Begin the Begin (KR808 vs. 510 vs. eGo)

[saganiuk]

I'm sure there are a million of these threads, but I have a couple of questions and will try to be brief. Please forgive my lack of knowledge. Been smoking for a long time and am looking to try the e-cig route for a while to see how I like it, and how easy it would be to cut the cigarette addiction without having to worry about nicotine, esp. in the short-term.

(1) Think I've decided to start with a 510, then upgrade in the future as desired (realize that a lot of people swear by the eGo.) I've read that 510 parts are often interchangeable and upgradeable, does this refer mainly to various products from different 510 manufacturers, or could some parts be used in the future to build with eGo parts?

(1B) Looking for 510 starter kits in Canada, there are still a lot of companies, models, etc. to sort through. Anyone have any suggestions as to narrow it down a little? Main considerations are cost and quality.

(2) Smoke around 1/2 to 2/3 pack per day, lite cigarettes. I've read that 18mg is around average, not sure if I should select something in that range or a little lower. Also unclear how to determine exactly how much nicotine is involved compared to cigarettes, as I would not want to take in significantly more (or I suppose, less) than I am now.

(3) Still trying to figure out exactly what is going on in Canada right now, I understand it's a bit of a murky mess but if someone has a link to a great summary of the current state of affairs, it would be helpful.

(4) Purchased one of these (link below) at a convenience store as a test starter. Inhale seems very weak (which I gather is an ongoing issue with this style), exhale seems fine. Difficult to find the specs though, I am assuming that this is a KR808-style model containing no nicotine. Can someone confirm this for me?

VaPUR

Thanks in advance!

 

[saganiuk]

Gonna bump this to see if anyone can assist. The information available is a little overwhelming, and I'm trying to work my way through it all. To simplify my questions:

- Figure I'll start out with a 510 starter kit, see how it goes, then try an eGo down the road to compare. Good idea?
- When selecting an 510 starter kit, anything in particular I need to know to narrow it down? (ie. is there a part I definitely should get or don't need, or are they all pretty similar? Also, any particular company or style?)
- The Vapur product linked above. Can I assume this is definitely a KR808-style?

 

[darkhood]

Argh... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/378914-suggestions-newbies.html

 

[darkhood]

sticky it already lol

 

[saganiuk]

Argh... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/378914-suggestions-newbies.html

Read through your thread already. I'm still confused, seems like you're advocating a build-it-yourself eGo kit (correct me if I'm wrong). I am quite clueless at the moment as to what each part is and does, figured I'd get a pre-assembled (cheap) 510 kit to start with while I familiarize myself with the parts, then take your advice to build an eGo a little bit down the road so that I can compare the two. I am also still unclear exactly what is available in Canada.

Are you basically saying, skip the 510?

 

[D4rk50ul]

I don't use this personally but my wife does and she was impossible to make Happy with her PV.

http://www.volcanoecigs.com/electronic-cigarette-starter-kits/inferno-kit.html

It's a great way to start off and is very easy to use, you may want to get a few small bottles of juice from other vendors and 1-2 extra cartomizers for it.

If you smoked lights 12mg should do the trick but you may get one bottle of 16-18mg and one 6-8mg just in case.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

 

[jazdale]

Saga,
I'll try to help you.
I wasn't impressed with the article either. It may be correct, but assumes you know enough to understand it.

510 and 808 are the names for thread connection to the battery. Ego is a 510.

Can't comment on Canada issues, but I know they exist. I believe they do sell no-nicotine ecigs.

The real issue is ... your budget.
You will need to ignore the convenience stores and use the web for your purchases.
Convenience store e-cigs are cheap products sold at premium prices.

The link from darkhood looks like a really good choice. Get a couple juices and have at it.
An ego is also a good choice.
You will get a good idea of what people like on this forum.
The well known names and suppliers that support this page are all good retailers. You don't need to worry about getting hoodwinked. If it costs more, its because it is a better product.
Feel free to consider a purchase and post back what you're thinking of buying. We'll set you straight.

Your initial outlay for 2 batteries and juice for a month will be about $100.
After that, you will be in a position to make better decisions of what you like and dislike about ecigs.
You will incur ongoing costs. Mainly juices. Figure a dollar a day.
Buy samples to minimize cost to determine what you like.
Expect to dislike 20% of what you buy.

Devices do not last forever. Cheaper devices will prove that.
If you buy a quality product (like the inferno), you will enjoy it for at least 3 months.
After that, you will not feel so uninformed and will buy something more specific to what you want.
I say 3 months, not because it breaks or doesn't perform as designed, but because you now know what you want.

Remember, your total outlay will only be the price of a carton or 2 of smokes.

 

[saganiuk]

Thanks a lot jazdale. I got the impression that KR808 (auto) and 510 (manual) are the most popular versions of the mini, whereas an eGo is a step up and the most popular choice of the mid-size, from these links (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...287787-three-main-types-ecig-explanation.html, Best e-cigarette). When you say eGo is a 510, that means it's just a bigger version of the same thing?

I have looked at the Starter Kits listed on several websites, seems like a 510 kit runs around $60, which I'm certainly willing to spend to start out. The eGo kits are more in the $100 range, which is getting a bit pricey but I do have to keep in mind that I'd be saving money on the cost of cigarettes. At the same time, I will definite try to get some kind of sample packages to try several different juices.

That Inferno link looks solid, I will soon try to figure out what is available from Canadian sites to avoid any cross-border hassles, which I understand can be (but not always) an issue if the juice contains nicotine. You can definitely get no-nicotine e-cigs here easily, even at convenience stores, but I will likely have to order online.

If you have a second and don't mind, here's one Canadian site. Which kit would you recommend getting first? My initial plan was to get the 510 first (looks/feels more like a cigarette, simple but with some ability to customize). But if an eGo is simply a better (albeit larger) version of the same thing, maybe I should just start there.

Checkout Redds! The closest thing to an analog cigarette.

Edit: Just realized none of their liquids contain nicotine. I will have to search around some more.

 

[DavidOck]

You may also want to have a look at this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-newbies-quick-primer-form-letter-friend.html

 

[jgilk1]

1. both the 510 and the ego use the same threads (510 its for the most part the industry standard)

The 510 is generally going to give you 180mah as a smoker of undetermined packs of cigarettes a day (i machine rolled and grabbed one when needed but generally more then 2 an hour)

i started off with a super mini that had less then 150mah (vaping Winston flavor) it would last me about 2 hours and be dead (of course right when the nicotine from the previous had worn off) i would then throw it on the charger that could take up to and or past 30 minutes to charge... after about 5 days of attempting to vape it i switched back and forth between it and analog and ultimately switched back to analog for 2 years...

i then got a joyetech ego starter kit with 2 650mah batteries (its about the same if not slightly just a bit more then the 510 kits) and even if i push my vaping up high i can make it through 3/4 a day on 1 battery and have the second one charged and ready to go (they take less then 30 minutes)


3.4.im not in canada and dont know the brand

but here is my input...

 

[dragonbone]

Hi and welcome to the ECF!
As far as the mini range of ecigs is concerned and for a light smoker like yourself, NOTHING beats the new Joytech eRoll!! The 808's and 510's are left far behind lol. Easy to fill, almost nothing to 'learn'. Vapes amazingly well and looks awesome to boot! All you will need beside the kit, is some juice.
HERE is the thread. You can jump right in and ask questions or whatever.

 

[nosaint]

Just my opinion, but I'd go with the bigger battery. I agree with an earlier poster, a 650 mah battery is good for 3/4 to 1 day. I was smoking 12-15 light menthols a day. I like my 1300mah battery, it lasts about 1.5 days, but it's much longer. I use echo/igo 808 threads. I think all the ego's are larger than the 650 echo. More like the 1300 echo. The 510 thread size is more common and there are more accessories available.

I started with a standard 808 cigalike. Swithching batteries 3 times a day and topping off cartomizers got real old real quick. The bigger batteries and clearomizers work well for me. Better flavor as well.

The first day or two of Vaping, I was constantly sucking on my PV. It tapers off after a few days. I agree with an earlier poster that 12 mg should do you, but having the 18 around and the 6 is a good idea. I ordered an 18, 12, and 0 on my first order, all the same flavor. I used the 0 to cut the others as I dropped the Nic. (1 drop of 18 plus 2 drops of 0 = 6mg)

I looked at the eRoll thread, It *seems* that it is a larger package to carry around during the day. I like just dropping my e cig in my shirt pocket and having a spare in my car. I also like being able to order accessories from numerous vendors/manufacturers. Just ornery that way.

Everybody told me to jump straight to a big battery and I ignored them. It took about a month for me to order my first big battery, and then a larger one a week later.

One last thing I forgot, manual vs. auto batteries. I wanted an auto, I just dislike the idea of pushing a button to vape. I think they have just introduced an auto ego, but it may not be in stock until after mid feb. The Echo's are auto batteries, at least the ones I buy.

 

[DavidOck]

Um, 510 is a thread specification, not a battery size. Yes, the most common spec.

You can get cig-a-like batteries in 510 thread that go up to about 350 or so mAh, which will last longer than the usual 180 mAh. Or use a larger format battery in higher mAh for even longer vaping before changing to a fresh battery.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Battery Info: 100 mah= 1 hour normal vaping before needing recharge.
510 is a cig sized PV- anywhere from 180 to 350 mah- 510 threading.
eGo- comes in 650, 900 and 100 mah- fires at 3.4 volts- 510 threading.
Riva/ Kgo- same size as eGo and fires at 3.7 volts. Comes in 650 and 1100 mah- 510 threading.
The most common threading are either 808 or 510 with 510 being the most popular.
The link you gave Checkout Redds! The closest thing to an analog cigarette. overpriced and about 3 months ago someone here bought the Redds Kit against my advice- 2 weeks later he bought the Kit I originally suggested and is very happy.
Re: Customs- they'll allow hardware but sometimes no juice although someone recently received a juice package with a Health Canada letter stating they were not to order anymore juice for 3 months.
Located in Newmarket, Ontario with weekend stalls in Toronto, Brampton, Scarboro, Barrie the #1 Vendor in Canada with the most reasonable prices and quality gear is https://www.canvape.com/default.asp
Register to view juices.

2 eGo-C batteries 650 or 1100mAh- 3.4 volts
2 eGo Vision Stardust 2.1ohm
1 usb charger
1 wall charger
1 Large Black eGo Case
3X10ml bottles of e-liquid!
Black or Stainless batteries your choice!
1100mAh kit add $5
https://www.canvape.com/category-s/1860.htm
If you were to order this last kit you'd need at least 1 atomizer to test new juices.

or

2 - 510 atomizers
2 1100mAh rechargeable batteries in Black or Stainless- 3.7 volts
1 - atomizer cones
1 - USB wall adapter
1 - USB eGo battery charger
1 - Instruction manual
5 - Black flat tip cartridges
https://www.canvape.com/product-p/egor1100.htm
If you were to order this last kit a good idea to order a couple of Mini Vivi Nova Tanks.
Before ordering post your order here so nothing is missed.

 

[Amirite]

Read through your thread already. I'm still confused, seems like you're advocating a build-it-yourself eGo kit (correct me if I'm wrong). I am quite clueless at the moment as to what each part is and does, figured I'd get a pre-assembled (cheap) 510 kit to start with while I familiarize myself with the parts, then take your advice to build an eGo a little bit down the road so that I can compare the two. I am also still unclear exactly what is available in Canada.

Are you basically saying, skip the 510?

As a newb that went through the same thing three weeks ago, I would probably skip the eGo and jump to a VAMO and set it to 3.7V (or 7.8 Watts) and use a tank system with a 1.8 ohm atomizer.

VV650 VAMO V2 (body only) eGo APV - VaporBreak

Lil' Mama 3ml Stainless Steel Cap Tank Kit [LMSSTank Kit] - $33.99 : Big Daddy Vapor

Batteries : AW IMR 18350 3.7V 700mAh X 2

I would say this setup is as simple as an eGo. This chart helped me understand safe vaping limits with a variable voltage device or you can just use the formula. Thanks to the OP.

 

[saganiuk]

Thanks a lot for the help, everyone. It's starting to come into focus a little bit now. Still unclear on clearomizers, tanks, etc. but I think I am going to go with a larger battery + atomizer and try cartridges and later on a drip tip.

The Volcano Inferno looks great (good video on it here: Volcano Inferno Instruction Video - YouTube), but I'm not sure I can get it in Canada or not. I suppose just ordering the unit itself (without any nicotine juice) from the U.S. shouldn't be a problem if I can't find it here.

Couple of other suggestions for starter kits:

- eGo-C Stardust
- eGo-C 2
- eGo Riva
- Joytech eRoll

Can somebody tell me the differences between these items, and how they stack up with each other and the Inferno? Trying to narrow it down before making a final decision, or if somebody has a better suggestion.

 

[saganiuk]

Doesn't look like the Inferno is easily available to Canada. Looks like I'm down to the 3 choices below. Price is about the same, looking for ease of use, compatibility, quality. Is one of these clearly a better option?

- Joyetech eGo-C2 Starter Kit
- eGo-C Stardust Starter Kit
- eGo Vision Stardust & Extreme Vision Starter Kit

All located here.

https://www.canvape.com/category-s/1814.htm

 

[dragonbone]

Doesn't look like the Inferno is easily available to Canada. Looks like I'm down to the 3 choices below. Price is about the same, looking for ease of use, compatibility, quality. Is one of these clearly a better option?

- Joyetech eGo-C2 Starter Kit
- eGo-C Stardust Starter Kit
- eGo Vision Stardust & Extreme Vision Starter Kit

All located here.

https://www.canvape.com/category-s/1814.htm

I think just go with whatever grabs your fancy! This kit will almost certainly NOT be your last and one and only ecig, unless you are in the 1% minority. Most of us have several devices and some of us have huge collections lol. All of those are good. Go with what you like.

P.S. you forgot to mention the eRoll in your list .

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

The Inferno is basically a rebranded eGo. Volcano is buying the units from someone who manufactures the eGo or one of it's clones and is rebranding them.

 

[saganiuk]

I think just go with whatever grabs your fancy! This kit will almost certainly NOT be your last and one and only ecig, unless you are in the 1% minority. Most of us have several devices and some of us have huge collections lol. All of those are good. Go with what you like.

P.S. you forgot to mention the eRoll in your list .

Haha, had to narrow it down somewhere! I definitely have a much better grasp of what's going on now with both the equipment and the juices after spending quite a bit of time researching over the last couple of days. Man, that is a much steeper learning curve at the beginning than I was expecting, but I've got the gist of it now. I'm sure I'll end up trying a number of different devices. Have ordered the eGo Vision Stardust Kit and a cheap Redd KR808 to start off with. Think I'll get a 510 atomizer and carts plus a drip tip next, and then (assuming I'm still on board with this whole concept) will take a long look at the eRoll, and read through that whole thread you linked.

And yeah, realize the Inferno is just a rebranded eGo. That video is nicely put together though, and the Inferno looks great (maybe worth a few extra bucks for the cool look), seemed perfect. I'll be able to test out the stuff I've ordered and compare.

Thanks again for the help.