Battery do's and don't?
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Somehow I just found picture funny:
AW IMR 18350 - Kidney Puncher
(I have absolutely no information about this vendor, but am reasonably sure they are not registered suppliers here at ECF.)
And, to stay on topic -- They do listed these safety cautions:
"As with all batteries, it is vital to use them with caution.
DO NOT store in direct sunlight.
DO NOT dispose of in fire.
DO NOT overcharge/undercharge the batteries.
DO NOT short circuit; personal injury can occur.
Choking hazard! Please keep away from children and pets.
Optimal charging is at 4.2 volts. Exceeding this level will shorten the lifespan of your battery."
AW IMR 18350 - Kidney Puncher
(I have absolutely no information about this vendor, but am reasonably sure they are not registered suppliers here at ECF.)
And, to stay on topic -- They do listed these safety cautions:
"As with all batteries, it is vital to use them with caution.
DO NOT store in direct sunlight.
DO NOT dispose of in fire.
DO NOT overcharge/undercharge the batteries.
DO NOT short circuit; personal injury can occur.
Choking hazard! Please keep away from children and pets.
Optimal charging is at 4.2 volts. Exceeding this level will shorten the lifespan of your battery."
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Very interesting. Seems they are taking this seriously (getting a genuine AW batt). I'm not quite sure how the bar code works to track your usage...
At first I thought that their label WAS the actual label. Seems they just add it on top.
AW IMR 18650 - Kidney Puncher
I also don't know much about this vendor other than they have been fairly generous in supplying products for give-a-ways on Internet vape shows.
At first I thought that their label WAS the actual label. Seems they just add it on top.
AW IMR 18650 - Kidney Puncher
I also don't know much about this vendor other than they have been fairly generous in supplying products for give-a-ways on Internet vape shows.
I just came across an excellent guide on batteries, with a focus specifically on batteries for use in a mod using rebuildable atomizers, found in the RBA Forum here on ECF. Of particular interest in choosing a safer battery, he recommends IMR (high-drain, safe-chemistry) and those brands that document the maximum amp draw, which is determined by the battery's C rating and mAh rating.
A side note: This link is from PBusardo's Taste Your Juice website. He recently has been outspoken in discouraging sub ohm vaping for safety reasons, as many veteran vapor's here at ECF have. It seems that sub ohm vaping is getting more and more criticism as more people learn what it is.
Despite this, he authored this guide to help educate those vapors who are using RBAs which demand the highest performing batteries. This is the first and only reference that I've seen thus far which gives factual information on which batteries are safe to use in these demanding situations.
A Little on Battery Safety
Edit: ECF is not allowing a direct link to the article.
Go to PBusardo's TasteYourJuice website. Type in "batteries" in the search window at the top right of the page. It's worth the extra effort.
A side note: This link is from PBusardo's Taste Your Juice website. He recently has been outspoken in discouraging sub ohm vaping for safety reasons, as many veteran vapor's here at ECF have. It seems that sub ohm vaping is getting more and more criticism as more people learn what it is.
Despite this, he authored this guide to help educate those vapors who are using RBAs which demand the highest performing batteries. This is the first and only reference that I've seen thus far which gives factual information on which batteries are safe to use in these demanding situations.
A Little on Battery Safety
Edit: ECF is not allowing a direct link to the article.
Go to PBusardo's TasteYourJuice website. Type in "batteries" in the search window at the top right of the page. It's worth the extra effort.
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Grimm Green also mentioned C rating and how to determine if a battery will handle your mech mod in a recent video (from last weekend). I was about half asleep at the time, and didn't catch it all. Need to rewatch it.
I just came across an excellent guide on batteries, with a focus specifically on batteries for use in a mod using rebuildable atomizers, found in the RBA Forum here on ECF. Of particular interest in choosing a safer battery, he recommends IMR (high-drain, safe-chemistry) and those brands that document the maximum amp draw, which is determined by the battery's C rating and mAh rating.
A side note: This link is from PBusardo's Taste Your Juice website. He recently has been outspoken in discouraging sub ohm vaping for safety reasons, as many veteran vapor's here at ECF have. It seems that sub ohm vaping is getting more and more criticism as more people learn what it is.
Despite this, he authored this guide to help educate those vapors who are using RBAs which demand the highest performing batteries. This is the first and only reference that I've seen thus far which gives factual information on which batteries are safe to use in these demanding situations.
A Little on Battery Safety
Edit: ECF is not allowing a direct link to the article.
I'm thrilled actually, that Phil is taking a stance, as his opinions are valued by a HUGE audience.
Thanks susie. I'm going to look for it.
I imagine we will soon enuf.
I understand the science of why it's a bad idea, and I doubt there are any labs out there testing the safety of firing a .2ohm coil on a battery that isn't supposed to be capable of handling it. If you want to test it out to see what happens, have at it. I don't need to experience a 60mph crash without a seatbelt to know that it's a good idea to wear one.
Why? Subohm isn't a new thing, it's been happening for a while. Usually when it's a new frontier is when you see people pushing it too far. Nowadays, we have increasing education about how things work and how to do things safely, plus sources of inexpensive batteries that can handle subohm loads.
Can you produce even one report to date?
There are a lot of people out there vaping subohm, even down to .1x ohm. Can you produce even one report to date?
I'm not sure what you're advocating. Are you saying it's wrong to warn people of the possible dangers of sub ohm vaping with batteries that can't handle it just because we haven't seen a catastrophic accident yet? All anyone here is trying to do is make sure people are educated.
Regulated or not, the main danger with knock-off batteries is internal malfunction. No protection circuit in the world will prevent a faulty battery from failing. This does not at all only apply to unregulated mech mods. It applies to batteries in general. Including cig-a-likes, 510 and ego batteries. And, as you probably have heard about, cheap knock-off cell phone batteries.
Yes I am saying it is wrong to warn people of "dangers" we don't know actually exist.
I suspect that subohm vaping isn't anywhere near the most risky thing we can do as vapers, not the least reason for which is the need for high quality batteries for subohm. If you put a 1C POS battery in a subohm mod I wouldn't doubt if its inability to supply high current will have even completely unaware vapers abandoning it before it fails.
As you noted, protection is irrelevant to internal shorts. That's what I'm talking about. We have no less protection than in other applications of these batteries if we use a protection circuit.
I suspect that subohm vaping isn't anywhere near the most risky thing we can do as vapers, not the least reason for which is the need for high quality batteries for subohm. If you put a 1C POS battery in a subohm mod I wouldn't doubt if its inability to supply high current will have even completely unaware vapers abandoning it before it fails.
As you noted, protection is irrelevant to internal shorts. That's what I'm talking about. We have no less protection than in other applications of these batteries if we use a protection circuit.
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It's not about sub-ohm or not sub-ohm. It's about keeping a healthy battery within its safe operating range.
Guess this will be another thread about battery safety where people who don't drop below 1 ohm will walk away feeling perfectly safe vaping on their 50 cent battery.
Guess this will be another thread about battery safety where people who don't drop below 1 ohm will walk away feeling perfectly safe vaping on their 50 cent battery.
dr g, sub ohm vaping IS actually new. It's new to many new vapers. Part of the existence of threads like this is to educate those new vapers about safe vaping. I don't choose to vape super low ohms, but if someone wants to, and knows what they are doing, go for it. I also don't choose to ride a motorcycle or tight walk the Grand Canyon. But if ya do, go for it! Just be safe, and you would, if you know the risks. The problem is that many do NOT know the risks, or much about batteries at all! No criticism intended to those vapers... we all chase unicorns once in a while.
And to answer your question, no I can not. And I hope I NEVER can.
I truly hope that you can relax up a little bit in this thread. You have some good info to share and it would be a shame if someone hit the triangle.
Do YOU know the risks? I'm not even sure I know the risks. I am starting to think the risks aren't what we think they are in theory.
I tend to disagree that is some great epidemic of green noobs trying subohm before they even understand which end of the battery is up. I think that's a made up thing, and I think it was made up by experienced vapers who see a proliferation of subohm cloud videos and know they aren't getting anywhere near that (with their Provaris, yes I said it
). Deep down inside they feel a little bad about that since these upstarts are going so far beyond anything they ever achieved and with cheap mech mods, and thus they feel the need to talk down on subohm vaping.
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The term sub-ohm is just a trendy term for nothing in particular, battery-wise. It's like people see it as a dark spot on the map marked Here be Dragons. In reality, batteries are dumb. They don't know if you're vaping at 10 ohms or 1 ohm... Or, God forgive; 0.9 ohms. They just do what they do and hope you don't push them beyond their breaking point.
The real uncharted territory with real dragons that can take your face and fingers off is chargers simply marked "Made in China" with no further mention of traceable origin and the batteries with similar stories.
The term sub-ohm is just a trendy term for nothing in particular, battery-wise. It's like people see it as a dark spot on the map marked Here be Dragons. In reality, batteries are dumb. They don't know if you're vaping at 10 ohms or 1 ohm... Or, God forgive; 0.9 ohms. They just do what they do and hope you don't push them beyond their breaking point.
The real uncharted territory with real dragons that can take your face and fingers off is chargers simply marked "Made in China" with no further mention of traceable origin and the batteries with similar stories.
Do YOU know the risks? I'm not even sure I know the risks. I am starting to think the risks aren't what we think they are in theory.
I tend to disagree that is some great epidemic of green noobs trying subohm before they even understand which end of the battery is up. I think that's a made up thing, and I think it was made up by experienced vapers who see a proliferation of subohm cloud videos and know they aren't getting anywhere near that (with their Provaris, yes I said it
How much do I owe you?
This was posted on August 1, 2013 somewhere else where some vapers hang out:
"This is the result of someone using a stock battery in a sub ohm build." (emphasis added)
"This is the result of someone using a stock battery in a sub ohm build." (emphasis added)
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