Okay, I know not everyone is breaking down virtual shop doors for 808 cartos, but some of us maybe still use them. Especially, in situations where we don't want to draw attention or scare people with vaping poles. I loved the Redds cartos (have they vanished forever?), Bloogs are good too but so expensive. Is there a carto in comparison, with a lush filler, for a reasonable price? Anyone have luck with a good quality 808 carto?