Berkeley (CA) City Council to consider bill to ban vaping on July 8

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DrMA

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They've got some spelling errors, let me fix that for them:

In the wake of the most significant public health innovation since the discovery of penicillin, a wave of regulatory hysteria and ignorant stupidity has swept throughout the nation. The most alarmist and financially precarious jurisdictions (NYC, LA etc.) have already taken steps to snub out these revolutionary products in an effort to promote Big tobacco interests and preserve their own income streams from TMSA payments and sin taxes. Since no credible scientific evidence can be found to support regulation, taxes, or bans of electronic vaporizers the Berkely City Council recommends claiming it's for the children and advancing implausible hypotheticals such as the gateway effect and advertising intent, as the most efficient and effective alternatives.
 

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Their "rationale" isn't rational:

RATIONALE FOR RECOMMENDATION
The subcommittee has investigated health effects, cessation outcomes, and user
surveys in the published academic literature surrounding the subject. Having done this,
the subcommittee has decided that, while there are no significant detrimental health
effects to date, the unknown long-term outcomes, combined with the fact that the ecigarette
does not constitute a substantially more effective cessation tool than other,
FDA approved mechanisms (gum, patch, etc), that the products should be regulated
more strictly.
Additionally, there are no significant demonstrated second-hand characteristics of
electronic cigarettes, but the subcommittee recommends against use in public spaces
and occupational areas because this may serve to increase visibility of smoking habits,
making e-cigarettes a potential gateway for younger, more vulnerable populations. In
light of the lack of second-hand characteristics, we do not suggest restricting use in
private spaces, including multi-unit housing complexes.
 

Maurice Pudlo

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Their "rationale" isn't rational:

RATIONALE FOR RECOMMENDATION
... complexes.

Mother California says "Don't vape in public"

Baby Californian says "But why mommy"

Mother California replies "Because I said so ... now go away ... or I'll send you to your room and call daddy and tell him what you did"

Baby Californian "(o_O) damn mom I just asked"

Maurice
 

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Speaking as someone who lives near Berkeley, but thankfully not IN Berkeley -- I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. In fact, I wouldn't even be surprised if it passed. That being said, I really doubt it will make any difference [except possibly to encourage similar laws elsewhere]

We do this really funny thing in California, where we pass these REALLY stupid laws ... and then just sort of ignore them. Occasionally if you meet a cop who doesn't like you, they may actually enforce them, you pay a fine, the gov gets some money, and then they go and waste that money thinking up more stupid laws we will all break.

Does anyone remember back a couple of years ago when the city of Davis passed a law that you cannot smoke in a public area if you are standing still? I'm serious, technically to be smoking in public in Davis you need to be walking from one place to another. (hell, by now, they've probably even made that illegal)
 

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Does anyone remember back a couple of years ago when the city of Davis passed a law that you cannot smoke in a public area if you are standing still? I'm serious, technically to be smoking in public in Davis you need to be walking from one place to another. (hell, by now, they've probably even made that illegal)

:lol: wow really, I never heard that one...................
 
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