BBC video on how SAFE E-Cigarettes are!!!

[TamiP]

Excellent video (don't know if this will work to post it though) Bear with me as I keep trying to get this to show up

BEST I can do is post the facebook link

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152015501232217

Found it on YouTube

 

[Susan~S]

Thank you for posting this.

I wonder what the "4" was picking up. The nurse did say the "4" reading was the same reading they got when "Ian" inhaled nothing (just air).

 

[TamiP]

Yeah, I doubt the idea of "clean" air is really pure and clean. I mean look at all the crap around us, car exhaust, factories and even perfumes etc. There's going to be something in the air no matter what.

 

[artt]

Thanks for posting. Lets hope the "powers that be" stumble into this revelation.

 

[bluecat]

Thanks for posting. Lets hope the "powers that be" stumble into this revelation.

Umm we got a bunch of old geyser that have been in office for 20+ years. Even if a freight train hits them, they will do whatever the higher ups say. How does an IRS agents (Director of Exempt Organization) hard drive crash and there are no backups? Instead of a hundred million on furniture maybe they should have bought a month sub to Rackspace.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

I've always argued that from an apolitical, pragmatic standpoint polities should be holding vape workshops and distributing starter kits to smokers rather than enacting regulations. In terms of basic economic efficiency, vaping is a win/win/win in terms of ending the economic drag associated with smoking and related health care costs and stimulating small businesses on the local level.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

Anyone have a link to the full video?

 

[The Ministry]

Moved to Media and General News

 

[Anjaffm]

Here is an excellent interview with Professor Hakek on e-cigarettes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b_4wxhT_5o

And as to the much touted "clean air":

Yeah, I doubt the idea of "clean" air is really pure and clean. I mean look at all the crap around us, car exhaust, factories and even perfumes etc. There's going to be something in the air no matter what.

Hm... have those people who love to yell about their alleged "right to breathe clean air" read this?
World Health Organization: Outdoor Air Pollution Causes Cancer

 

[DoubleEwe]

I've always argued that from an apolitical, pragmatic standpoint polities should be holding vape workshops and distributing starter kits to smokers rather than enacting regulations. In terms of basic economic efficiency, vaping is a win/win/win in terms of ending the economic drag associated with smoking and related health care costs and stimulating small businesses on the local level.

This is slightly truer for here in the UK with our NHS (National Health Service) which is free, but surely over there in the US where you have to pay for healthcare it doesn't work out.
There is also the matter of the revenue from taxes relating to tobacco products, which in both countries is a considerable boost to the government funds.

Obviously I am pro vaping, but I can see that the governments are going to need to find some way to make up for the lost income if every smoker moves to vaping.

 

[Tache]

Thank you for posting this.

I wonder what the "4" was picking up. The nurse did say the "4" reading was the same reading they got when "Ian" inhaled nothing (just air).

That instrument is meant to measure the amount (percentage) of carbon monoxide (CO) in your blood gasses. You take a deep "cleansing breath", exhale completely, take a second very deep breath and hold it for a number of seconds then blow into the device for as long and as hard as you can. CO is a normal product of respiration so the reading would never be zero.

As there is no combustion involved in vaping we aren't taking in all the extra CO that we did when we smoked. Where I work we do this voluntary "healthy workplace" event every year where they take your blood pressure, calculate your BMI, do a non-fasting blood cholesterol test - and if you wish, for smokers test your CO%. As a 2PAD, 40 year smoker, when I blew that exact same test over a year ago my CO% reading was 44 or 45%. When I did it again after about 9 months of vaping exclusively (I was an "accidental quitter" btw) the reading was 2%.

 

[TamiP]

That instrument is meant to measure the amount (percentage) of carbon dioxide (CO2) in your blood gasses. You take a deep "cleansing breath", exhale completely, take a second very deep breath and hold it for a number of seconds then blow into the device for as long and as hard as you can. CO2 is a normal product of respiration so the reading would never be zero.

As there is no combustion involved in vaping we aren't taking in all the extra CO2 that we did when we smoked. Where I work we do this voluntary "healthy workplace" event every year where they take your blood pressure, calculate your BMI, do a non-fasting blood cholesterol test - and if you wish, for smokers test your CO2%. As a 2PAD, 40 year smoker, when I blew that exact same test over a year ago my CO2% reading was 44 or 45%. When I did it again after about 9 months of vaping exclusively (I was an "accidental quitter" btw) the reading was 2%.

WOW. That's fantastic

 

[Hattivatti]

As far as I know the equipment measures carbon monoxide (CO) level, not carbon dioxide (CO2). Since combustion in cigarettes is not full it results CO's which can be measured from blood and exhaled air.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

This is slightly truer for here in the UK with our NHS (National Health Service) which is free, but surely over there in the US where you have to pay for healthcare it doesn't work out.
There is also the matter of the revenue from taxes relating to tobacco products, which in both countries is a considerable boost to the government funds.

Obviously I am pro vaping, but I can see that the governments are going to need to find some way to make up for the lost income if every smoker moves to vaping.

Don't even get me started on our healthcare non-system here in the U.S.

Expenditures on healthcare account for almost 20% of our GDP, and most of that is end-of-life intervention. If you compare the tax dollars against the costs of tobacco-related illness, it's a no-brainer. It would be a much better investment in the mid to long term to incentivize vaping.

For example, we did this in the late 80s early 90s when public health services distributed condoms for free in response to HIV.

The real problem is that our representatives and therefore our government institutions are in the pockets of big tobacco. There's simply not enough awareness and therefore not enough political will to incentivize congress to say no to the tobacco lobby and its propaganda.

 

[DrMA]

The name is Peter Hajek, and he's one of the most common-sense individuals involved in the tobacco debate.

Peter Hajek
Peter Hajek | Wolfson Institute of Preventive Medicine, University of London | OMICS Group

 

[Tache]

As far as I know the equipment measures carbon monoxide (CO) level, not carbon dioxide (CO2). Since combustion in cigarettes is not full it results CO's which can be measured from blood and exhaled air.

You are absolutely correct - my bad, mixing up CO and CO2.

 

[sebt]

The name is Peter Hajek, and he's one of the most common-sense individuals involved in the tobacco debate.

Peter Hajek
Peter Hajek | Wolfson Institute of Preventive Medicine, University of London | OMICS Group

Yes, I spotted the BBC's careless mis-spelling of his name in the video intro!

If you like this scientist's rational approach to e-cigarettes, there's a full speech he gave at the Global Nicotine Forum in Warsaw here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/583933-prof-peter-hajek-global-nicotine-conference.html

 

[Tache]

There are videos of many of the presenters on the conference website, including Dr.s Polosa and Farsalinos - well worth watching.

http://gfn.net.co/2014-vids

Their powerpoint presentations are all available here:

http://gfn.net.co/2014-presentations

 

[Anjaffm]

Great link, thank you
And sorry about the typo in my posting

 

[DaveP]

The truth is being ignored as ecigs are put on trial by the FDA and the CDC. I will have to give the CDC representative at the recent senate hearing on electronic cigarettes credit for adding the remark that those who are in favor of electronic cigarettes being freely available should make themselves known to their representatives quickly. I took that as his realization that a potentially favorable alternative to tobacco was about to be thrown under the train.

They have to toe the line and repeat the mantra of those in power. It's a witch hunt, IMO.