to be careful they come across with this stubborn attitude of ignoring advice and come back with, "I don't need to know about that, just tell me how to make bigger clouds."

My guess is most of these cloud chasers don't have a clue about the proper batteries needed or even know what a dead short is. Many don't own a multimeter let alone know how to use one. Many are jumping into the deep end of the pool before learning to swim. They haven't done their homework, and it shows when they come on ECF asking why their mods don't work.

Collapsed hot springs, hot fire buttons, hot mod bodies, or hot batteries. We ask them what ohms they're running and they don't know. Ask them what amp limit their batteries are, and they don't even know what kind of battery they are using; they can only say what color it is. It's a wonder no one has gotten hurt yet. Or maybe we just haven't heard about it. Who would want to report that on the forum knowing the flack they'd get for doing something so stupid?

There's also the growing trend of some vape shops selling brand new vapers a mechanical mod set up with sub-ohm coils, and not giving any instruction or education to the customer...sometimes with inappropriate batteries. One would think these sales people would have more responsibility than that. IMHO this borders on negligence.

Listen and respect what this man says. Take it upon yourself to learn about what you are getting into.

18650s are notjust "bigger" versions of the same batteries you put into radios and appliances. Totally different animal.


I said it previously, it makes no difference how big of a cloud you make if that's the last thing you see because your battery blows up in your face and takes out your eyes.

I will once again insert this link for anybody that doubts the potential tragedy of being careless with Lithium cells.

And remember, this guy was using a flashlight, not a mod that is proximal to one's face.

Ultrafire 18650 3000mA exploded

I apologize to the OP,as I know you saw this in my other thread, but people need to exercise more care when dealing with Lithium cells.

 

[Steamix]

It's really a pity:

With mobile internet available almost everywhere and kids more or less glued to their mobile devices I find it amazing that they don't bother with even a minimum of research before wading right in...Guess not being gung-ho about it lets you look uncool among your peers.

Well, let 'em perma-stay on facebook then - till one or two of 'em don't have a face left to show there, cuz it got mangled by a battery cooking off...

 

[Tugg n chase]

Thanks everyone. I know that I've seen some of you post similar info in other threads, but I figured another safety thread couldn't hurt.

 

[Baditude]

I will once again insert this link for anybody that doubts the potential tragedy of being careless with Lithium cells ... And remember, this guy was using a flashlight, not a mod that is proximal to one's face.

Ultrafire 18650 3000mA exploded

... people need to exercise more care when dealing with Lithium cells.

There's a reason that I promote battery and mod safety on this forum so much. Not long after I got my first mechanical mod I too had a battery explode. Not an 18650 battery, but a protected 14500 ICR. Here's a pic of that battery.



The following pics warrant repeat exposure in this thread just to remind folks of the power/danger these Lithium batteries have. Admittedly, these events are rare, but they won't be so rare if it happens to you:

 

[danny.t]

I'm new to mechanical mods. I bought an nemesis clone about a month ago and still haven't decided on batteries. Im taking my time to research before I buy so I know what i'm getting into.

What I'm worried about is people who don't know what they are getting into and the safety concerns that go with it.

Last thing this community needs is some kid who blows up his hand because of an e-cig. Media would be all over that.

I really hope that the brick and morter stores are taking the time to give at least some disclaimers or tutorials?

 

[retired1]

Moved to Batteries and Chargers

 

[Baldr]

Any battery can explode. Car batteries can be pretty destructive. Google for "Prius fire", and you'll see what happens with the batteries in one of those goes bad.

There was a story recently about an iPhone catching fire in someones pocket. (me runs off to Google.)

iPhone 5c catches fire in student's pocket, causes second-degree burns

So any battery *can* go bad. They store energy, and that means there is energy there waiting to be released.

Nothing is 100% safe. But as long as you aren't doing stupid stuff, the battery you are using to vape shouldn't be a major risk.

 

[Gr8Scott]

I'm new to mechanical mods. I bought an nemesis clone about a month ago and still haven't decided on batteries. Im taking my time to research before I buy so I know what i'm getting into.

What I'm worried about is people who don't know what they are getting into and the safety concerns that go with it.

Last thing this community needs is some kid who blows up his hand because of an e-cig. Media would be all over that.

I really hope that the brick and morter stores are taking the time to give at least some disclaimers or tutorials?

Here, again, is the handy dandy chart for batteries and their ratings. Also the no brainer Ohms Law Calculator.

Hopefully since we were taken off "Main St." we will still get some exposure, as this is important material. Really important. The "quick", "now
" then forget it and "on to the next" nature of posting these days makes it hard enough to disseminate good info.

And lord knows the highly efficient and precise nature of search strings will certainly make it easy to find.


EDIT- I have no idea how both of these didn't post earlier, as I cut and pasted them from another of my threads here. Anyway, this is what was supposed to be here:

Here are two items that will help you:

First are amp ratings for different battery brands-

I need to mention that with the above battery chart this is a battery with a full 4.2v charge.

And give yourself some room with those recommended resistances. I.E. just because the chart gives you a lowest rated Ω coil- don't push it, go well above and keep your face on.



Next is an application to tell what kind of amperage you are dealing with; so you can use the above chart. Only enter voltage of your 18650(which you get with a digital multimeter) and the resistance of your atomizer coil.

Ohm's and Joule's Law Calculator

 

[Filthy-Beast]

I see too many of us experienced folks answer a question with "research, know what your doing". Take the time to tell each person the basic rules without all the technical lessons, they've taken the first step to ask, many will not or even have a hard time "researching". Think of it as a small way to PIF. Something like this:

Battery Basics for mechanicals:
Buy good batteries from proven suppliers, there are many clone batteries that don't meet spec of the model they are cloning.
Know the maximum continuous discharge amp rating.
Don't exceed 70% of the max amp rating.
Use an ohms law calculator, Use 4.2 volts in the calculator, this is the typical voltage of a fully charged battery. Ohm's Law calc

For example:
AW IMR 2000mah 18650 battery has a max continuous discharge rating of 10 amps. 70% = 7 amps.
AW IMR 1600mah 18650 battery has a max continuous discharge rating of 24 amps. 70% = 16.8 amps.

Using the calculator linked above for the 2000mah battery, put 4.2 in volts and 7 in for amps and you'll find you need to run a coil at .6 ohms or higher. The same calculation with the 1600mah battery, using 4.2 volts and 16.8 amps shows you can run coils of .25ohms or higher.

You also have to make sure that all the components of the mod or PV you are using can handle the amp load. Some have been built with switches that can only handle 3 amps. On a mod like this no mater what battery you have the lowest coil you could run would be 1.4 ohms.