Best clearo coil unit to vape NET?

[WarrenF]

I much prefer naturally extracted tobacco liquids but I can't find any off-the-peg kit that
doesn't instantly clog/leak (BDCs) or build-up deposits/burn juice (top-coils) really fast ( 1-2 days max)

I get the idea that natural tobacco will always create more deposits which then coat the wire, making it quickly overheat and caramelise (thicken & sweeten & kill) the juice.
I am guessing this means thats what needed is the thickest wire possible, which I think means getting the lowest ohm wick/coil unit on the market. (?)
I don't want to get into the expense of buying these new off-the-peg sub-ohm modals as I' not bothered about clouds and I am too lazy and useless at DIY to buy a genesis & build a micro-coil (which would, if I'm understanding this stuff correctly, be the best solution if I was a pro).

So...if my logic about thick wire/low ohm is correct - is there a 1.2 or even 1.5 resistance top-coil unit out there?I can't find one under 1.8 (UK vendors).
All BDCs have spurted juice into my mouth because I pull very hard when I vape (another problem!) so that type are all off my shopping list.

I am expecting to be told to get my .... together and build micro-coils, but I may be barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Katmar]

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[mcclintock]

Your theory of thick wire is not valid, NETs still obey the laws of physics and normal vaping. Also, in my experience, some gunking is essential to flavor, especially with NETs. I go all the way until vapor production is reduced. I must add that you will not get a good vape until you adjust your tendency to draw too hard, unless you go lung hit devices/clouds. I get the best vape when I relax and inhale and exhale slowly, worst when annoyed outside in the wind.

You didn't say which NETs you are using. I only got really great taste with NET LLC's juices with a stovetop build on a dripper, or with extra extract on a clearo. I didn't like Chris's Blend, the one pipe flavor I tried, in an EVOD though, way too funky. But maybe that's what makes those little POS's so great with some others, My favorite is Goodejuice's Patriot and I have found no substitute for a single coil EVOD -- and I mean that nothing else even comes close. No other juice comes close, but results have been poor on every other hardware I have tried. With drippers and my mini Protank 2 there was no flavor. In an Aspire CE5S BVC it tasted like synthetic juice. More expensive tanks like the Nautilus I haven't tried, between low funds and my results opposing every bit of conventional vape wisdom (still need to try Kanger BDCs with NETs). No special rebuild is required, GeJ's $2 value EVOD is sufficient to blow away all other gear and juices, although cotton wicking is even better. A variable voltage battery is required.

Another thing about the coil resistances, resistances for particular model may work opposite of the general trend. But then, resistance tells you very little without more information anyway... With the Kanger BCCs (single coil), the 1.8 ohm both draws more power at a voltage than the 2.2 and has less surface area as well, so the 1.8 can be used to get hotter, but not make more vapor. The 2.5 does go to thinner wire. You've got to actually see the coils, or get experience with them. From what I've seen, old style Kanger stuff always expected voltage reduction, while Aspire tends to need boost. Neither work well with standard batteries.

 

[93gc40]

FWIW. I use NETS only and vape at 8-10watts on 1.5-2.2ohm coils. I rewick my Kayfun at LEAST once a day.
I don't think there is a clearo that is really good for NETs.. Not that they don't work.. I ran NETs in my Protanks, just fine. I built them as BVC heads. Many people use the aspire BVC clearos and like them. BUT, since nets require more frequent wick changes at the least. The labor factor alone screams for a TRUE rebuildable atomizer. My problem with Clearos was they are not really designed for rebuilding or even wick changes. And factory coils are a waste of money when they only last 1 day or less.

 

[WarrenF]

Thanks for your posts - good info.
My NETS are UK-produced : T-Juice's Primo Verde & House of Liquids El Toro Cigarillo in a 4:1 mix ratio.
I have used Kanger BDCs - the Protank 3/EVOD 2 units -and they leak and spit all the time for me. Horrible.
Also used Totally Wicked BDCs (rebranded - looks like an Innokin iClear 16d to me) and they do the same.

My Innokin iClear 30S is great - highly recommended if you're a heavy mouth-to-lung puller. But it does need to warm-up to really deliver so if you're not on a big session and just needing the odd puff, then the old Kanger T2 is reliable. Both coils of course gunk-up fast and caramelise the liquid - so I end up needing to replace coil & throw-out thick, ruined juice far too often - which is why I started the thread question hoping for a more economical, lazy way to vape NET.
Given that I do like to draw hard, mouth-to-lung - because of decades smoking roll-ups, not straight/tailor-made cigarettes I think - I think I'll always be getting e-liquid spurting into my mouth & leaking out onto battery connection with BCs ... so its looking like learning to rebuild a Genesis-style or resigning myself to spending more cash than most until a new style clear coil system comes out.
Anyone know if these new sub-ohm tanks for the lazy cloud-chaser work well for NET? I'm not keen on spending out on a new mod and I'm sort of suspicious of them for some unknown reason (all that advertising hype, probably) but if their coil unit lasts a reasonable time with NETs then in the long-run it'd be more economical than the iClear30s.

 

[WilsonPhillips]

Warren, I don't see how any of the sub ohm tanks would work for you as a MTL hitter. They have way too much air flow for you. I am sitting here thinking as the tinkerer that I am, wondering how one of the small RDAs like the Mad Hatter Mini would work in a situation like this. There would be some requirements to make a MTL RDA. Small size. Single coil for high ohm build. TIGHT airflow. Someone around these boards might know of one that would fit the bill.

I know that you really don't want to wrap your own coils, but it is not that difficult and you only have to replace your coil once in a while. You can dry burn it and re-wick often enough to keep your vape nice and clean. Dripping is not as convenient as a tank, but you would not have the waste. It could end up being less frustrating than what you are going through now.

 

[mcclintock]

The strategies for NETs definitely vary. The GeJ stuff is kind of "gunk-friendly" whereas the NET LLC stuff gets dirty tasting in its hyper-real style. I expect more differences.

The draws on the EVOD and mini Pro 2 are so tight it would take a lot to move a lot of air. The quality is ruined before that anyway. A technique I use is to vent air at my mouth, barely inserting the drip tip, causing turbulence and less vacuum with more air.

In theory, MTL should work with any device that can be adjusted for restricted airflow and low enough output but results vary, to say the least.

 

[WarrenF]

You're so right - Protank 3s & EVOD 2s are tight - thats making me pull specially hard, overtaxing the wick so I pull up a mouthful of juice - but I get the Squirt whatever liquid I'm using in vacuum-style BCs. The NET just causes the additional and unavoidable (in my experience) hassle of very fast coil-unit clog. At least I can get a day or 2 clear, uninterrupted NET vaping out of a top-coil.

I'd just been looking at other threads here where many people like the Kanger subtank range so I'm wrong to be down on them, so I was thinking maybe I'd have to take the up-front expense of new battery/mod as well tank to do that - so thanks Wilson for your thought that they wouldn't work out for me.

After reading this site's "Differences RBA,RDA,RTA" thread & a retail Mad Hatter listing, I can begin to understand what you're saying. This could be the way forward - but its a big shift for a kack-handed clearo-user to make .... different gauge wire, twisting how many times, 2/3/4 posts, mesh, cotton/silica, micro-coils ?? ...I can just about change the fuse in a plug! Scary. I need a lot more knowledge, but maybe if there's only limited possibilities for a set-up which'll work for me, then maybe there's not too much flailing around with so many possible combinations! I can see the cost savings and the probable huge improvement in taste.

Patriot juice looks great too, thanks Mc - worth risking the US>UK customs duty to give that a try. But for the time-being at least, looks like that'll have to be with my iClear 30s & T2 clearos ...

 

[David Wolf]

I much prefer naturally extracted tobacco liquids but I can't find any off-the-peg kit that
doesn't instantly clog/leak (BDCs) or build-up deposits/burn juice (top-coils) really fast ( 1-2 days max)

I get the idea that natural tobacco will always create more deposits which then coat the wire, making it quickly overheat and caramelise (thicken & sweeten & kill) the juice.
I am guessing this means thats what needed is the thickest wire possible, which I think means getting the lowest ohm wick/coil unit on the market. (?)
I don't want to get into the expense of buying these new off-the-peg sub-ohm modals as I' not bothered about clouds and I am too lazy and useless at DIY to buy a genesis & build a micro-coil (which would, if I'm understanding this stuff correctly, be the best solution if I was a pro).

So...if my logic about thick wire/low ohm is correct - is there a 1.2 or even 1.5 resistance top-coil unit out there?I can't find one under 1.8 (UK vendors).
All BDCs have spurted juice into my mouth because I pull very hard when I vape (another problem!) so that type are all off my shopping list.

I am expecting to be told to get my **** together and build micro-coils, but I may be barking up the wrong tree.

Great question, I've been looking for a solid device for vaping NET's myself. I've been vaping them since last December, and have settled on naturally-extracted.tobacco.com as my favorite supplier at 24 mg nic and 70/30 pg/vg, and so far the best device I have found for NET liquid flavor, good mouth to lung hit, and a tight draw is the elcheapo CE5+ "no wick" (it actually has a cartridge/cartomizer style wick in the tank, replaceable) from Goodejuice.com:
Search - ce5+

The quality is so-so, only holds 1.6 ml (actually you have to add liquid before it gets to the bottom holes in the cartridge), but the BEST thing is GREAT flavor (to me!) with a fresh coil, and the replacement "coils" (cartridge style in a clearomizer "tank") are only 49 cents (no coils are cheaper anywhere), and I order 20 or more at a time. NETs last 2 or 3 days before starting to taste burnt, then I replace the coil, simple, and I don't have to be a coil builder. I'm after flavor, and convenience, and these get the job done. The cartridge (coil) has a wrapping wick, and a wick in the coil at the top that looks like cotton, so you don't want to run this at high voltage/wattage. the ego battery's 3.7 V up to 4V works best to me.

The negatives with the CE5* from Gej - sometimes will gurgle when you fill (stop before reaching top holes on coil), or at other times, cure is simple, remove the clearomizer from the battery, put tissue at the end, and gently blow through the tip until its clear, dab the end with the tissue (or paper towel), and put it back on. when changing coils, clean out the tip with hot water, or any other time you taste a bit of liquid. Apparently cant buy a new cleromizer from Gej by itself, so when i wear one out i just buy a new cheap 9.95 blister pack "kit", i already have larger size ego batteries to use. Not all CE5's are the same, some have wicks, and i tried the stainless mesh ones, good from Gej, but not as good as the CE5+ wick flavor. So I can only vouch for this suppliers version, there are so many different ones. I tried the CE4 and CE5 wick types, didn't like them. Only the CE5+ (plus) from GeJ gets the job done for me so far. So you don't think I am some uneducated novice (I am an educated novice haha), here are things I have bought and tried and do not like near as much as the CE5+ so far:
* CE4, CE5 (not plus or "V2) with wicks
* Vaporfi Express Kit vape pens, with clearomizers. Pretty good flavor , just too small of clearomizers, replacement coils too expensive.
* EVODs, these are so so to me flavor wise.
* Kangertech EMOW- dual bottom coil, not impressed with flavor, quality built unit I thought until my battery died 3 months in (though i hardly used it by then). I thought even the EVODS produced better flavor.
* Aspire Nautilus Mini Kit- BVC organic cotton coils, better than the EMOW for flavor, maybe better than the EVODs, had a metallic taste even with the organic cotton coils improved when i replaced the metal tip with a plastic one, some gurgling on 70/30 pg vg at times, some spitting on startup of vaping at times, flavor only so so, the cheap CE5 + beats it on flavor. Love the carbon fib er style adjustable voltage battery though.
* CE5+ - my current device of choice, superior flavor on a new coil.

I also want to find a device, perhaps a carto/tank (not sure what they are called exactly, the cartomizer cartridge with holes in it in a larger tanks around 3 ml, with great flavor reasonably priced coils if anyone knows of one, or other suggested device for NET liquids with cheap coils and great flavor (not on the list above i have tried already). If anyone knows of such a beast, let us know!
~David