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Topwater Elvis

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No, use only authentic name brand cells with a sufficient CDR to safely support the amp demand caused by the resistance range you intend to use, only buy cells from known reputable dealers.

The vgod pro mech 2 is a very poor choice for a beginner/someone new to vaping, they have no protection circuitry or safety features other than the one between the users ears.
In the hands of the inexperienced they can become dangerous in the blink of an eye.

Mooch's blogs on batteries & related stuff ---> Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum
 

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I wouldn't use that battery in a vape at all, mech or regulated. First, "Fenix" doesn't even remotely sound like "sony", "samsung", "LG" or "sanyo".
Second, if you take a look at their data sheet it says it has a CDR of 7A... not even in the ballpark for vaping.

It likely is a rewrapped panasonic NCR cell but you didn't hear that from me :D
 

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Can you recommend a battery for this specific device?
For a mech we can only recommend batteries for the resistance range/power you want to use it at, not generally for all builds. There's different batteries for lower power than for high power. That said, the safest practice, especially in the beginning, is to shoot for the high power cells. You may get a little shorter vape time but you'll have some semblance of safety margin. Sony VTC5A or Samsung 25R and only buy from trusted vendors, not ebay or scamazon!
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If you don't know what I'm talking about then please think of letting the mech sit on the shelf until you read up on mech basics. Building, battery safety, maintenance, all that good sh:censored:.
Vaping on a mech is more than just throwing a coil and a battery in, it's not for beginners and the uninformed.

If you don't want to end up as a smoldering pile of soot on the floor please do your homework.
 

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@NEERDNL , I hope you haven't gone away. As others have said already, a mechanical mod would never be my first choice for first mod ever. Using a mech is not a care free, plug-n-play device like a regulated (electronic) mod might be. First of all you need to understand the concept of Ohm's Law or the relationship of coil resistance, amp draw, and battery amp ratings before you use a mechanical mod. Please read the below three blog articles and if there is ANYTHING that you don't understand please ask someone in the forum for an explanation.

Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations for a Mechanical Mod
A Beginner's Guide to Your First Mechanical Mod
Battery Basics for Mods: The Definative Battery Guide for Vaping
 

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Hello!

I just recently bought a VGOD Pro Mech 2 Kit, and this is my first ever.

My question is this "Fenix ARBL18 High-Capacity 18650 Battery - 3400mAh" battery will be good for it? I just saw some terrible pictures about wrong batteries and i'm a bit afraid now, so i need some tips for my first vaper!

Hi NEEDNL. Welcome to the ECF.

Starting Vaping with a Mech Mod when one has little or No Understanding of how a Mech Mod/Batteries work is a Good Way to get Your Hand (or your Face) in one of those Pictures.

I would Strongly Recommend that you put that Mech aside for the time being. And use a Regulated Mod until you are More Knowledgeable about Batteries, Amp Draw and Building Coils.

But if you just have to start with a Mech, here is some of the Very Basics you Need to Know before you start.

It's way to Long so I'll just Quote it from another "Best Battery" thread...

Time Out a second.

If you are going to use a Mech Mod, the First Thing you have to be able to do is to Calculate the Battery Amp Draw for any given build.

So How Many Amps is a Single 18650 Battery going to have to supply if you have a 0.1 Ohm Build on a Single Battery Mech?

For a Single Battery Mech: Max Battery Voltage / Build Resistance = Battery Amp Draw

Using 4.2 Volts to allow for a Small Safety Factor...

=> 4.2 / 0.1 = 42 Amps

OK, now lets look for an 18650 Battery that has a Verified 42 Amp Constant Discharge Rating (CDR).

Guess What? There is No 18650 Battery that has that type of CDR. So that build Can't be used on your Single Battery Mech Mod. It's just Too Low of a Resistance.

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A Better Approach when using a Mech would be instead of trying to Match the Battery to the Build is to match the Build to the Battery.

Say you have a New 20 Amp CDR Battery that is good Condition.

Since Voltage / Resistance = Amps. Then thru the Glory of Algebra we know that Voltage / Amps = Resistance

So plug in what you know and you get...

4.2 Volts / 20 Amps = 0.21 Ohms

So there you go. The Lowest Resistance that can be used for that New 20 Amp CDR Battery is 0.21 Ohms.

It would be Nice (and Suggested) if you would use in a little Larger Safety Factor by using something more like a 0.25 Ohms. But at least now you Know what the Lowest Build you should be using for that 20A Battery.

So now take a Sharpie Marker and write "0.21 Ohms or Higher" on your Battery. Then put a piece of Clear Scotch Tape over it.

And if you Do a 0.21 Ohm Build with your Mech and that Battery, and it Doesn't Get you where you Want to be, then put your Mech in the back of your Vape Drawer.

And start Shopping for a Regulated Mod.

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Thank you both of you aswell. I already started watching and reading articles about battery safety and ohm's law etc. I never expected that it will be that complicated. I guess i will wait some days for learning all these than i will give it a try.

It really isn't Overly Complicated. In fact, it is Really Pretty Simple.

Its just when you are New, and maybe not Fully Understanding all the things that go into it, and All the Terms that are used, that it can seem Complex.

I used Mech Mods for a Long Time. But I did so after I had a Good Understanding of How to Build Coils. And what a given Coil Build would demand from a Battery Amp-wise.

In all Honesty, for someone New, you are most likely going to Enjoy a Regulated Mod Much More than a Mech Mod until you have Refined your Coil Building Skills.

Because on a Mech, you Adjust the hit you get by Adjusting the Build you put on the Mech. Verses just pushing the Up/Down Wattage Buttons on a Regulated Mod.
 

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It really isn't Overly Complicated. In fact, it is Really Pretty Simple.
Juggling with 3 knives is pretty simple as well, you just can't let your attention slip ;)
Like with the knife juggling, mech vaping isn't about the ease of execution, it's about how much impact a small error can have and if you trust yourself to handle that perfectly, all the time no exceptions.
SONY VTC5A 18650 3.7V 2600mAh it is a 3.7v/25A it can be used only at 0,14 ohms?
Hell no! Firstly that would draw more than 25A from the battery (which already isn't recommended, like at all) and then I suspect you calculated with 3.7V. We calculate with 4.2V to have some headroom and not operate at the max CDR.
0.17Ω would be the absolute minimum you should build with a single VTC5A and you don't have to go that low, in fact I'd recommend you build 0.3Ω-0.6Ω coils until you're completely familiarized with the process on a mech.
ow can i see what my build can produce? I need to manage it with some kind of device Ohmmeter?
Yes, you need some kind of meter, that can be a regulated mod (test your atomizer on that mod first), a multimeter (V,A and Ω, preferably not one of those $10 ones you find in a corn flakes box) or what they call a "tab" (a meter specifically for vaping, it has a 510 connector for your atomizer and can measure resistance).
 

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@zoiDman I just finished reading the quote you posted. So if i choose this battery, SONY VTC5A 18650 3.7V 2600mAh it is a 3.7v/25A it can be used only at 0,14 ohms? How can i see what my build can produce? I need to manage it with some kind of device Ohmmeter?

To find the Minimum Ohms for a Given Battery, you need to consider the Maximum Voltage that the Battery can Output. And for 18650 Batteries, the Maximum Voltage with a Full Charge is 4.2 Volts. 3.7v is the "Nominal Voltage".

So the Calculation becomes... 4.2V / 25A = 0.17 Ohms

This is the Absolute Lowest. You should Build Higher, like maybe 0.20 Ohms +, to take into account things like Measuring Error and or Battery Wear.

And Yes... You HAVE to have a way to Accurately Measure the Ohms of a given Build before you put the Build on a Mech Mod.

Now if you started with a Decent Regulated Mod, you would have a Pretty Accurate way to measure Ohms. Because that is what a Regulated Mod does to Calculate what Voltage to Output for a given Wattage the user wants.
 

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You really will be much better off to buy an inexpensive regulated power device to vape with while you gather the experience & knowledge necessary to use a mechanical safely.

This way you can safely vape as soon as you get a power device & batteries for it, maybe a charger too if you don't already own a decent charger.

Mechanicals just aren't a good or safe way to start off vaping unless you already have a firm understanding of basic battery selection & safety, a good working knowledge of ohms law, experience with use of rebuildable atomizers, wire type & gauges, coil building,,, the list goes on...

Using regulated power device is simple & safe, fill tank, set watts, press button, inhale vapor..
 

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@zoiDman I just finished reading the quote you posted. So if i choose this battery, SONY VTC5A 18650 3.7V 2600mAh it is a 3.7v/25A it can be used only at 0,14 ohms? How can i see what my build can produce? I need to manage it with some kind of device Ohmmeter?
You'll need an ohm meter or some other device to measure your coil's resistance in ohms. Never fire a coil on a mech mod without first measuring its resistance. Then you have to know if that coil will draw more amps than the battery has to give. If it doesn't, you shouldn't use it.

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There are online coil wrapping calculators and online ohm's law calculators which simplify things. Please read Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations for a Mechanical Mod which explains everything in detail.
 
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I'm not the best with mechanical mods, building even or batteries, and I am really glad that you are reading all the provided materials, but can I make a plea at perhaps starting with a regulated mod, also? Even if you use it to jump right to RDAs and dipping, a big part of DOING anything involves LEARNING to do it not just mentally, but as far as body mechanics, muscle memory and all that.

It's not a question of will you get it all right for that very first inhale? You might, or you might not. The problem is more one of experience. Almost anyone can be taught to juggle with enough time patience and practice. Once you start juggling knives though the procedure is almost IDENTICAL but the consequences are FAR worse, so by the time you hit mech building or knife juggling, most experienced users have developed the muscular knowledge of when something is/has gone wrong with their juggle, and avoid the misplaced knife/toss the mod from their person, etc. Most people who build and install coils over time start to be able to TELL more rapidly if something is off with their build, or if something isn't "vaping right" even without the various indications that will confirm their suspicions, for example if a leg has come loose from the build, AND THEN confirm their suspicions by checking their regulated mod afterwards for the error code.

Something as simple as either removing the battery/turning off the mod/etc is a LEARNED habit.

There is a big difference between understanding it and executing it. It's great to "understand" your mech mod, in fact it's really a prerequisite to vaping it.

It is only ONE HALF of the prerequisite because you HAVE to train your mind and body into safe habits, and the consequences for failing ONE required habit can be SO much more dire with a mech mod than a regulated mod, that you would really do yourself a favor by starting regulated and well, learning.

Many folks on here who are your largest knowledge base/source of information may not even VAPE mechs the majority of the time. There is nothing wrong with regulated vaping, and we no longer live in a time where the "best" vape is always a mechanical to begin with, but then you get the oh, legendary days of mech vaping and how it is the best and etc and it can be easy for new vapers to a) buy that b) believe it and c) sort of think well, "this is real vaping."

A few things to keep in mind-- power and resistance and batteries with mechs early on are FAR less powerful and perhaps catastrophic than they are today, although I don't believe they were ever TOTALLY safe.

Also, your mech mod will be there. You CAN absolutely vape it. You'll probably decide you may want a regulated mod AS WELL at least for some of the time so why not place your mech safely away and start with a reasonable regulated mod first.

I've vaped a (protected which is not what you have) mech on occasion. I find it enjoyable and pleasant but I am SO GLAD I started in the beginning (drop in coils and a regulated mod power source) and I don't even vape it that much. It's pleasant and fun in a niche kind of way but there is no way it is ever going to exit my house (at least not unless I'm moving and without a battery in it.

Welcome, and seriously, take the time to reconsider.

Anna
 

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Thank you Anna for your caring post! I appreciate it. By the time I must say I rushed it. I just wanted to buy a vaper to blow big clouds and do some O's and I didn't put the time into this to see what is behind the scenes. I thought this vaper what I bought was one of the best cloud maker and maybe so, but I didn't put the time into this to dig myself in in this topic deeper. I will vow what you all said and I will wait with my mech mod and maybe buy a regulated if my wallet allows it. :)
 
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