I feel the same although I haven't tried my hand at DIY. Whats the shelf life on a big ole bottle of high mg nic?
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I feel the same although I haven't tried my hand at DIY. Whats the shelf life on a big ole bottle of high mg nic?
Government doesn't like anyone living outside the grid. It's about bailouts, remember?
I think that it is freezable and lasts about 1 year that way. There have been some informal tests on how it degrades after that point, but I don't have that data. I'm just sort of dipping my toes in DIY now, have about a 6 month supply in the freezer now and will buy another batch soon.
I think ima start a big huge e-juice lab and make gazillion $$ when they buy me out....oh wait,somebody is already doing that!
I agree with what several others stated in that I'm not afraid of actual hardware being banned as they can label mods whatever they want. Heck they could be called battery powered anything and sell them. My concern is the actual e juice that we all buy to put in our devices. These big tabacoo companies could come or and say that any one making eliquid, other than themselves is unregulated and dangerous thus pushing all the smaller vendors out of business. Or something else that has been bantered about is only having tobacco or menthol flavored liquid available through these big tobacco companies as flavored liquid is being considered marketed at the youth. I will start smoking analogs or quit before I vape either of those flavors, no offense to tobacco or menthol vapors, before some one tells me what flavors I can vape. And you can only imagine what the quality of that garbadge is going to be. That's my main concern. Batteries are batteries, tanks are tanks, but eliquid can and probably will be regulated at some point and I dread the day.
This, FDA does indeed regulate medical devices, and could deem Pvs as a nicotine delivery device or some such classification which would then fall under their jurisdiction.
can any of you imagine vaping Marlborough e-liquid strait from RJReynolds? Would you feel dirty or paranoid?
I am hoping that they enter the e-cig market, sure. I want to see Marlborough rechargable e-cigs. Will they even DO rechargeable e-cigs or will they stick to disposables? Probably disposables at first. Most bang for their buck. Human beings are creatures of habit and symbolism. Thats ALL we are in fact. Thats ALL our minds are. We like repetition. That is what thought is. So more people will be willing to try e-cigs if they feel like a throw away cigarette.
My concern lies in big tobacco allowing the gov to take away our e-liquid. It may end up being in big tobacco's best financial interests to see e-liquid sale banned. If e-liquid bottles sold over the internet or even in B&M stores is banned, their product sales will presumably escalate because everyone will be forced into picking a comfy brand of prefilled cartomizers... I say comfy, and I mean comfy.. Everyone will quickly choose a brand that is readily available to them at their nearest gas stations. At that point we as a hobbyist community are screwed. If they managed to ban sale of wholesale high nic PG/VG, the b&m juice shops and online juice vendors would go under. Bankruptcy. And we'd be forced to use cartomizers and the flavors they (BT) will push on us.
If PG/VG nicotine solution is made to be still available in small amounts, (hm, is that possible?) then maybe some vendors will stay afloat, but our juice prices could skyrocket. Especially if a tax is imposed on PG/VG nicotine solution. If it doesn't go down like that, and the government simply BANS THE SALE OF FLAVORED PG/VG NICOTINE LIQUID... and unflavored e-liquid stays legal for sale, then we may see an explosion of DIY hobbyists flood the EC Forums. I would hate to see this happen but it would be much better than an outright ban on the sale of flavorless nicotine solution. But i don't want to be forced to create my own flavors for the rest of my life. I want to be able to go to Joe and Danielle's juice shack . com to get my Super Plueed Jooze.
As far as banning e-cigarettes... Not going to happen now that BT is entering the game. 510 threaded devices seem to be the norm. I am hoping that BTobacco does not change this, but, as I have said before... THEY COULD. They could easily gain a monopoly on the market, come together and aspire to change the threading on all of their products, BAN e-liquid and nicotine solution sales..... and if they pulled this off, not only would we have to buy their pre-filled cartomizers, but we'd be forced into using their batteries as well... and if that were the case, who knows how ....ty their products will end up being. They could be like Blu, which, is already pretty ....ty as we all know, or they could be worse.
As far as mods go... I HOPE that mods are safe. We are the people using mods.. We are the minority. The majority of vapers are using cig-alikes because cig-alikes is what is being advertized on television, radio, and in our malls. I don't think the focus is going to be on banning mods but it is definitely possible if the FDA wants to say our mods are over-powered or dangerous in that they can potentially facilitate nicotine over dose/death, OR, if our mods get more attention from idiots blowing themselves up by using the wrong battery configs or home-brewed souped up mods. But I think our mods are safer than our e-liquid, for now. Worst comes to worst, we can market our mods as something that they are not, such as a room deodorizer or a essential oils vaporizer. This is what we DON'T want because mods would become even more obscure to people trying to quit cigarettes. I know how the game works. I was involved in things sold over the internet that the government has wanted to ban a lot as a teen lol. I know that we can get around some bans and some rules with loop holes, but at that point we turn into mole-people and extreme hobbyists, as if we weren't already? LOL. We are. Believe it or not, but that is exactly what we are. 90% of Vapers are those that use disposables and rechargeable cig-alikes. The ONLY people that go for the larger devices are the internet people. The people that know how to use google and the people that knew to come to a forum first. Thats it. As soon as we become those mole people, this forum as we know it will change forever. New rules will be put into effect and we'll have to tip-toe around what we say. Instead of quit success story's we'll have to encode our txt and talk about our rooms smelling of snickerdoodle cookies and apple wood tobacco
See, a lot of bad things can happen. We call all brainstorm the .... storm vape apocalypse for hours... We are gonna need to keep an eye on things and fight when we must fight. As I've said before, if you are reading this right now, you ARE the front lines. Do NOT, DO NOT think for a second that if something went down, you'll let the "real" e-cig enthusiasts handle it. You ARE of the most hard-core enthusiasts, and I can tell, and I can tell you this, because you are on this forum reading this right now. If something were to go down, a new law, what-have-you, YOU ARE our soldier. Its YOU we're counting on. DON'T count on others. There is already a few things that I am watching at the moment. Please scroll to the top of this page and you'll find a link to the current bill we are fighting. Please click the link within that thread and send a comment/letter to the FDA, Congress, and/or your Senate representatives. This is important. You don't want to lose your right to vape on what you have.
I am hoping that they enter the e-cig market, sure. I want to see Marlborough rechargable e-cigs. Will they even DO rechargeable e-cigs or will they stick to disposables? Probably disposables at first. Most bang for their buck. Human beings are creatures of habit and symbolism. Thats ALL we are in fact. Thats ALL our minds are. We like repetition. That is what thought is. So more people will be willing to try e-cigs if they feel like a throw away cigarette.
My concern lies in big tobacco allowing the gov to take away our e-liquid. It may end up being in big tobacco's best financial interests to see e-liquid sale banned. If e-liquid bottles sold over the internet or even in B&M stores is banned, their product sales will presumably escalate because everyone will be forced into picking a comfy brand of prefilled cartomizers... I say comfy, and I mean comfy.. Everyone will quickly choose a brand that is readily available to them at their nearest gas stations. At that point we as a hobbyist community are screwed. If they managed to ban sale of wholesale high nic PG/VG, the b&m juice shops and online juice vendors would go under. Bankruptcy. And we'd be forced to use cartomizers and the flavors they (BT) will push on us.
If PG/VG nicotine solution is made to be still available in small amounts, (hm, is that possible?) then maybe some vendors will stay afloat, but our juice prices could skyrocket. Especially if a tax is imposed on PG/VG nicotine solution. If it doesn't go down like that, and the government simply BANS THE SALE OF FLAVORED PG/VG NICOTINE LIQUID... and unflavored e-liquid stays legal for sale, then we may see an explosion of DIY hobbyists flood the EC Forums. I would hate to see this happen but it would be much better than an outright ban on the sale of flavorless nicotine solution. But i don't want to be forced to create my own flavors for the rest of my life. I want to be able to go to Joe and Danielle's juice shack . com to get my Super Plueed Jooze.
As far as banning e-cigarettes... Not going to happen now that BT is entering the game. 510 threaded devices seem to be the norm. I am hoping that BTobacco does not change this, but, as I have said before... THEY COULD. They could easily gain a monopoly on the market, come together and aspire to change the threading on all of their products, BAN e-liquid and nicotine solution sales..... and if they pulled this off, not only would we have to buy their pre-filled cartomizers, but we'd be forced into using their batteries as well... and if that were the case, who knows how ....ty their products will end up being. They could be like Blu, which, is already pretty ....ty as we all know, or they could be worse.
As far as mods go... I HOPE that mods are safe. We are the people using mods.. We are the minority. The majority of vapers are using cig-alikes because cig-alikes is what is being advertized on television, radio, and in our malls. I don't think the focus is going to be on banning mods but it is definitely possible if the FDA wants to say our mods are over-powered or dangerous in that they can potentially facilitate nicotine over dose/death, OR, if our mods get more attention from idiots blowing themselves up by using the wrong battery configs or home-brewed souped up mods. But I think our mods are safer than our e-liquid, for now. Worst comes to worst, we can market our mods as something that they are not, such as a room deodorizer or a essential oils vaporizer. This is what we DON'T want because mods would become even more obscure to people trying to quit cigarettes. I know how the game works. I was involved in things sold over the internet that the government has wanted to ban a lot as a teen lol. I know that we can get around some bans and some rules with loop holes, but at that point we turn into mole-people and extreme hobbyists, as if we weren't already? LOL. We are. Believe it or not, but that is exactly what we are. 90% of Vapers are those that use disposables and rechargeable cig-alikes. The ONLY people that go for the larger devices are the internet people. The people that know how to use google and the people that knew to come to a forum first. Thats it. As soon as we become those mole people, this forum as we know it will change forever. New rules will be put into effect and we'll have to tip-toe around what we say. Instead of quit success story's we'll have to encode our txt and talk about our rooms smelling of snickerdoodle cookies and apple wood tobacco
See, a lot of bad things can happen. We call all brainstorm the .... storm vape apocalypse for hours... We are gonna need to keep an eye on things and fight when we must fight. As I've said before, if you are reading this right now, you ARE the front lines. Do NOT, DO NOT think for a second that if something went down, you'll let the "real" e-cig enthusiasts handle it. You ARE of the most hard-core enthusiasts, and I can tell, and I can tell you this, because you are on this forum reading this right now. If something were to go down, a new law, what-have-you, YOU ARE our soldier. Its YOU we're counting on. DON'T count on others. There is already a few things that I am watching at the moment. Please scroll to the top of this page and you'll find a link to the current bill we are fighting. Please click the link within that thread and send a comment/letter to the FDA, Congress, and/or your Senate representatives. This is important. You don't want to lose your right to vape on what you have.
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It's not a nicotine delivery device unless nicotine is added. Many vendors sell ejuices with 0% nicotine.
Edit: One example is to say that the FDA can regulate grapes because wine can be made from them.
Edit: One example is to say that the FDA can regulate grapes because wine can be made from them.
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E-cigs are becoming a big enough industry to the point where I can see loopholes being deployed if the FDA were to ban our e-cigarettes and mods. As I said above, they would become room deoderizers and we would become extreme hobbyists, the people that "know the secret" and still use them as personal nicotine vaporizers. This is not going to happen, I hope.
IMHO many advocacy groups are a way of corraling a potentially volatile group and steering them towards concessions that fit a strategic governmental plan.
Well, then I guess they would have to throw in fogging machines in with it. There's a utube video where someone took a fogging machine and actually vaped it! He coughed like hell, but he vaped it.
Like I stated in another post, it's not a nicotine delivery device unless it contains nicotine. Many ejuice vendors offer ejuice with 0% nicotine. In that case, it's not a nicotine delivery device in that case because there is no nicotine present.
Like I stated in another post, it's not a nicotine delivery device unless it contains nicotine. Many ejuice vendors offer ejuice with 0% nicotine. In that case, it's not a nicotine delivery device in that case because there is no nicotine present.
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What scares me about this is mostly the amount of money behind the tobacco companies. It'd give them the ability to lobby for a whole lot of things that might be good for the tobacco companies, but not so good for us.
For example, what if they decide to go with the Apple model? The build some proprietary e-cigs and prefilled cartridges, and then start pushing (for "safety" reasons, of course) for some sort of super-expensive government certification system for juice, that ensures that only juices made by the people with really deep pockets who can afford the process are allowed to go to market. I can easily see them doing the same for PV devices.
There's just so much that could go wrong. I'd like to be optimistic about the idea of big tobacco getting into the e-cig game, but it's not easy.
For example, what if they decide to go with the Apple model? The build some proprietary e-cigs and prefilled cartridges, and then start pushing (for "safety" reasons, of course) for some sort of super-expensive government certification system for juice, that ensures that only juices made by the people with really deep pockets who can afford the process are allowed to go to market. I can easily see them doing the same for PV devices.
There's just so much that could go wrong. I'd like to be optimistic about the idea of big tobacco getting into the e-cig game, but it's not easy.
Don't forget the FDA has pretty much already tried everything mentioned above and failed. As far as their ability to regulate, they won't bother with hardware it's far to easy to make in a garage. They can't go after the flavorings, PG or VG they are far too common and sanctions on them would have too far reaching impact. Seriously, read the labels in your bathroom PG and VG are in everything.
Our weak point is the nicotine and they won't have a hard time imposing taxes, fines and regulating it. Last I knew we only have 2 companies in the USA manufacturing USP grade nicotine. That's where they would cut us off if they were going to. Not saying they will and at this point I would think that they are realizing they won't be able to deal with e-cigs as they like. The congressional hearing should bring the issue near a closing.
I have no concern that Big Tobacco would try to make e-cigs more addictive or add ingredients that would make them less safe, far too many eyes on the ecigs and safety of the juice at this point. They wouldn't risk their last dying chance at maintaining their entire industry.
Most of my concerns with them entering the market were their ability to influence the industry. They have the funds and motives to be big players overnight in the ecig world and wipe clean nearly any competition. They also have the lobbyist's to tip things in their favor and create an unfair advantage.
I am glad many seem to be of opinion their involvement is a positive force, I would like to think so.
Our weak point is the nicotine and they won't have a hard time imposing taxes, fines and regulating it. Last I knew we only have 2 companies in the USA manufacturing USP grade nicotine. That's where they would cut us off if they were going to. Not saying they will and at this point I would think that they are realizing they won't be able to deal with e-cigs as they like. The congressional hearing should bring the issue near a closing.
I have no concern that Big Tobacco would try to make e-cigs more addictive or add ingredients that would make them less safe, far too many eyes on the ecigs and safety of the juice at this point. They wouldn't risk their last dying chance at maintaining their entire industry.
Most of my concerns with them entering the market were their ability to influence the industry. They have the funds and motives to be big players overnight in the ecig world and wipe clean nearly any competition. They also have the lobbyist's to tip things in their favor and create an unfair advantage.
I am glad many seem to be of opinion their involvement is a positive force, I would like to think so.
My real fear is that Big Tobacco will do to ECigs what they did to analogs, added chemicals and toxins. Anybody smoking for over 20 years know analogs do not taste the same now as they did 20 years ago. They added a chemical to the paper to make the cigarette go out after sitting for so long. That really altered the taste to me.
I'd love to see an RJReynold's eGo and Lorilard top coil clearomizer tanks hahah
If that is the case, I would have no problem with making my own zero nic juice at home.
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