battery type? 18650

[inkb0n3s]

hey guys,

another battery question. i'm looking for AW IMR 18650 2000mah batteries. i've found a few sources, and they seem to be reputable.

i'm wondering how the battery TYPE or CHEMICAL MAKEUP will affect performance?

li-ion from provape does not explicitly state that it is li-ion... i've inferred here. aw imr

li-ion from electronicstix aw imr

li-mn from altsmoke aw imr (picture shows 1600mah... should i be worried about a scam from here?)

li-mn from volcano aw imr

li-min from madvapes imr

also, what is the difference between flat top and button top?

thanks everyone!

 

[Schwiggiddy]

also, what is the difference between flat top and button top?

thanks everyone!

I can answer that. A button top has a small nipple or button on the positive, this makes a contact with a recessed place on your mod. A flat top is just flat on both ends, but still has a positive and negative end. Most mods that you buy will say whether they require flat top or button top. If you are building your own then idk.

As far as the rest, most of those are probably safe to buy from. I personally won't buy from Volcano, but that's up to you. Altsmoke is pretty big I don't think they would try to scam anyone. Send them an email if you have questions probably.

 

[patrao_n]

Just so you know there are 1600 mah versions and 2000 mah versions of the 18650 aw imr. The 1600 mah has a higher continuous amp discharge rating. For authentic from a reputable dealer I suggest rtd vapor and illumination supply. I am sure there are others. But those are the ones I know for sure. Depending on your mod you might be able to use only button tops or only flat tops. Most mods out there do accept both. Please note aw doesn't make a flat top 18650 imr. So if you see one its a fake.

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[Thrasher]

the chemical composition will effect things like the discharge curve, internal voltage drop of the battery and the Mah rating as well as the overall safety of the battery (venting hot gas VS venting flames)

with ICR (cobalt) having the least stable matrix with regards to over heating and actually catching on fire as well as a generally lower amp discharge (usually in the 5 amp or less range)

several companies now mix what are known as hybrid chemistry batteries IMR, NCR, etc. this blending process has substantially increased the power output, Mah ratings and stability of the high drain batteries we use. as part of the overall design in a high drain battery, safety features have also been added to allow safe venting of hot gas if they do collapse.

No matter the overall mix the high drain batteries are all Li ion class, we have just moved on from using straight Li blends.

im a mechanical with a 5 amp or higher load the 1600 will actually out perform the 2000 when comparing the discharge curve and voltage drop of the battery.

 

[Imperialbeachboy]

What device are you going to be using them in?

 

[inkb0n3s]

wow! okay, this is all super great, guys.

yeah i just read a bit more and now i feel a little stupid: aw is a brand. so. :s gotcha lol.

thanks for the heads up thrasher! i think... i think i might go with the 1600mah version... reason being i don't honestly imagine myself going through a whole battery charge a day - plus, when i get into microcoils and sub-ohm-ing (which is what would make a draw over 5 amps, right?) i'll have a good performance battery... where/how did you find this out?

 

[inkb0n3s]

imperialbeachboy-i will be using these batteries in a nemesis clone and a vamo v5. i don't thik i'll have any problems with the vamo, though. the rda i'll be using is the igo-w and possibly either a patriot clone or a kayfun clone.

 

[*deleon517*]

inkb0n3s I would highly recommend the 1600 mah over the 2000mah. the 1600 mah has a higher amp limit of 24 amps and can handle a ohm as low as .2ohm's. as where the 2000 mah has a amp limit of 10 amps and can handle a ohm as low as .5ohm's. Higher amp load is always a better thing with mechanicals and rba's/rda's. yes they will last slightly less time on a vv/vw device like a vamo but by much when pushing into the higher voltage range.

 

[Baditude]

BATTERY BASICS FOR MODS: IMR OR PROTECTED ICR?

DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF MOD BATTERIES


Li-ion Battery Chemistry Types:

• ICR - cobalt based li-ion batteries; volatile (flamable) in nature requiring built-in protective circuits to even be considered safe to use. Noted for high mAh ratings for longer use between charges. Once recommended, but safer chemistry batteries are now a better alternative.

• IMR - manganese based li-ion batteries; safer chemistry not requiring protective circuits and a safer alternative to ICR batteries; also known as un-protected and "high drain" batteries. Best suited for regulated VV/VW mods, mechanical mods using a Kick, and RBA/RDA's.

• Hybrid - cobalt, manganese and nickle based li-ion batteries combining the best properties of the above two batteries. Best suited for applications that require both longer battery time as well as high drain capabilities.

 

[inkb0n3s]

i was actually just over there xD and also your blog post have been most helpful and informative baditude!

edit: feeling a little stupid for starting this thread and WHILE digging. d'oh.

 

[Imperialbeachboy]

Don't feel stupid. This is how you learn. You might not figure everything out by doing your own research. It's always good to hear from other people who have gone through exactly what your going through right now. Sony has a 30a battery that is good for using in mechanical mods.

 

[mehmeh]

Hi newbie here.
While sourcing around for my first vape, I'm wondering if I'm able to use the vapes with my flashlight's 18650 batteries?
Since I've already have tons of them and multiple chargers for 18650, such as the examples below.

UltraFire Rechargeable 3.7V "3200mAh" 18650 Li-ion Batteries
UltraFire LC 18650 Li-ion Batteries Rechargeable 3.7V "3200mAh" (Pair) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

TrustFire Protected 18650 Lithium Battery (2300mAh)
Cheap TrustFire Protected 18650 Lithium Battery (2500mAh 2-Pack Blue)

 

[6spdtls]

I would stay away from trust fire or ultra fire.....Local employee(he seemed very knowledgeable on batteries) from battery plus told me not to trust those brands and I'm gonna take a word for it. By adding dollar or two, you can get much better brands with secure safety features

 

[Rickajho]

Hi newbie here.
While sourcing around for my first vape, I'm wondering if I'm able to use the vapes with my flashlight's 18650 batteries?
Since I've already have tons of them and multiple chargers for 18650, such as the examples below.

UltraFire Rechargeable 3.7V "3200mAh" 18650 Li-ion Batteries
UltraFire LC 18650 Li-ion Batteries Rechargeable 3.7V "3200mAh" (Pair) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

TrustFire Protected 18650 Lithium Battery (2300mAh)
Cheap TrustFire Protected 18650 Lithium Battery (2500mAh 2-Pack Blue)

No and no. They are not high drain batteries and would only be "safe" in APV's with their own built-in amp limits and short circuit protection. And several of those APV's won't work with protected batteries at all. Even then (blank)Fire batteries, especially coming from a place like DealExtreme, are not known for consistent quality control. At all.

Vaping and flashlights are two very different things, placing very different stress levels on batteries and very different amp draws. For the relatively low cost of the batteries involved get something that is meant for vaping and is safe.

 

[Tealady12]

Where is a good place online to buy batteries? Also I have been trying to figure out if I need protected or unprotected, the more I read to try to figure it out the more confused I am getting. I have a Vamo V5 coming and need to get batteries and a charger and I am totally lost…..help

 

[*deleon517*]

rtdvapor is my go too but I just ordered some of the new purple efest 30 amps from lnhvapes. Cant wait to test them out.

 

[mehmeh]

No and no. They are not high drain batteries and would only be "safe" in APV's with their own built-in amp limits and short circuit protection. And several of those APV's won't work with protected batteries at all. Even then (blank)Fire batteries, especially coming from a place like DealExtreme, are not known for consistent quality control. At all.

Vaping and flashlights are two very different things, placing very different stress levels on batteries and very different amp draws. For the relatively low cost of the batteries involved get something that is meant for vaping and is safe.

Will keep that in mind.. I've actually ripped out some laptop batteries that are 18650 too. But since the condition of the batteries are unknown, I'll probably keep them for flashlight purposes.

 

[DanCullen]

Fom what I understand straight Li-Ion batteries for E-Cgs should be of the safe variety, i.e. they should have a protection circuit built into them. The AW IMR batteries that you linked to appear to be of the Li-Mn variety which are considered a "safe mix" (a lithium and magnesium mix) and require no safety circuit in the battery. I read somewhere that the AW IMR batteries are one of the most dependable on the market. I have been using the Efest 18650s flat top 2000mah without incident and they are a little less expensive (I bought them outf convience not cost). Th difference between flat top and button top are just what it sounds like - the button top has a little button in the center of the positive end - depends on your mod which you need, mine will take either.

Although I haven't used any of the vendors you have linked they all appear to be ligitimate stores that I had either visited or had heard about. Specifically about "Altsmoke" I would be surprised if they were scamming you. It is not uncommon for images on any website incorrect or generic - always buy not the picture but what the text says, and if you have a question call customer service before buying.

 

[inkb0n3s]

sweet, thanks guys! i found out that electronicstix has a sale on the flat top efest 18650's (1600mAh), but i ended up getting some of the 2000 mah ones from amazon out of convenience and cost. i'll probably get the 1600's later on, if i desire them.

 

[kato1234]

Every time I think I have a handle on batteries I find more information and have to start over. So I have a question for the knowledgable out there. Here is my set up SVD (just bought first mod) probably 1.6 to 2.2 clearos no subs or mechs. Price is unimportant as from the cheapest to the most expensive a few batteries a year won't break me. What would you buy? Right now I am thinking the 1600 AW IMR as opposed to the 2000. Would one of the hybrids be better or should I just go with the AW's. Just looking for something low hassle dependable with a good life.

Thanks Kato

PS using and Ultrafire WF-188