Battery Musing: Do our batteries need to be "broken in" to see max performance?

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Mooch

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    I see this mentioned quite often, people advising others that for the best performance from their batteries they need to discharge/recharge them a few times first.

    Is this true?

    Only if the battery wasn't correctly "formed" at the factory or if it has been sitting unused for many months.

    I've tested over 150 different batteries (approaching 500 total) that vapers use and the only ones that needed to be cycled a couple of times first were from Chinese battery manufacturers or had been in storage for about a year. None of the batteries from Samsung, Sony, LG, or Panasonic/Sanyo needed this cycling. None of the batteries that use rewrapped Samsung, Sony, LG, or Panasonic/Sanyo cells needed to be cycled first either.

    Less than half a dozen batteries from a couple of Chinese manufacturers needed 2 or 3 moderate cycles to reach what they were capable of doing. I believe this is because they did not undergo the complete "formation process" at the factory. This process charges/discharges each battery a very specific way just after manufacture. It is an initialization process that assures maximum performance from the battery and is used by to weed out underperforming ones.

    Or, it should be used for that. Some of these Chinese battery manufacturers seem to skip some of the formation process. Some of these batteries might have just sat around for a year though. This results in batteries that need to be cycled a couple of times to reach what they are capable of doing.

    Some LiPo pack users often recommend running a couple, if not more, break-in cycles to get the pack up to its max performance level. Whether this is needed or not depends on what LiPo's are used. They shouldn't need breaking in at all.

    If you suspect that your batteries are underperforming, and you know they are genuine, try using them at a moderate level for a couple of cycles. Don't cycle them hard, just something that is about 1/2 their true continuous rating. Hopefully they will respond well and start performing as they should.
     

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    I usually expect more vape time than I get from a battery when it's new. It human nature to expect break in to deliver better performance, but mostly I've been a little disappointed and then fine with continued performance. Recently, I went through a set of VTC4's and HG2's expecting two days of vaping from 3 batts in an RX200S. No dice. They are good for a long day at best.

    This is good information to know. All we can do is pick the ones that perform adequately in your tests and we'll be fine.
     

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    @DaveP and myself have been bouncing this same thing off each other for a while now. I was terribly disappointed with the performance of my Istick 200w and three HG2's at first. I did good to get a solid day. Now that they've cycled, around 8 times, it's not my primary mod, I'm getting three days runtime. This is all 30w and under mainly, I've hit 65w a time or two, but not for long periods.
     
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    @DaveP and myself have been bouncing this same thing off each other for a while now. I was terribly disappointed with the performance of my Istick 200w and three HG2's at first. I did good to get a solid day. Now that they've cycled, around 8 times, it's not my primary mod, I'm getting three days runtime. This is all 30w and under mainly, I've hit 65w a time or two, but not for long periods.

    You're saying you saw a 3x improvement in capacity/run time after running them for about 8 cycles?
     
    Wait, you mean to tell me that there is A battery that is NOT made in China? I don't care where the marketing label co. is based on, it could be me, but where is the battery made in. I think it is all made in China except for some real expensive artistic hand carved wooden mods. Their internals are made in China. The damn things were invented by a Chinese pharmacist if I remember correctly.
     

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    Wait, you mean to tell me that there is A battery that is NOT made in China? I don't care where the marketing label co. is based on, it could be me, but where is the battery made in. I think it is all made in China except for some real expensive artistic hand carved wooden mods. Their internals are made in China. The damn things were invented by a Chinese pharmacist if I remember correctly.

    I'm only talking about the cells themselves, not the tube-shaped vaping devices often called "batteries" because they contain one inside. I'm referring to the individual 18350, 18500, 18650, 26650, flat LiPo, etc., batteries. They're made in the US, China, Phillipines, Taiwan, Indonesia, and elsewhere.
     

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    Yes sir, I am telling you that. I saw a large improvement buy the third cycle, but buy cycle five or six it was largely improved.

    Interesting! I've never seen an improvement beyond about 25% with the Chinese cells and a max of less than 1% with LG cells. Sounds like they were in storage for a very long time indeed!
     

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    Yes sir, I am telling you that. I saw a large improvement buy the third cycle, but buy cycle five or six it was largely improved.
    You're talking about vaping time in days. Are you sure you vaped the exact same amount, in the same way etc? How many days is a very inexact way of comparing vaping time. Ml vaped would've been better.

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    You're talking about vaping time in days. Are you sure you vaped the exact same amount, in the same way etc? How many days is a very inexact way of comparing vaping time. Ml vaped would've been better.

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    It was an average of 5ml per day, I was watching that as well because I honestly thought I'd been sold fakes.
     

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    I've tried to compare battery life many times. Even if you have a puff counter it only counts puffs and doesn't take into account the average puff length (which would be a good comparative value). I can get about a day and a half at 10W on 3 HG2's in my Wismec Relleaux RX200S. I get a little less than that on Sony VTC4's in the RX200S.

    I vape about 9ml to 10ml a day. That's about two Kayfun 2 or KF 3.1 tanks.
     
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