Best BIG 22650 DRIPPERS

[politbureau]

Yeah I killed those tabs on my 22mm tobh, best move ever.
Do you have a 22mm tobh to compare the two? That's the thing I can't get my head around.. If you have the same build, say 0. 3ohm in each of the two, I would think that the 22mm wood have way better flavor, due to the small chamber. So the only Advantage I could see is being able to run very low ohms on the 26650 battery. However I don't see any batteries that are higher amp than a Sony 30V.

Am I missing something?

You're not. IMO, no advantage to 26650. And 26650 batteries aren't any better than the 18650s. I use some of the better ones - Panasonic 28A - and they do have ever so slightly lower IR than the VCTs, but nothing to write home about. And still only 28A vs Sony VCT5 @ 30A, meaning only safe down to 0.16x ohm.

I have both a 22mm and 26650 Tobh in v2 and v2.5, and the flavour is better on the 22mm versions, hands down. Warmer, denser, and more intense.

I do see a potential for some insane 4/5 coil builds to happen on a decently designed and built 26650 atty, but nobody has made one yet... A 454 in 26650 with an extra mounting point would be sweet. I've done some awesome quad verticals in the 22mm and can see huge potential in a 26650 version. Even a Stillare v3 in 26650 would be nice.

So far the best flavour is on the magma, a lot due to the smaller chamber about the coils. I've also got a 26650 Veritas, but haven't built it yet. It came needing a lot of cleaning and was missing parts.

 

[OthatGuy]

Thanks for the info, I think we're on the same page, in glad you could confirm my thoughts.
I was thinking about building a 26650 mod bc I was thinking it would be able to handle more amps but even then it would probably just be a cloud mechine, I'm a flavor guy, don't get me wrong I prefer to vape around 0.3ohm, but personally I think no matter what you can't get flavor our of an atty at 0.1xxohm like you wood at higher ohms . . . Unless they made some magic 26650 atty I don't know about.
Thanks again bud.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

You're not. IMO, no advantage to 26650. And 26650 batteries aren't any better than the 18650s. I use some of the better ones - Panasonic 28A - and they do have ever so slightly lower IR than the VCTs, but nothing to write home about. And still only 28A vs Sony VCT5 @ 30A, meaning only safe down to 0.16x ohm.

I have both a 22mm and 26650 Tobh in v2 and v2.5, and the flavour is better on the 22mm versions, hands down. Warmer, denser, and more intense.

I do see a potential for some insane 4/5 coil builds to happen on a decently designed and built 26650 atty, but nobody has made one yet... A 454 in 26650 with an extra mounting point would be sweet. I've done some awesome quad verticals in the 22mm and can see huge potential in a 26650 version. Even a Stillare v3 in 26650 would be nice.

So far the best flavour is on the magma, a lot due to the smaller chamber about the coils. I've also got a 26650 Veritas, but haven't built it yet. It came needing a lot of cleaning and was missing parts.

Do you use the same size (diameter) drip tip on the 18650 as you do on the 26650?

i have a magma guy's! i dismantled it for parts for another atty hahahaa i really dont get how people cant get as good flavour from other attys as they can get from the magma, its not hard to sit your coils really close to the air intake for great flavour, i see so many people not placing coils in the right spots and moan about the atty LoL In one of my asmodus i have 6 airholes at 3/32 each, i can put a single coil in it with all the holes open and a chuff ontop and get as good flavour from that 26650 atty as i can get from most 22mm atty's.
I'm not having a dig at you guys i'm just always trying to get my head around things, always trying to understand

 

[VHRB2014]

You're not. IMO, no advantage to 26650. And 26650 batteries aren't any better than the 18650s. I use some of the better ones - Panasonic 28A - and they do have ever so slightly lower IR than the VCTs, but nothing to write home about. And still only 28A vs Sony VCT5 @ 30A, meaning only safe down to 0.16x ohm.

I have both a 22mm and 26650 Tobh in v2 and v2.5, and the flavour is better on the 22mm versions, hands down. Warmer, denser, and more intense.

I do see a potential for some insane 4/5 coil builds to happen on a decently designed and built 26650 atty, but nobody has made one yet... A 454 in 26650 with an extra mounting point would be sweet. I've done some awesome quad verticals in the 22mm and can see huge potential in a 26650 version. Even a Stillare v3 in 26650 would be nice.

So far the best flavour is on the magma, a lot due to the smaller chamber about the coils. I've also got a 26650 Veritas, but haven't built it yet. It came needing a lot of cleaning and was missing parts.

This maybe neither here or there, and does`nt apply to the low ohm drippers were discoing, but. I am running my fogger on a 26650 BC I can run all day without ever changing the battery. :?) To me, its worth it for that reason. I can run down a VTC 4 in about 3-4 hours if I run it on my one of my 18650`s.

 

[Dissonance]

Yes, you use the same drip tips for 26650 attys.

The only real advantage I can see to using 26650's is having a longer lasting battery... Most 26650 batteries last ~ 50% longer than 18650's, other than that it seems like a lot of 18650's are coming out that have just as good amp ratings as their 26650 counterparts, so mAh is the only real advantage... Well, that and 26650's hold a LOT more juice (I could fit a whole dropper full into my 26650 Tobh which had practically no juice well, I can only imagine something like the 26650 Magma which the 18650 can hold quite a bit ). I guess if you like cooler vapes it's got that going for it as well, bigger chamber and all... But that comes at the price of flavor if you're used to really warm vapes.

 

[OthatGuy]

Yeah, I agree, I go thru 5 or 8 vtc5's in a day generally. I'm pretty let down by these 26650 batteries.

 

[brianc11111]

i have 2 large drippers and wont go back to the baby drippers..
have an igo w15 tibet....tri coil...put .15 build on it... great flavor....holds a ton of juice.....
also have an ehpro tyr.....has quad design.... put .15 build on it.... floavor and vapor are fantastic
these 2 drippers have made all my other drippers ineffective.
they are big enough to hold tons of juice....
as other posters have said....i dont understand why there is not more mentioned about big drippers.
i know i wont use anything else

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

ah.. Disso i was asking Poli about his drip tip options on his 18650v26650 attys, just trying to get a handle on the reason why he isnt getting great flavour on the 26650.
I use chuff's on most of mine (26650&18650) but with the 22mm attys if i use a smaller drip tip(cherry vape DT) there isnt a lot of difference in flavour but on the 30mm there is a drop with smaller DT's as i think maybe its cus the chuff's make you inhale harder.

chuff is 13mm id.
cherry vape is 9mm id.


As regards the Magma guys i have never tried the bigger version so cant comment on it but i have to speak out here and say that i think the
22mm MAGMA IS AN ABSOLUTELY GOD AWFUL ATTY.
Yep it's built like a tank but....
The airflow is restricted unless you run both the biggest holes open with a single coil,
which doesnt really help & isnt easily drilled or ground out like most other atty's.
Limited option's for coil placement.
The only coils you can put in it are horizontal and stovetops.
Wick tails have to be long to reach the bottom of the well.
The part of the wick between the coil and the well sits on a corner, the ledge where the airhole is
& can collect juice here.
Wick mostly has to take a sharp bend from the coil to the well.
It get's hot and stays hot for a long time which probably doesnt do much good to your juice.
It's really heavy for a 22mm.
It can whistle.
The post's could be shorter.

i think ive pretty much covered most of it, now just waiting for the 1000's of people that have and like them to come at me LoL

 

[OthatGuy]

I hate the magma aswell, for all those reasons. As far as 26650 attys go the only real thing I've seen being better is that tag hold lots of juice, well that's all good but I'm running bottom feeders so that doesn't do anything for me, it's actually a negative. Juice capacity isn't what I'm looking for, I'm looking for flavor. I think it goes back to chamber volume, so 22mm wins, unless a three coil setup like the cerberus jumps out ahead, making it worth the jump...dunno..?

 

[politbureau]

Been digging the new Cerberus since I got it earlier this week. Great atty. A real PITA to build on however, as it's triple coil or nothing. It does look fantastic on the Hades and Megan tho.

So far, my favourite 26650s are still the Magma, Mutation and Asmodus. The Zenith, Plume Veil and Stillare are decent as well, tho they don't hold as much juice.

I just ordered a Big Fogger v5 and an 26650 Orchid v4, so I'll see how those perform. I'm hoping for a true all day vape with one of those and the new Efest 4200mah batteries I just got.

 

[OthatGuy]

How low of a build do you run on this effest 4200's?

I need some advice on the best batteries for deep sub ohm builds. I will have a cerberus tomorrow. ..

 

[wonkeypickle]

How low of a build do you run on this effest 4200's?

I need some advice on the best batteries for deep sub ohm builds. I will have a cerberus tomorrow. ..

Panasonic Cgr, or Sony vt if you can find them.

 

[OthatGuy]

I cant find the panys I knew the vtcs are gone, what FYI you think are the best ones left? What do you think about the purple effests that are 3500mah 32 constant 64 pulse? I usually don't like trust effest but I've been hearing good things about them.

 

[politbureau]

Efest 4200s claim 20A, so lowest safe build would be about 0.2. Purple 3500mah Efest batteries claim 32A, which should be safe down to 0.13, though some tests have shown lower. I've run mine for months down to 0.27 without issue, until I switched to the Panasonic CGRs.

If you find Sony 26650s, buy as many as you can. I just recently bought 25 VCT5s, as Sony says they plan to discontinue sales of all batteries.

 

[OthatGuy]

Nice move! I just ordered a couple effest 32a's I'm building a 26650 mid and I wanna see how it goes, I plan on running a cerberus, the coils around 0.18ish .. I guess I'll find out.

 

[politbureau]

Nice move! I just ordered a couple effest 32a's I'm building a 26650 mid and I wanna see how it goes, I plan on running a cerberus, the coils around 0.18ish .. I guess I'll find out.

Nice - which mod are you going to be running it on? It works in Hybrid mode on both the Hades and Chi You Megan, and both have decent voltage drop when you use magnets in the switch. I upgraded both with magnets from Fat Daddy Vapes. In fact the Copper Hades with hybrid Cerberus (with Copper top cap comes very close to the lowest voltage drop I've ever tested. The Panasonic CGRs contribute to this though, as they have a slightly lower IR compared to the Efests or VCT5s.

EDIT: Also remember to remove your battery after a few consecutive pulls with that low of a setup. If the battery feels warm AT ALL, discontinue use. The battery should not get warm to the touch if you're within the amp specifications. .18 is pulling 23A from the battery at around 98W, which should be fine, though I've read tests that show this battery is closer to 15A continuous. I've run .27 without issue, which is 15A / 65W.

One of these days I'll get around to building a battery and mod testing box so we can actually test sag for various batteries and then subtract it from the voltage drop on mech mods for absolute numbers...

 

[OthatGuy]

I'm building a 26650 bottom feeder. But I just realized that the cerberus has that hybrid adapter, don't know if I'll be able to drill it for bottom feeding. Well see should have it on a couple hours.

 

[OthatGuy]

Cerberus is dope

 

[politbureau]

Finally got a few more RDAs in to try from a big ebay order, and had a chance to sit down, throw on a few different builds and compare. I've now got 8 26650 mods and batteries as well, so I'm able to compare these side by side.

So far my favourites are:
- Mutation XL
- Magma
- Tobh 28.5
- Asmodus (initially didn't like... changed my build and now lovin' it)

Good, but not great:
- Plume Veil
- Mephisto
- Tyr
- Veritas

Currently not digging:
- Stillare 3/5p
- Cerberus
- Zenith
- Wolverine

Haven't tried...
- Fogger v5
- Orchid v4

Here's a few thoughts I had while playing with these guys.

Magma
+ huge juice well
+ improved airflow over 18650 version
+ domed top cap
+ fairly warm vapour
+ decent vapour production
+ dual or single coil options

- small wire holes in posts
- still whistles a bit with AFC in place
- can short on post with AFC removed

Overall: I actually prefer this to the 18650 Magma. Has become my go to for flavour and for long sessions, as the juice well is enormous. Probably a solid 7/10 in all respects - perhaps the most balanced of all the 26650 RDAs I've tried, though not the best in any one category. Definitely worth getting.


Cerberus
+ looks great on Hades with hybrid
+ multiple top caps available (separately) to match your mod
+ warm vapour

+/- triple coil only

- flavour is only OK
- weak vapour production
- top cap design impedes air/vapour flow
- small juice capacity
- top cap is very close to positive post - I got a short with a longer drip tip
- positive post holes do not go through, making them almost useless
- tight build area
- coils need to be adjusted after building/wicking for proper airflow
- 510 is very short - didn't work on all my 26650 mods
- 510 still short in hybrid mode, needs to be screwed out all the way

Overall: I initially really liked this atty - but after building the others, I realized it wasn't very good. Weak flavour, low vapour, difficult to build and small juice well. I no longer use this.


Tyr
+ great flavour
+ warm vapour
+ domed top cap
+ easy to build
+ airflow under coils
+ center post is drilled in all 4 directions
+ super cheap

+/- quad coil only
+/- looks are hit or miss...

- cannot build quad 24g or lower due to small post holes
- low airholes leak
- center of juice well is lower than deck, meaning wasted juice
--- this also means that you need to remove the top cap to drip directly on the coils, or the juice you drip doesn't hit the wicks
--- the only option is to make very long wicks, but I found these dried out quickly and didn't work well

Overall: A well conceived atty for 26650, that produces some of the best flavour and vapour with quad coils. The big issue is the juice well, which makes it nearly unusable. I still use this when I feel like changing flavours every few hits, as it really needs to be dripped directly on the coils/wicks. If you're cool with that, and don't mind the looks, it's definitely worth picking up.


Tobh 28.5mm
+ decent flavour
+ improved airflow over 18650
+ awesome vapour
+ upsized posts and holes
+ can build dual 22g
+ deep juice well
+ fits a 26650 chuff

- Ummm...?

Overall: It's, well, a Tobh. Very similar to the 18650 version, and has been scaled up properly with larger posts and holes. Not as flavourful as the Magma or Tyr, but holds a decent amount of juice and chucks vapour. Although not fantastic for flavour, it chucks decent vapour, and lasts ages due to the good sized juice well. Also has that great Tobh look, and is fairly short.

Stillare 3 or 5-post
+ decent flavour and vapour
+ domed top cap
+ fits 26650 chuff

- tiny juice well
- tiny posts and holes
- coil legs need to be very long
- 5 posts but only 2 airholes?
- positive post only drilled in two directions
- leaks on me unless kept perfectly upright

Overall: Despite loving my 18650 Stillare v3, these should be avoided. When built right it can chuck decent vapour, especially with quad coils, despite the lack of extra airholes. In fact, the best setup for this is the 5-post with quad coils, as the vapour, flavour and warmth are the best. Still, I prefer other atty's to these in all respects.


Mutation XL
+ MASSIVE juice well
+ MASSIVE posts
+ MASSIVE post holes
+ MASSIVE airflow
+ MASSIVE drip tip bore
+ great flavour and vapour
+ adjustable airflow
+ domed top cap

- cooler vapour unless built super low
- non-removable drip tip
- 28.0mm

Overall: If you buy one 26650 RDA, get this one. I actually prefer the v1 style airflow control over the v2, as you can force the air to only hit the coil lower down or from below, as opposed to the angled AFC on the v2. If someone makes a v2 styled version of this with the Plume Veil post design, I'd get it in a heartbeat.

Plume Veil (1.5 style)
+ domed top cap
+ great vapour
+ decent flavour and warmth
+ deep juice well
+ easy build
+ large post holes

- delrin drip tip insert on mine was loose (until I glued it)
- something isn't quite right...

Overall: Despite loving my Plume Veil(s), something is lost in the translation to 26650. It's not as warm, dense or flavourful as the 18650 version, and maybe for that reason I don't really like it. It's still a decent 26650 RDA, though I'd recommend the others ahead of this unless you really want that Plume Veil vibe.

Other stuff I've got that I'll post about soon:
- Asmodus
- Zenith
- Mephisto
- Wolverine
- Veritas
- Fogger v5
- Orchid v4

 

[CloudKick]

Efest 4200s claim 20A, so lowest safe build would be about 0.2. Purple 3500mah Efest batteries claim 32A, which should be safe down to 0.13, though some tests have shown lower. I've run mine for months down to 0.27 without issue, until I switched to the Panasonic CGRs.

If you find Sony 26650s, buy as many as you can. I just recently bought 25 VCT5s, as Sony says they plan to discontinue sales of all batteries.

Can you show close up pics of these Sony's you bought