Best Flavor

[kingdal]

Hi Everyone

I've seen a lot of threads around for setting up a gennie for best vapor. This includes setting up a fat dense wick, more wraps, low ohms and all that. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to set one up for best flavour? I know flavor is subjective, but what's the best way people have tried to get the best notes and taste out of their juice?

Let's hear it!

 

[Rule62]

I've come to believe that many of us are splitting hairs with this stuff. For example: A ZAP uses a 2.0mm wick hole (if the factory insulator is left in the hole). A DiD uses a 3.2mm hole. Both will produce great flavor and vapor. The Chinese clones will use holes anywhere in between, and can also be made to preform equally well. The bottom line is, the results are up to the individual builder. A $150 unit, set up poorly, won't vape as well as a $15 clone, set up properly.
As long as you have a well oxidized wick, and a well adjusted coil, it'll work.

 

[Buzzsaw46]

I would tend to believe R62 on this. I'm using a cheap DID clone right now and the flavor is very good, better than anything I have used so far. Waiting for my Z Atty Pro to arrive in the mail today. So I can verify any difference in the experience. At ten times the price the ZAP has some big shoes to fill!

 

[Rule62]

You'll like your ZAP. The factory wick and coil should work well. Mine did anyway.

 

[Buzzsaw46]

It only took a couple seconds to get the coil glowing nice and evenly, so far it is working well, but every now and then I get an off tasting drag. I'm hoping that will improve as the wick and coil get seasoned. I am liking the open draw of the ZAP, the DUD is a bit on the tight side for me. I really like the clear tank, I need to get one for the DUD! I really dont like not knowing how much juice I have in the tank.

 

[kingdal]

Thanks for the replies guys

I started on rbas a few weeks ago. I have a mini did and a cobra. The thing is, i find the flavor quite muted, definitely not as good as my HHs. Went reading through the threads here and put together a thick wick and played around with 28, 30 and 32 kanthal as well as a bunch of wraps. I still cant get the max flavor out. This is bugging me no end. i just thought i must be missing something. there might be some set up that works better than what i have. By the way, i use my rbas on a provari and with 20/80 juice.

 

[Thrasher]

i have to say the flavor doesnt appear as strong on my rba but better, cleaner, crisper, it actually tastes like a hint of flavor and not candy like my old system did.
with that being said I run a solid 500 wick unoxidized with a 2 ohm coil on my cobra and im always smacking my lips at work after a vape break.

there is a slight chance the thick juice is giving you problems try to use 325 and see if that helps.

 

[vapdivrr]

i do believe that 28g gives a better flavor. i also think that more wraps of 28 diminishes the flavor. as far as the wick, dont know what mesh gives the most flavor, but i believe that a wick with a bigger hole will give more flavor than a wick with a smaller hole or no hole at all. but a wick with a bigger hole kind of relys on gravity, meaning you might have to tilt it more, but then it kind of floods so you have to bring it back down. when i used this kind of wick i was always taking a couple of vapes at horizontal, then a couple of vapes vertical, going back and forth. i now use a solid wick of 500 mesh, which is more a capillary action more so than gravity. although it may not equal the flavor of a more hollow wick, its more consistant, but still has really good flavor.

 

[dirtyrigger]

I find i get the best flavor when i keep the resistance low (~1.2ohm) and i roll the wick loosely. My wicks are still solid but not rolled as dense as possible, in my experience the more wick you use the more it acts as a heat sink and diminishes flavor. IMO the faster the coils get to vaporizing temp the better the flavor.

 

[Rule62]

I find i get the best flavor when i keep the resistance low (~1.2ohm) and i roll the wick loosely. My wicks are still solid but not rolled as dense as possible, in my experience the more wick you use the more it acts as a heat sink and diminishes flavor. IMO the faster the coils get to vaporizing temp the better the flavor.

I run my resistance higher than this, mainly because I use a couple version 1 Provaris, and I don't like flirting with the high amp cut offs, or Low Res errors. But I agree about the wicks. The more mesh, the more heat sink effect. I roll my wicks solid, but I don't burn the skin off my thumbs seeing how much mesh I can squeeze in the hole. I roll them just comfortably tight.

 

[Buzzsaw46]

but I don't burn the skin off my thumbs seeing how much mesh I can squeeze in the hole. I roll them just comfortably tight.

Funny you say that, my index fingers are recovering from mesh rolling blisters. Never again, My DUD is wicking fine and has great flavor with just a nice comfortably rolled mesh, with a 2.0ohm coil at 4.5v.

 

[dirtyrigger]

I run my resistance higher than this, mainly because I use a couple version 1 Provaris, and I don't like flirting with the high amp cut offs, or Low Res errors. But I agree about the wicks. The more mesh, the more heat sink effect. I roll my wicks solid, but I don't burn the skin off my thumbs seeing how much mesh I can squeeze in the hole. I roll them just comfortably tight.

i get what you're saying, i dont have a proV but as long as your coils glow instantly when you hit the switch on a dry burn then the flavor should be spot on when you fill it no matter what ohms and volts you use to get your watts. when the coil is slow to hit max temp is when i think you start losing flavor, its also when the juice in the tank starts getting dark(and losing flavor) IMO. i'm pretty sure it has something to do with heating the liquid without changing its state.

 

[Rule62]

i get what you're saying, i dont have a proV but as long as your coils glow instantly when you hit the switch on a dry burn then the flavor should be spot on when you fill it no matter what ohms and volts you use to get your watts. when the coil is slow to hit max temp is when i think you start losing flavor, its also when the juice in the tank starts getting dark(and losing flavor) IMO. i'm pretty sure it has something to do with heating the liquid without changing its state.

I think it depends how you vape, too. Some folks seem to prefer the short quick hit. Others, myself included, are more the long slow draw types. I'm more like the latter, being a former pipe and cigar smoker.

 

[kingdal]

i do believe that 28g gives a better flavor. i also think that more wraps of 28 diminishes the flavor. as far as the wick, dont know what mesh gives the most flavor, but i believe that a wick with a bigger hole will give more flavor than a wick with a smaller hole or no hole at all. but a wick with a bigger hole kind of relys on gravity, meaning you might have to tilt it more, but then it kind of floods so you have to bring it back down. when i used this kind of wick i was always taking a couple of vapes at horizontal, then a couple of vapes vertical, going back and forth. i now use a solid wick of 500 mesh, which is more a capillary action more so than gravity. although it may not equal the flavor of a more hollow wick, its more consistant, but still has really good flavor.

Hey vapdivrr i didnt quite get what you meant about 28g gives better flavor but more wraps of 28g diminishes flavor. Does that mean that i should be going for less wraps on 28? Something like 4/5? Just thinking i would end up with around 1 ohm coil. In which case, whats the difference between that and just turning up the volts on a 32g set up on a provari? Wouldnt i be sble to adjust to equivalent watts?

 

[kingdal]

Im going to try the comfortably tightly rolled wicks and see what happens. I ould never figure out how to do he center holes tho. The hole closes up when i start rolling it tigher

Any other suggestions appreciated!

 

[EDO]

Im going to try the comfortably tightly rolled wicks and see what happens. I ould never figure out how to do he center holes tho. The hole closes up when i start rolling it tigher

Any other suggestions appreciated!

After you get the initial tight first roll ( you might have to go back and forth a few times to get the initial tight first roll), then roll it in one direction...don't go back and forth. Think of it as trying to roll a rug....after the initial first roll you would just continue in one direction until you finished rolling the rug. But the mesh is springy so you can't at any point let go of the tension or it will unravel. Hope this made sense to you.

 

[dhomes]

been onto grnesis for the past 2 months, tried everything in the forums. Each method, wick setup, wire gauge, etc etc.... I have gottent my genesis rbas to give me clear, nice flavor, much much better than the boge carto i used to love back when i started.

But nothing, NOTHING beats my phoenix setups with ss mesh and wire when it comes to flavor (clear and intense) and vapor production. the caveat is that setting tem up with the little holes and screws is a pain in the .....

i have to phoenixes and i'll be buying 2 or 3 more this week, a 1.2 ohm wick or a plain and simple Ego battery is giving me as much, if not more, flavor than my Aga-t on a provari

... but that's just my experience

 

[kingdal]

After you get the initial tight first roll ( you might have to go back and forth a few times to get the initial tight first roll), then roll it in one direction...don't go back and forth. Think of it as trying to roll a rug....after the initial first roll you would just continue in one direction until you finished rolling the rug. But the mesh is springy so you can't at any point let go of the tension or it will unravel. Hope this made sense to you.

Yep thats how i roll my wicks. I guess the mistake i make is taking the paperclip out too soon. I'll try leaving it in there till after i install the wick. Thanks EDO!

 

[kingdal]

been onto grnesis for the past 2 months, tried everything in the forums. Each method, wick setup, wire gauge, etc etc.... I have gottent my genesis rbas to give me clear, nice flavor, much much better than the boge carto i used to love back when i started.

But nothing, NOTHING beats my phoenix setups with ss mesh and wire when it comes to flavor (clear and intense) and vapor production. the caveat is that setting tem up with the little holes and screws is a pain in the .....

i have to phoenixes and i'll be buying 2 or 3 more this week, a 1.2 ohm wick or a plain and simple Ego battery is giving me as much, if not more, flavor than my Aga-t on a provari

... but that's just my experience

Exactly my experience! My phoenix with SS mesh is the best tasting rba i have. I been wondering why that is. Do you think its because the coils are all so close together?

 

[dhomes]

Exactly my experience! My phoenix with SS mesh is the best tasting rba i have. I been wondering why that is. Do you think its because the coils are all so close together?

Exactly my experience! My phoenix with SS mesh is the best tasting rba i have. I been wondering why that is. Do you think its because the coils are all so close together?

i doubt it, i have tried pretty tight coils, spaced to about half a milimeter, with the same results.

With phoenixs, i actually wrap the coils with almost no care at all and i still get better results.

if i would have to guess, i'd say its got to do with airflow dynamics and to a lesser extend the length of the wick.

the genesis have a big center post, plus, based on your version of the device, a couple of screws and (in the case of the aga) a smaller side post. the chamber is also bigger than on phoenixs, also, on a phoenix the wick i use is about 1/2 in. with about 1/3 of it submerged in liquid. on a genesis it is, say, 1 to 2 inches? (i use metric so im guesstimating). as you dry the wick with the heat the liquid has to travel through it to refill it. Just seems logical that 1/3 to 1/2 the distance of the other system allows for a much quicker feeding system.

Again, i'm just guesstimating and coming up with possible reasons. I'm not about to do a full CFD analysis just to figure the issue out