Battery + tank for MTL, with the possibility of upgrading in the future

[Daniel8813]

Hi all,

I'm a former smoker, and I've been vaping for some months now with the AIO ego from joyetech, and lately the K1000 plus epipe from kamry.

I want to experiment with different tanks, so I'm getting a knight mod clone (I'm not allowed to link yet (forum rules)), which allows different tanks and batteries.

My vaping experience so far has only been with sub ohm (around 0.5), and i MTL. I've read a lot of people prefering MTL with supra ohm, so I want to try that, but still have the possibility of going back to sub ohm, which I know for sure I enjoy.

The problem is then; can I just get batteries that are suitable for sub ohm and still use them with supra ohm, or do I need different batteries for different tanks? At the moment I want to buy the Aspire ICR 18650 2500mah (40A output) - will that be useful for both supra- and sub ohm tanks?

My question can also be summed up to: Does batteries adjust to the need of the atomizer, or do they deliver an absolute amount of W?

BR,
Daniel

 

[Cheallaigh]

first, this site will be your friend
Coil wrapping
second, a lot of the tanks come with both supra and sub ohm coils... how far up the scale are you talking?

 

[Daniel8813]

Thanks for the site. By the way, it's a mechanical mod I'm going for.

I wanted to try a better tank then my current, which is .5 ohm. Then, I'll also like something like 1.5, as a lot of MTL vapers seem to like that

 

[Cheallaigh]

it has multiple tabs to help you figure things out, battery drain etc... since I'm not a 100% certain about your mod, I know mine can go to 3.0.

 

[Daniel8813]

I'm not sure I'm following.

The mod (knight mod clone) is just a 'tube' with a firring button for a battery and a tank. Thus, it isn't really the mod/tube that decide what it can handle, but rather the battery I use, or have I misunderstood something?

In other words, can I get like a Aspire ICR 18650 2500mah for the mod, and be able to use it with different ranges of ohms, or do I need specific batteries for specific tanks? This question also goes with the 'ICR', high drain, and so forth..

 

[sawlight]

it has multiple tabs to help you figure things out, battery drain etc... since I'm not a 100% certain about your mod, I know mine can go to 3.0.

He's using a mech mod.

I'm not sure I'm following.

The mod (knight mod clone) is just a 'tube' with a firring button for a battery and a tank. Thus, it isn't really the mod/tube that decide what it can handle, but rather the battery I use, or have I misunderstood something?

In other words, can I get like a Aspire ICR 18650 2500mah for the mod, and be able to use it with different ranges of ohms, or do I need specific batteries for specific tanks? This question also goes with the 'ICR', high drain, and so forth..

Forget all about the Aspire batteries, re-wrapped and over rated! Dangerously over rated!
Around .5 ohm, Sony VCT5/6, LG HG2's, Samsung 30Q's from a reputable seller!
The best way to go about what you are wanting to do is figure out how low you want to go, figure out the amp draw that requires and buy a battery with a CDR (continuous discharge rate) that exceeds that some. A REAL CDR, not over rated figures! Then you will be safe with high and low ohm builds.
The only advantage to buying batteries for specific builds is runtime, say a 15amp battery with 3500mah for supra builds and a 35amp battery with 1500mah for sub ohm builds.
The problem is there is NO BATTERY that offers 35amps and 3000mah at this time!
So figure out how low you want to go, buy a battery, with a real rating, that meets that need and it will be fine on the higher ohm builds as well.
That help?

 

[mcclintock]

My question can also be summed up to: Does batteries adjust to the need of the atomizer, or do they deliver an absolute amount of W?

BR,
Daniel

If you don't understand this, you should not be getting a mechanical mod. This is what the great "Ohm's Law" is about and the situation you need to know something about it. Read more than just this!

What resistance, in units of ohms, can tell you is how much power is flowing. The mech mod is going to be trying to put out a constant voltage (for the moment) and that converts to power according to resistance (P=V^2/R). Since the battery isn't actually completely constant and resistance (through an ohmmeter, seperate) easily measured, vapers used to compare power by talking Ohms. Nowadays, it is more that incidence of mech history that there is a particularly close relation much of the time between resistance and power. Vapers talk about power first and resistance second (if they should at all). But yes, the atomizers if built to accommodate a mech will draw power according to their needs.

The usual method with a mech is to choose your wire according to how much power you need, a fat one is both big and low resistance. If it turned out too hot, you tried again with one more wrap on the coil to get a bit higher resistance, etc.

 

[Daniel8813]

#sawlight

Yes, that helped a lot. Thanks!

In short, I was a bit worried that a high CDR could be damaging for coils that require less. However, as I understand it now, the battery only delivers the amps, which the coil need.

 

[sawlight]

#sawlight

Yes, that helped a lot. Thanks!

In short, I was a bit worried that a high CDR could be damaging for coils that require less. However, as I understand it now, the battery only delivers the amps, which the coil need.

There's more to it than that.
The battery does deliver the amperage, but also stores the load it can deliver (the mah). The higher the mah, milliampere hour, the longer it can hold its voltage. The higher the voltage, the better the vape.
Theses batteries start at 4.2v then settle in at 3.7v. Average rule of thumb, at 1ohm you get 1 hour of runtime per 100mah. This changes drastically as you go lower in ohms!
Everything with a mech is about compromise, long runtime, high mah battery with Supra ohm builds. Sub ohm, high amp battery with short run times.
As stated above, you really do need to have a better understanding of ohms law and battery safety.
Hopefully @BrotherBob will be along shortly with his VERY useful list of links! READ THEM! Then come back and ask questions about what you don't understand, please!

 

[Daniel8813]

#mcclintock

Thanks for the info! I didn't even think about wires as I thought they would be pre-installed and use an universal ohm standard that all vape battery manufactures took as a premise, so the amps would always discharge roughly the same

 

[sofarsogood]

#mcclintock

Thanks for the info! I didn't even think about wires as I thought they would be pre-installed and use an universal ohm standard that all vape battery manufactures took as a premise, so the amps would always discharge roughly the same

It's too easy to make unobvious mistakes with mech mods that cause injury. Based on wha you are saying may be you need to know more and have more experience vaping lower risk devices. Watch some videos on youtube with searches like "exploding mod" or "18650 venting". One way to empty a room is overheat a lithium ion battery.

 

[Daniel8813]

#sawlight

Alright, I definitely have a lot of blanks about electro physics. Didn't even realize there was so much regarding mech mods. I only piced the knight mod because I love the design. However, it sounds interesting, and I'll be sure to read up on it, and geek around with it.

 

[Daniel8813]

#sofarsogood

Just checked it out, and I was totally unaware of how dangerous it can be. I havn't bought it yet, so I think I'll do some reading on the subject before I commit to it. Althought, I think it sounds interesting, and I like the mechanical aspect of it, instead of being auto.
I hope @BrotherBob drop some links, and then I can get back to you, and take a decision after that

 

[sawlight]

#sawlight

Alright, I definitely have a lot of blanks about electro physics. Didn't even realize there was so much regarding mech mods. I only piced the knight mod because I love the design. However, it sounds interesting, and I'll be sure to read up on it, and geek around with it.

I love my mechs and that's what I started out with, way back when. But I hardly use the anymore, the new mods do so much more, and safely!
I'm not trying to scare you away from them, but there is a lot you need to know and understand to use one safely! A regulated mod has cya out the whazoo, a mech, the only thing keeping you safe is the gray matter between your ears!

 

[BrotherBob]

My question can also be summed up to: Does batteries adjust to the need of the atomizer, or do they deliver an absolute amount of W?

Welcome and glad you joined.
Might like to read:
18650 Battery Buying Guide for Vapor Users – Wake and Vape Blog
(9) Battery Basics for Mods; the Ultimate Battery Guide | E-Cigarette Forum
(12) Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries - Part I | E-Cigarette Forum
Battery Safety: Will You Marry Me? - Mt Baker Vapor

 

[sawlight]

Welcome and glad you joined.
Might like to read:
18650 Battery Buying Guide for Vapor Users – Wake and Vape Blog
(9) Battery Basics for Mods; the Ultimate Battery Guide | E-Cigarette Forum
(12) Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries - Part I | E-Cigarette Forum
Battery Safety: Will You Marry Me? - Mt Baker Vapor

Thank you!

 

[Cheallaigh]

I know he said mech, and like I said I don't know... I like the nice safe not as likely to blow up or vent in my face regulated... best I could offer was steam, since that would help with the coil building. I looked at mechs and said.. yeah nope!