yes it is...and first I was talking about KR808 cartomizers...so you cant really use 510 cartomizers to defend them... but yes with easy to remove silicone caps they are easier to refill, (I'm more prone to seeing that as an easy to fill blanks feature than a design for refilling)....but their design is still as disposeable...every manufacturer refers to them as disposeable cartomizers.....if they started to design where the filler material wasn't burning and more to a refillable/reuseable item
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yes it is...and first I was talking about KR808 cartomizers...so you cant really use 510 cartomizers to defend them... but yes with easy to remove silicone caps they are easier to refill, (I'm more prone to seeing that as an easy to fill blanks feature than a design for refilling)....but their design is still as disposeable...every manufacturer refers to them as disposeable cartomizers.....if they started to design where the filler material wasn't burning and more to a refillable/reuseable item
I was referring to 510 cartridges, not cartomizers. They are sold in 5-packs, filled or blank, just like cartomizers. I'm sure the manufacturers would prefer you threw them out after every use and bought new ones, but just like with cartomizers, they have to realize that everybody refills cartridges. They're not made to last forever, but again, neither are attys or batteries. Unless you get a good big-battery mod, every part of your ecig gear is intended to be a "consumable" that you will have to replace eventually.
ok...yeah totally different though...the heating element isnt in the 510 cartridge causing filler to burn either...and the filler is easily replaceable...and they're not really marketed as disposeable, one use items...
there's the huge difference I see there....when one vendor who deals only in Cartomizer was asked whether anything was going to be done about the burning filler issue his response was ...they're disposeable made for one use and to be thrown away...any bonus refills you get out of them are a bonus and outside of specs.
Sounds like there's a market opening for burn-proof, fiberglass-packed cartomizers for somebody to exploit.
yeah there is (well maybe not fiberglass)...take a look at the burning cartomizer threads...there's people that would beat the drum to your door if you put out a cartomizer where the filler doesnt burn...I've been thinking of playing and seeing what could be done with kevlar wicking (just for my own experimentation) (*and yes I realize that kevlar is a type of fiberglass)
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you're completely ignoring the fact that one of the recent 510 innovations was the 510 disposable cartomizer.....that pretty much negates your entire argument.....
Ummm, but they're not designing for the 510 cartomizer... they're designing for the 510 atomizer... you knew that right?
no they're designing for the 510 thread arrangement...they just were picking up on the popularity of the cartomizer as well...making a 510 that is dual use ...either atty or carto... it would be like if someone came out with an KR808d-1 atty (oh wait thats right the 901 is the same threads)...
and the 510 cartos have the same burning filler problem
lol.....I wonder, are you serious?.....look, he was arguing that the reason the innovations are happening in the 510 line was because people didn't like the cartomizers as much as the atomizers.....if so, why is one of the innovations a 510 cartomizer?......
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first of all, there is no burning filler problem, there's just some early users who didn't know how to use cartomizers who raised a fuss.....wet cartomizers don't burn......
second, 808 threaded products are just as popular as 510 threaded products.....I was simply pointing out that all the innovation seems to be happening in the 510 threaded market......if that continues, I suspect the 808 system WILL go the way of the betamax and the 8track....
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510 compatible cartos aren't really a recent innovation, they are just recently being marketed as such and so have become more popular recently. They are the same threads as those used on the SuperMini 808A & 808B.
You really think the KR808 is on the way out? That would be a shame. I like the 808 for its ease, it's great for running around, going to bars, the plane, working in the field, and I think for the first time user into the world of vaping it's a great way get into this.
I love my 510 atty for home or office--it's the best for dripping, and use with a mod or ego. The cart is ok, they seem to not last as long as the cartomizer, but they do work well. For heavy vaping the 510 dripping is the way to go.
IMO I think for people who are commetted to vaping would probably use the 808 for convieniance, and the 510 for more non hecktect situations.
I do anyway, and love my life because of these two designs.
I love my 510 atty for home or office--it's the best for dripping, and use with a mod or ego. The cart is ok, they seem to not last as long as the cartomizer, but they do work well. For heavy vaping the 510 dripping is the way to go.
IMO I think for people who are commetted to vaping would probably use the 808 for convieniance, and the 510 for more non hecktect situations.
I do anyway, and love my life because of these two designs.
Umm, no. It boils down to this You need a connector between the battery and the device (atty, carto, whatever). You're only going to put one on your mod. Which one do you choose? (probably the one that's most prevalent).
It's not so much a *510* cartomizer. It's a cartomizer with the (what's come to be known as) 510 threaded connector. There is nothing really unique about the inner design of the cartomizer that distinguishes it from anything else.
If you want to cover more of the market it's *way* more cost effective to provide an adapter/converter rather than have 2 assemblies, 2 sets of supply, etc, etc.
So it's just a connector. There doesn't seem to be any significant advantage to the design and function of one connector over the other. and you need to pick one when you make something. If I was making something, my choice would be the connector with the biggest number sold so far... you?
I raised the issue regarding commercial batteries, not mods....though an interesting hobby, what a modder does a few hundred times has no impact on the market as a whole......
I believe that plays directly to my point....I was raising the issue of trends to examine the future of the industry......I look at what's happening today and I speculate that 1) cartomizers will permanently replace cartridges......2) that the 510 system will eliminate the 808 system.....I consider as evidence of the latter, the fact that all the innovation in the industry seems focused on the best seller, this will continue to feed sales, as people wish to purchase the newest product, thus unless the 808 industry wishes to decline, it needs to match the 510 industry in innovation.....at the very least we need to see some 750 and 1300mah batteries for 808s to keep up.....
and it shouldn't be that difficult.....eGo came out less than two months ago....already you can find half a dozen companies making eGo clones.....why is it not a single one has bothered to replace the 510 battery to atomizer connection with an 808d battery to atomizer connection?....
Hmmm, You refer to the "510 system" and the "808 system".
What is it that differentiates one from the other? The only incompatibility between the components is the threads and a very slight barrel diameter difference. There really isn't any technological difference -- well there was until the 510 cartomizer (which someone said has been around for a good while anyway). Is the 901 part of the 808 system? It's fully compatible in every way and simply the 3 peice atomizer version of the 2 piece cartomizer. Going back to the Betamax vs VHS analogy, there was an actual technology difference there.
What is it that differentiates one from the other? The only incompatibility between the components is the threads and a very slight barrel diameter difference. There really isn't any technological difference -- well there was until the 510 cartomizer (which someone said has been around for a good while anyway). Is the 901 part of the 808 system? It's fully compatible in every way and simply the 3 peice atomizer version of the 2 piece cartomizer. Going back to the Betamax vs VHS analogy, there was an actual technology difference there.
808s are not 100% compatible with 901s.....the older 901 batteries did not provide adequate air flow for 808 carts and there are probably still some adapters out there that won't work....I expect most of the newer stuff is fully compatible....and yes, by "system" I mean all those things that are produced to work with a particular type of threading, whether it be 510 or 808 or v9 or whatever....there are some other technological differences I believe.....901s tend to burn a bit hotter if I'm not mistaken.....(isn't it 3.7 v 3.1 or something like that?)
as far as the Betamax analogy is concerned (and it's only one of many possible examples from history), while it is true you can use adapters to make parts interchangeable, everything else being equal, how long would you continue to buy 808 carts to use on a 510 battery if 510 carts were as easily obtainable?.....if the manufacturers of 808 product sit back and watch the manufacturers of 510 product continuously produce a more attractive product; then eventually, they will have no market....
granted I've only been vaping since January, but since then the only "innovation" I've seen in 808s is the XL battery.....in the same period of time I've seen cartomizers, mega batteries, eGo, the Sit and Go USB and the new 1300mah batteries for 510s.......
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well, I wouldn't call that a technology difference. They're just a bit different resistance. Same design. The difference in voltage getting from the battery to the device is due to crappy switches or solder joints etc. (resistance again).
Well, yes. But now it's a matter of the same product (just named differently with some slight cosmetic/compatibility differences). and the guys making the one called "808" lost the marketing war. What if the "808" makers started using "510" connectors? I have the feeling that patents are not a factor in this industry (at least not with the current manufacturers).
I think you're hung up on the name. I don't see any actual product differentiation any more. Unless you really have a preference for the inverted thread connector.
precisely...."so what" will happen next?......just trying to stimulate some conversation about the future of vaping......
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