Battery do's and don't?

[st0nedpenguin]

Since you apparently want to argue semantics, the chemistry used in a particular cell may well be proprietary, but the "batteries we're dealing with" aren't themselves proprietary.

We're using Li-Mn batteries.

Edit: You seem to not understand the point regarding counterfeit batteries, they AREN'T the same quality and performance wise as the original, they're fake branded crap. That's why people don't want to buy them.

 

[dr g]

Since you apparently want to argue semantics, the chemistry used in a particular cell may well be proprietary, but the "batteries we're dealing with" aren't themselves proprietary.

We're using Li-Mn batteries.

No, no we're not. None of the batteries I listed are strictly LiMN batteries. That's the point. This isn't "semantics" this is the whole picture.

Edit: You seem to not understand the point regarding counterfeit batteries, they AREN'T the same quality and performance wise as the original, they're fake branded crap. That's why people don't want to buy them.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

No, no we're not. None of the batteries I listed are strictly LiMN batteries. That's the point. This isn't "semantics" this is the whole picture.

No batteries were listed in the original post I quoted, the term "batteries" as a whole is hardly particularly specific.

X battery may be a proprietary chemistry. "The batteries we're dealing with" are not.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

You don't seem to understand the point of the discussion you interjected yourself in, which is whether Fasttech is known to sell counterfeit batteries.

And you don't seem to understand that a Chinese site known for selling counterfeit everything else under the sun probably isn't the most trustworthy site on the ol' interwebs.

 

[zapped]

What the hell are you even talking about? Did you actually read that link? There is not a single mention of fasttech in that entire thread!



Come on man don't flat out lie. Just say you didn't click on the link.



This is unnecessarily alarmist. Most regulated mods do have their own protection of some type. This really only applies to unregulated mech mod use.

In 4 years of posting here Ive never, not even once, seen Baditude come anywhere close to even approaching a lie.

Most sub-ohm vapers are using mechanical devices.

Maybe you havent been vaping long enough to appreciate the benefits but I dont see anyone advising caution as being alarmists. They realize what we have to lose, especially when we are coming under fire from so many fronts like the FDA, ANTZ and misinformed and biased government officials.

All it takes is a handful of idiots getting seriously hurt before we see a nationwide ban on our batteries, which were incidentally originally developed for police and emergency services use. It would be a very simple step to only make them available to police or rescue workers presenting a valid I.D...... nationwide.

I appreciate your passion but youre advocating an accident. Someones personal freedom to act like an idiot isnt worth more than a persons right to have a face free from scarring or burn damage and sure as hell isnt worth having a hundred thousand peoples right to vape taken away.

I never have understood how someone could justify throwing common sense and caution to the wind, especially in regards to something thats been almost a miracle to many of us.

I think that more than anything else puts the lie to your statements and paints you as a fool in this particular argument. Your personal attacks and getting so bent-out-of-shape only cements it.

Everyone else here seems calm and rational by comparison. If you were reading this thread for the first time who would you listen to?

The smart money, as well as this veteran vaper/ex-vendor, is with Baditude.

 

[dr g]

And you don't seem to understand that a Chinese site known for selling counterfeit everything else under the sun probably isn't the most trustworthy site on the ol' interwebs.

No, they don't sell counterfeit stuff. The sell clone stuff quite often and I have used quite a bit of it. A lot of it is good.

Fasttech does NOT as far as we have ever seen -- which is remarkable given their expansive catalog -- call a non-genuine item genuine. With batteries, as I explained above, you can actually confirm this by the performance of the units. Fasttech's record on batteries is as good as US suppliers.

By the way simply buying directly from China isn't some crapshoot if you work with reputable suppliers (of which Fasttech is one.) After all, that's what your US suppliers are doing.

 

[dr g]

In 4 years of posting here Ive never, not even once, seen Baditude come anwyhere close to even approaching a lie.

Well now you have, and it wasn't even a shade of grey, it was a flat-out, bald-faced lie. I couldn't believe it myself, that someone would be so brazen to lie and obviously make stuff up that anyone can confirm in seconds.

Most sub-ohm vapers are using mechanical devices.

That may or may not continue to be the case, depending on how enlightened the community can get.

Maybe you havent been vaping long enough to appreciate the benefits but I dont see anyone advising caution as being alarmists. They realize what we have to lose, especially when we are coming under fire from so many fronts like the FDA, ANTZ and misinformed and biased government officials.

All it takes is a handful of idiots getting seriously hurt before we see a nationwide ban on our batteries, which were incidentally originally developed for police and emergency services use. It would be a very simple step to only make them available to police or rescue workers presenting a valid i.d, nationwide.

I appreciate your passion but youre advocating an accident. Plain and simple. Theres nothing smart about that.

Alarmism and caution are two different things. They are the difference between someone sending you a news article and sending you a chain email. Alarmism promotes ignorance and THAT is dangerous.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

No, they don't sell counterfeit stuff. The sell clone stuff quite often and I have used quite a bit of it. A lot of it is good.

Fasttech does NOT as far as we have ever seen -- which is remarkable given their expansive catalog -- call a non-genuine item genuine. With batteries, as I explained above, you can actually confirm this by the performance of the units. Fasttech's record on batteries is as good as US suppliers.

By the way simply buying directly from China isn't some crapshoot if you work with reputable suppliers (of which Fasttech is one.) After all, that's what your US suppliers are doing.

I'm pretty sure this isn't a real Ithaka.

 

[dr g]

I'm pretty sure this isn't a real Ithaka.

Doesn't say it is. If it's genuine it says genuine or has the brand name.

That right there is an "Ithaka Adjustable Rebuildable Atomizer (4.0mL)"

 

[st0nedpenguin]

I'm not seeing anything on their site stating it's genuine, whether it's a clone or not.

None of the "real" stuff has brand names on it either.

Regardless, selling an Ithaka clone that's called the Ithaka is hardly a standup super legit trustworthy move now, is it?

 

[dr g]

I'm not seeing anything on their site stating it's genuine, whether it's a clone or not.

None of the "real" stuff has brand names on it either.

Regardless, selling an Ithaka clone that's called the Ithaka is hardly a standup super legit trustworthy move now, is it?

It's a clone, that's the deal. Stuff like that are cloned by Chinese manufacturers and offered to Fasttech. There's a good chance it says Ithaka somewhere on the box, or the manufacturer called it that. However the genuine stuff sold on Fasttech will have the brand name or be labeled genuine.

It's perfectly fine if it fits within their legal structure. This isn't something new, it's your own self that's deciding on the ethics of it. However that listing I can guarantee you is super legit, and Fasttech is trustworthy. If you order that item, you will get that item if it's in stock, barring it getting lost in the mail.

EDIT: In most cases while the item may bear an outward resemblance of the original item, the design is different -- and cheaper -- on the clone items. Fasttech makes it a point to show you all the parts so you know in advance what you are buying.

EDIT 2: Also note that in the case of the genuine ithaka there IS branding on it, which is not copied on the clone. THAT would make it a counterfeit.

 

[dr g]

Maybe there's a misunderstanding about where I'm coming from on this. The point is that Fasttech has outstanding pricing and a very accessible site that allows US consumers to leverage China pricing on many items produced there. Doing business with China is not only common among US businesses, it practically underpins the US economy. So there is nothing inherently bad about purchasing directly from China, if anything it helps counteract the downward pressure on wages outsourcing has caused.

With any China sourcing, the important thing is to establish a trustworthy business relationship and to verify the products you receive. A ton of us have done this legwork for Fasttech and have found them to be trustworthy and the products verify out pretty much 100%.

Yes, they sell clones of other higher-priced items. Yes, they use the name of the higher-priced item in the name of the clone. But they will never represent the clone purposely as the real thing, and they have a naming convention that allows the difference to be known.

And that's what it boils down to. Fasttech is a reputable, reliable direct-from-China retailer that deals in both unbranded and genuine branded China goods. They are not hiding which is which and you just need to know their naming convention to understand this. In doing so, they are actually doing us a HUGE service by sourcing the real deal for us -- this is our main concern!

Those of us who have dealt with them for a while know this and pass the information on to other users because it's a great deal. For others to come in without experience or evidence, malign our information while steering other users toward their own personally preferred items -- especially leveraging their postcount, tenure or other status symbol to do so -- is distasteful to say the least.

We're trying to help people out here, and some others are "unhelping" them.

 

[New2vaps]

So, are we safe using AW IMR 18350 unprotected battery in a Provari purchased from an American company called RDTVAPOR?

 

[Baditude]

So, are we safe using AW IMR 18350 unprotected battery in a Provari purchased from an American company called RDTVAPOR?

Only the erect nipple top variety.

 

[Katdarling]

That's rich coming from someone who flat out lied about what I posted and made up other stuff in responses after that. My "attitude" is to get things right and not mislead people, or allow them to be misled. Never will respect people who value status over facts. Doubly so for those who have status and use it to mislead.

By the way, there's a difference between calling someone ridiculous and calling out a ridiculous statement.

The bottom line is, yes there are shady battery dealers out there but to the best of anyone's knowledge Fasttech is not one of them.

No, no we're not. None of the batteries I listed are strictly LiMN batteries. That's the point. This isn't "semantics" this is the whole picture.



You don't seem to understand the point of the discussion you interjected yourself in, which is whether Fasttech is known to sell counterfeit batteries.

I believe the bolded portions of your posts above might be indicative of the reason why some people might be having a hard time listening to you. We all slip up, but here on ECF, we "attack the post, not the poster".

 

[New2vaps]

By the way Baditutde, thanks for the recommendation. I just received my PILA charger from RTDVAPOR. This is one nice charger.

 

[Lessifer]

I have an idea, Baditude delete replace fasttech with amazon in your original general post about being wary of counterfeit batteries, then dr g can end his crusade to protect the virtue of the name fasttech and a mod can delete the 6 pages of this thread that have nothing to do with battery do's and don'ts. Sound good?

Don't get me wrong, I love fasttech, but if I were the kind of vapor that wanted to do sub ohm coils that pull 20 amps, I'd probably buy my batteries elsewhere. I'm pretty sure the two panasonics that came with my vamo are genuine but I have no idea how I'd know, since I don't think they say Panasonic on them anywhere, and I don't think genuine ones do.

 

[tearose50]

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The bottom line is, yes there are shady battery dealers out there.....[/QUOTE]

That's on topic for a battery safety thread.

And, that was the message intention by myself and others.

Need I remind everyone that the OP was buying his first mod and was asking for knowledge -- Battery 101, so to speak.

 

[dr g]

I believe the bolded portions of your posts above might be indicative of the reason why some people might be having a hard time listening to you. We all slip up, but here on ECF, we "attack the post, not the poster".

Please, spare me. Both people had plenty of "responses to the post" before either of those replies, I rarely talk about a poster unless it's clear the poster himself has a problem. When someone lies about what you post, that is a personal attack that requires a personal reply. The liar is the one who initiates the response "not to the post" and needs to be called out on that as you think you are doing here.

As for the second one, I like how you didn't notice that my reply was structured in the exact same way as the post it replied to (I agree, a personal attack on me), and didn't bother saying anything about that post. The structure shows that I am directly responding to the content of the post.

This goes to show the issue here, people are judging by who's posting; popularity contests have never been a legitimate way to know the truth.

Don't get me wrong, I love fasttech, but if I were the kind of vapor that wanted to do sub ohm coils that pull 20 amps, I'd probably buy my batteries elsewhere. I'm pretty sure the two panasonics that came with my vamo are genuine but I have no idea how I'd know, since I don't think they say Panasonic on them anywhere, and I don't think genuine ones do.

If you were a subohm vaper and are not one now, you probably would do research learn and about the facts surrounding what you need to do to achieve the goal. In that research you'd learn that many subohm vapers use fasttech batteries, and no one has had an issue with them. In the end there is no quality-related reason to buy batteries elsewhere, that's the point. They have as good a reputation for supplying genuine batteries as the best US sites, and they were verified the same way -- by someone ordering and testing the battery. A battery having the company's name on it is meaningless as many genuines do not.

By the way no panasonics would be suitable for a 20a draw. Only a specific few FT batteries would be suitable for 20a and a fake would be found out immediately. That is extreme performance and there is no faking that.

 

[dr g]

The bottom line is, yes there are shady battery dealers out there.....

That's on topic for a battery safety thread.

And, that was the message intention by myself and others.

Need I remind everyone that the OP was buying his first mod and was asking for knowledge -- Battery 101, so to speak.

Not cool to change the meaning of my post by quoting out of context. That's bad practice and is dishonest.

This is what I actually posted:

The bottom line is, yes there are shady battery dealers out there but to the best of anyone's knowledge Fasttech is not one of them.

The point is finding non-shady dealers. RTDVapors is shady by the standard being employed in this thread.