Battery Question and Commentary

[sky4it]

Hopefully Baditude aint on sabbatical.

so I put my 2900 panasonic (the one tutored for the Vamo) and a 2000 imr battery from madvapes in a mechanical mod and put them to work on my Kayfun. And an Aqua. the batteries are 10 Amp max discharge rate I believe. I was not subohming, 1.5 ohms on my Kayfun and 1.3 ohms on my Aqua.They started out powering the devices really good, (and I was vaping heavy) but then its like the power diminished for a short time, then the batteries quit. They flat out quit when they were fully charged. Why? <<<< That is my question/comment. Could not figure that out.

Anyway I charged up a Sony VTc 4 with the higher amp discharge rate and it ran both the Kayfun and Aqua fine. I was wondering Baditude or anyone else, is this because of the lower discharge rate in those batteries could not keep up with the RBA's? the other question I got is this: Those new Sony's VTc4 and VTc5, I understand they are great for mechanical mods, but can you use them in VV mods equally well? Or do these batteries not function as well in lavatubes and vamos? And if not, what is the best high discharge amp battery that you can use in BOTH VV MODS AND MECH MODS? <<<< I wanna settle in on one bat and be done with it. I saw Baditude where you were recommending a Samsung 20 A one?, but I want the 30 amper if it works in both.

Of course the Kayfun LIte plus i was running is a real hot rod tank, larger clouds then all other Kayfuns Ive found its a real steam engine. I did learn one thing, if the battery can not keep up with the liquid, the tank will draw too much fluid into the tank >>>>>> and the tank will gurgle. <<< no biggie, even a tank needs some mouthwash.

You might find this interesting baditude, I have never had a problem--- ever, running any battery on a lavatube where the power was not uniform and perfect. And that includes ultra deluxe cheapo batteries that where throw in's on stuff i bought. And I mean ANY battery. Especially on the lavatube which is my darling baby. Now that I have bought MODS, I kind of get it but I kind of dont. Its like driving a car with no instrument panels. >>>> I mean why drive a MOdel T, when you can drive a Cadillac? True they LOOK better, and for subohming, but otherwise,,,,,, I dunnnoooooo????

the part I get about mods is this, they are snazzy looking. (a good looking Model T) Been there done that too. When I got married one time, I picked the one that looked good too and didnt function so well. <<<< this has not work out so well. And the other reason you gots to have 10 mods to be a playaaaa. Someday Im gonna be.

 

[anumber1]

I don't understand what you mean by "quit when fully charged"?
If the batteries did not last as long as expected before they were discharged to the Vamo's low voltage cutoff of 3.2v or the batteries were still at 4.2v and not functioning in your mod?

 

[anumber1]

The Sony VTC# batteries will work just fine in a regulated mod.

 

[sky4it]

I don't understand what you mean by "quit when fully charged"?
If the batteries did not last as long as expected before they were discharged to the Vamo's low voltage cutoff of 3.2v or the batteries were still at 4.2v and not functioning in your mod?

to clarify: My comment: "in a mechanical mod" <<<< they quit working in a mech mod, but were not discharged. <<< I presume because these are protected and just shut off because they were overrun. <<<< Fully charged right off a charger.

Your post 2,,,, thanks if those VTC Sony's are fine in regulated mods, ie (lavatube, vamos) <<<< that would be the one for me then. See yah all thursday

 

[Baditude]

Hopefully Baditude aint on sabbatical.

so I put my 2900 panasonic (the one tutored for the Vamo) and a 2000 imr battery from madvapes in a mechanical mod and put them to work on my Kayfun. And an Aqua. the batteries are 10 Amp max discharge rate I believe. I was not subohming, 1.5 ohms on my Kayfun and 1.3 ohms on my Aqua.They started out powering the devices really good, (and I was vaping heavy) but then its like the power diminished for a short time, then the batteries quit. They flat out quit when they were fully charged. Why? <<<< That is my question/comment. Could not figure that out.

That's a lot of questions. Let me break them down individually.

OK, you didn't say how long the batteries actually lasted with the rebuildables, but you seemed to indicate you were vaping pretty heavily for a period of time. I've found that any rebuildable drains batteries faster than a factory-made coil (cartos or clearos). It doesn't seem matter what the resistance of the rebuildable coils are, they just drain a battery faster. Subohm coils drain even more faster. Reuildables just drain a battery more. Expect about half the normally expected time of use.

A fair portion of those 2900 mahs of the Panasonic will never be seen in use. The way battery capacity specifications are figured doesn't take into account where our voltage cutoff is in a high-drain mod, its figured for low drain applications like flashlights. I can't speak for the 2000mah Mad Vapes battery as it likely is a rebranded generic battery of unknown quality by an unknown manufacturer. It could be a rebranded battery harvested from an old computer, or a rejected battery from one of the top manufacturers. This is why I recommend spending your money on well-recognized name-brand batteries like AW, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung, etc. -- you'll be more likely to get a high quality battery. - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

Anyway I charged up a Sony VTc 4 with the higher amp discharge rate and it ran both the Kayfun and Aqua fine. I was wondering Baditude or anyone else, is this because of the lower discharge rate in those batteries could not keep up with the RBA's? the other question I got is this: Those new Sony's VTc4 and VTc5, I understand they are great for mechanical mods, but can you use them in VV mods equally well? Or do these batteries not function as well in lavatubes and vamos? And if not, what is the best high discharge amp battery that you can use in BOTH VV MODS AND MECH MODS? <<<< I wanna settle in on one bat and be done with it. I saw Baditude where you were recommending a Samsung 20 A one?, but I want the 30 amper if it works in both.

A higher amp battery has more burst power in reserve (higher discharge rate) than a lower amp battery. They will last longer than a lower amp battery under heavy use.

A higher amp battery like the Sony's can be used in both mechanical and regulated mods. With the Sony VTC5 you get both high mah (2600) and high amps (30) - probably the best all-around general purpose battery on the market.

You might find this interesting baditude, I have never had a problem--- ever, running any battery on a lavatube where the power was not uniform and perfect. And that includes ultra deluxe cheapo batteries that where throw in's on stuff i bought. And I mean ANY battery. Especially on the lavatube which is my darling baby. Now that I have bought MODS, I kind of get it but I kind of dont. Its like driving a car with no instrument panels. >>>> I mean why drive a MOdel T, when you can drive a Cadillac? True they LOOK better, and for subohming, but otherwise,,,,,, I dunnnoooooo????

Not surprising. With a regulated mod the circuit board will regulate the power output to be consistant to what you set it to be. You'll not notice much variation from a fully charged battery until the circuit board decides the battery is to low on a charge and then stop working before the battery becomes over-discharged.

This is not the case with a mechanical mod (unless you use a Kick). You'll get the best performance with a freshly charged battery, and then its all downhill thereafter. The battery voltage drops during use, and the vapor production drops along with it. You could reasonably over-discharge a battery in a mechanical mod because there is no protective circuit board to prevent you from over-draining the battery. An over-drained battery might be a lost cause and need to be discarded.