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Beech Grove adding ecig to definition of smoking.

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capt.n.coke

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Dear [Beech Grove] Council Member:

On behalf of members of the Consumer Advocates for Smokefree Alternatives Association (CASAA) who live, shop, and/or work in the Beech Grove area, we urge you to amend General Ordinance No. 24 to remove “the use of an electronic cigarette” from the definition of “Smoking” (Item K in Section 11901 Definitions.) CASAA is a non-profit organization that works to ensure the availability of reduced harm alternatives to smoking tobacco products and to provide the public with truthful information about such alternatives.

Smoking bans were enacted for the purpose of protecting non-smokers from the potentially harmful effects of second-hand smoke. But e-cigarettes emit NO smoke and pose NO known health risks to users or nonusers. The devices produce a vapor by heating a tiny droplet of liquid.

There are enormous differences between smoke and vapor. Smoke is created by the process of combustion. Setting tobacco on fire creates tar, carbon monoxide, airborne particulates, dozens of carcinogens and thousands of other hazardous chemicals. Inhaling these substances in smoke is the cause of 99% of tobacco-related diseases and deaths.

Vapor from an e-cigarette does not contain any of these substances. Dr. Murray Laugesen of Health New Zealand tested e-cigarette vapor for over 50 cigarette smoke toxicants and found none. [1] Recently German researchers compared smoke from a tobacco cigarette to samples from three electronic cigarettes, looking for release of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) and ultra-fine particles. Of the 20 compounds that were present in smoke, only 6 were present in vapor, at much smaller concentrations. All were well below OSHA Permissible Exposure Limits. [2]

Even the American Cancer Society, the American Lung Association, and the American Heart Association recognize that vapor differs from smoke. Earlier this year, those three organizations agreed to exempt smoke-free e-cigarettes from a smoking ban in Springfield, Missouri. Official Statement - 03.16.12 - FINAL PDF.

While CASAA appreciates the Council’s desire to protect its citizens, banning the use of smoke-free e-cigarettes in public places is not warranted based upon the information currently available. In fact, CASAA believes that banning the use of smoke-free e-cigarettes in public places may actually work against public health.

A survey of over 3,500 e-cigarette consumers, published in the medical journal, Addiction, found that 77% of daily users no longer smoke. [3]

Many e-cigarette users first discover the safer devices when they see them being used where smoking isn't allowed. Directing e-cigarette users—most of whom no longer smoke--into smoking areas may endanger their health. Furthermore, banning indoor use removes an incentive for continuing smokers to switch to an alternative that could significantly reduce their risks of smoking-related diseases. These products could save the lives of many more smokers—provided their use is not discouraged.

CASAA urges you to amend General Ordinance No. 24. Specifically, please remove “the use of an electronic cigarette” from the definition of “Smoking” (Item K in Section 119.01 Definitions.
Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Elaine Keller, President
The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
ekeller@casaa.org
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
(202) 241-9117


References:
1. Laugesen M. Health New Zealand. Poster Presentation at the Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco conference, Dublin, April 30, 2009. http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf
2. Schripp T, Markewitz D, Uhde E, Salthammer T. Does e-cigarette consumption cause passive vaping? Indoor Air. 2012 Jun 2. Does e-cigarette consumption cause passive vaping? [Indoor Air. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI
3. Etter JF, Bullen C. Electronic cigarette: users profile, utilization, satisfaction and perceived efficacy. Addiction, 106: 2017–2028. Electronic cigarette: users profile, utilization, satisfaction and perceived efficacy - Etter - 2011 - Addiction - Wiley Online Library
 
Hey capt-n-coke, nice finally meeting you tonight. I think I completely screwed the point I wanted to get across. Tell me truthfully how bad was it? What did the camera guy say about the piece they were doing? I would really like to get together before the next meeting so you can work with me on getting better at speaking in front of council and getting my point across better. As I know EVERYBODY saw, I was shaking like a leaf, that was the hardest thing for me, but I had to give it a try. Did they set a date for another meeting and if they did when is it? As far as me, I would rather you be painfully honest that way I know how to be more comfortable next time. Thanks and I still owe you a beer!
 

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Will, dude, you did great man trust me. You should see the bloodbath that was the Indy ban. I was shaking like a .... too. The point is that you told a heartfelt story about how vaping has changed your life. Out-of-touch city officials need to here that stuff man, it matters. Thank you for showing up.

Ordinance 24 was defeated 5-2. 7 vapers spoke in favor of an amendment to remove the use of an ecig from the definition of smoking. 3 bar owners basically saved their bars (it's the only thing happening on main street.)

Said amendment was offered and seconded (by a councilwoman who supported the smoking ban no less), but because most of the council could see that the whole thing wasn't going to happen, the amendment didn't get the votes because they "were voting no on the whole thing as it stands now."

There is short audio clip at Beech Grove Ord 24 Chuck and Duane by HoosierVapers on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free or at beechgrove.com.

There is no video as the city hall building was recently hit by lightening.

As Will mentioned the channel 6 guy did tap my shoulder and said, "if the amendment goes through call me." And since it never really happened, well, it's not news. I left him a VM.

Thanks again to Danny (my dad who could never find his way to ECF), Duane, Will, and Ann.

They may not have voted on it but we still won. We changed a bunch of their minds about vaping, and hopefully the room full of smokers will take notice.

-C
 

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There was a corn syrup spill on 465 man. They had better things to attend to...

Seriously though, makes me wonder what the sponsor did to tick off the group that wrote the bill for him/her? We know who is writing these things and cuddling up to the rep's to sponsor them, but they usually bring a cheering section for the readings. Somebody must be stepping outside the proscribed boundries...
 

Kay1959

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There was a corn syrup spill on 465 man. They had better things to attend to...

:lol:
There was just a corn syrup spill right here on my computer, thanks to YOU Hoosier!!:lol:

Seriously, I was just taking a swig of ice tea when I read your response! Spewed tea all over my laptop!
 

mikeproctor

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There was a corn syrup spill on 465 man. They had better things to attend to...

Seriously though, makes me wonder what the sponsor did to tick off the group that wrote the bill for him/her? We know who is writing these things and cuddling up to the rep's to sponsor them, but they usually bring a cheering section for the readings. Somebody must be stepping outside the proscribed boundries...


Maybe it's because it is just "Beech Grove" and not worth the effort or they didn't have the right dates/times???
 
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