Black and mild smoker needs a long term economical replacement
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Epower 14650. Someone already mentioned that model so I figured i would just second it. When these guys are saying better kits, they don't mean big mods, that look like you are smoking out of a cell phone, they just mean something like the ego, or the epower, that isn't designed to look like a cigarette, or anything, its just designed for performance. These types have a lot of battery life, and work great.
So do you inhale? I'm a real cigar smoker that never inhales. I just use ecigs instead anyway. I'm not even addicted
That should be the right mindset for first timers. In the end, you'll save money with that attitude.
Coincidentally, I'm actually waiting for my E-Power kit. And some cartos and stuff I don't remember adding in my order. I myself I'm still looking for fairly advanced kits that doesn't hurt the pocket.
I'm also relying on these guys' recommendations as I'm relatively new myself to many types of e-cigs.
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I think the E-Power 14650 is a great PV to start with. Its an eGo type mod that is 3.7V and has a 510 connection. Many people like the eGo, and it is a great PV, but it is a 3.4V. If you like using LR attys/cartos, or are planning on using them, I would go with a 3.7V. LR puts alot ofstrees on eGo batteries. Many people will say that they do it and dont have any problems, but I also know prob just as many people that have ruined their batteries because of it. It will fry the mosfet if your not careful. 3.7V PVs will handle the LR attys/cartos better and will give you a nice variety of things you can use with it.
As far as which one to get, thats up to you. I recommend the Riva, kGo, or E-Power. All are great PVs and will give you what your looking for. Their all have 510 connections and manual batteries. The Riva is very popular and affordable. Liberty Flights has a good deal for the Riva. The kGo is nice and has great battery life. (1100mah). The E-Power also has great battery life and is very versitle.
My personal preference is the E-Power. I use a 14650 daily and love it. Everything on the E-Power is replaceable so it really keeps costs down. Its also the only one out of the ones I listed that uses non-proprietary batteries. E-Power batteries cost $4 compared to eGo/kGo/Riva batteries that cost $14-20. The fact that the batteries are so cheap and everything is replaceable is one of the big things that made me lean toward the E-Power. One the eGo/kGo/Rivas the battery and switch is all one piece. With the E-Power its 3 seperate pieces. (Tube, battery, switch). So with a Riva/kGo/eGo if you fry your switch or your battery dies, you have to replace the entire thing. Even if the battery is fine and the switch just fried, the whole thing has to be replaced. With the E-Power, everything can be bought seperately. If you need a new battery, you can buy just the battery. If your switch stops working, you buy just a switch, and can continue using your existing tube and battery. So to me that was a big plus because it really helps with keeping maintanance costs down. Plus, I havent found a LR carto that the E-Power hasnt been able to handle yet. The E-Power is very easy to use which makes it a good starter kit, but Ive also found that because it is a 3.7V it has enough power to satisfy many people so they wont need to upgrade later.
Read this about the E-Power : http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/standard-e-cigarette-reviews/233335-anyone-considering-buying-e-power-14650-read.html
This will give you some info why you might like the E-Power more than an eGo/kGo/Riva.
It will also tell you where to get it to get a really good deal. I talked about it briefly in the previous post, but I found that Crystal Clear Vaping has the best bang for your buck. Im on a college student budget so thats important to me.
If you get it from CCV, youll get a FREE 5 pack of 'Ressuector' Cartomizers, FREE 30ml juice ofyour choice, and FREE shipping.
Plus put in "ecf5off" and youll get 5% off the order. Ifyou add it up your getting over $25 worth of free stuff.
The Ressurector cartos are incredible and I recommend everyone try them. They were designed specifically for 3.7V and really make the E-Power shine. I use them daily. Youll be able to try them for free which is nice. They are single coil, but many people feel they produce vapor similar to a dual coil. They also hold 2ml of jice which is really nice. While tanks are nice bc they allow you to not have to refill frequently, I find them to be kind of a pain when your out of the house. The Ressurectors are great for on the go. They are small and easily fit in your pocket, but still last al day bc they hold 2ml of juice.
For the free juice I got the Black&Mild when I ordered mine. The OP said he was looking for a Black&Mild juice and I HIGHLY recommend you try it. Its very flavorful and its one of my all day vapes.
I think the E-Power is a great kit to get you started in the world of vaping, and Im glad I started with it.
If you do order one from CCV, I also recommend ordering another pack of cartomizers. CCV gives you a free syringe with all carto purchases and i HIGHLY recommend you use it to fill your cartos. The first fill is very important and this will ensure its done correctly. If they are filled correctly they can last a long time. Ive been using one Ressurector for over 4 weeks.
Filling with a syringe is very easy to do and if anyone would like I can post a detailed writeup of how to fill a cartomizer with a syringe.
Goodluck with everything!!
As far as which one to get, thats up to you. I recommend the Riva, kGo, or E-Power. All are great PVs and will give you what your looking for. Their all have 510 connections and manual batteries. The Riva is very popular and affordable. Liberty Flights has a good deal for the Riva. The kGo is nice and has great battery life. (1100mah). The E-Power also has great battery life and is very versitle.
My personal preference is the E-Power. I use a 14650 daily and love it. Everything on the E-Power is replaceable so it really keeps costs down. Its also the only one out of the ones I listed that uses non-proprietary batteries. E-Power batteries cost $4 compared to eGo/kGo/Riva batteries that cost $14-20. The fact that the batteries are so cheap and everything is replaceable is one of the big things that made me lean toward the E-Power. One the eGo/kGo/Rivas the battery and switch is all one piece. With the E-Power its 3 seperate pieces. (Tube, battery, switch). So with a Riva/kGo/eGo if you fry your switch or your battery dies, you have to replace the entire thing. Even if the battery is fine and the switch just fried, the whole thing has to be replaced. With the E-Power, everything can be bought seperately. If you need a new battery, you can buy just the battery. If your switch stops working, you buy just a switch, and can continue using your existing tube and battery. So to me that was a big plus because it really helps with keeping maintanance costs down. Plus, I havent found a LR carto that the E-Power hasnt been able to handle yet. The E-Power is very easy to use which makes it a good starter kit, but Ive also found that because it is a 3.7V it has enough power to satisfy many people so they wont need to upgrade later.
Read this about the E-Power : http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/standard-e-cigarette-reviews/233335-anyone-considering-buying-e-power-14650-read.html
This will give you some info why you might like the E-Power more than an eGo/kGo/Riva.
It will also tell you where to get it to get a really good deal. I talked about it briefly in the previous post, but I found that Crystal Clear Vaping has the best bang for your buck. Im on a college student budget so thats important to me.
If you get it from CCV, youll get a FREE 5 pack of 'Ressuector' Cartomizers, FREE 30ml juice ofyour choice, and FREE shipping.
Plus put in "ecf5off" and youll get 5% off the order. Ifyou add it up your getting over $25 worth of free stuff.
The Ressurector cartos are incredible and I recommend everyone try them. They were designed specifically for 3.7V and really make the E-Power shine. I use them daily. Youll be able to try them for free which is nice. They are single coil, but many people feel they produce vapor similar to a dual coil. They also hold 2ml of jice which is really nice. While tanks are nice bc they allow you to not have to refill frequently, I find them to be kind of a pain when your out of the house. The Ressurectors are great for on the go. They are small and easily fit in your pocket, but still last al day bc they hold 2ml of juice.
For the free juice I got the Black&Mild when I ordered mine. The OP said he was looking for a Black&Mild juice and I HIGHLY recommend you try it. Its very flavorful and its one of my all day vapes.
I think the E-Power is a great kit to get you started in the world of vaping, and Im glad I started with it.
If you do order one from CCV, I also recommend ordering another pack of cartomizers. CCV gives you a free syringe with all carto purchases and i HIGHLY recommend you use it to fill your cartos. The first fill is very important and this will ensure its done correctly. If they are filled correctly they can last a long time. Ive been using one Ressurector for over 4 weeks.
Filling with a syringe is very easy to do and if anyone would like I can post a detailed writeup of how to fill a cartomizer with a syringe.
Goodluck with everything!!
@mynameisrob,
I appreciate the long list of suggestions and info in your posts about E-Power. How long exactly do these types of batteries last before recharging? Just wondering why you're not mentioning anything about high drained batteries, which I stumbled upon only recently. I'm also wondering why the vendors that sell these kits don't offer high-drained batteries. You have to buy them from another site, which is another hassle and shipping costs plus extra weeks of waiting for the items to arrive.
I appreciate the long list of suggestions and info in your posts about E-Power. How long exactly do these types of batteries last before recharging? Just wondering why you're not mentioning anything about high drained batteries, which I stumbled upon only recently. I'm also wondering why the vendors that sell these kits don't offer high-drained batteries. You have to buy them from another site, which is another hassle and shipping costs plus extra weeks of waiting for the items to arrive.
On the batteries that come with the kit I get about a day to a day and a half out of one battery. You get 2 of them, so you really dont have to worry about running out, becuase its easy to keep a spare on you. (Their about the size of a AA battery, but alittle longer) The stock batteries are 1050mah. I really like the non-proprietary batteries because they last a lot longer before they need to be replaced.
I didnt get into "High-Drain" batteries purposely bc I didnt want to confuse anyone too much, since this was geared toward a beginning user. Kits dont come with HiDrains because technically they arent required and they are alittle more expensive so I would guess thats maybe part ofthe reason vendors dont include them.
The E-Power 14650 uses 14650 batteries so you would need 14650 "High-Drains". Ive only found 2 vendors that sell them. AvidVaper.com and electronicstix.com. The Hi-Drains will give a little more umph to your cartos/attys. I have 2 ofthem and like them alot. I recommmend getting them from electronicstix. Make sure you get the ones that say "High-Drain". They are $8.99 each. I normally use the Ressurector cartos, but sometimes when Im home I drip. I use a HH .357 Hybrid atty for dripping with a High Drain battery. Its an awesome combination. The HH .357 is insane and gives better flavors than any atty ive ever tried, plus HUGE amounts of vapor.
The "High-Drain" batteries are really nice, but like I said, they are not necessarily required. The batteries that come with the E-Power are actually really nice and perform well. They surprise alot of people on how well they work and how long they last. I still use them regularly.
If you do end up getting a few extra batteries I recommend maybe considering a better charger. Get the TR-001 charger. Its made by Trustfire. It works really well, and will charge 2 batteries at once. Many vendors sell it, but if your buying the "High-Drains" I know electronicstix carries it, so you could get it together and not have to pay seperate shippings.
Hope that helps and let me know if you have any more questions!
I didnt get into "High-Drain" batteries purposely bc I didnt want to confuse anyone too much, since this was geared toward a beginning user. Kits dont come with HiDrains because technically they arent required and they are alittle more expensive so I would guess thats maybe part ofthe reason vendors dont include them.
The E-Power 14650 uses 14650 batteries so you would need 14650 "High-Drains". Ive only found 2 vendors that sell them. AvidVaper.com and electronicstix.com. The Hi-Drains will give a little more umph to your cartos/attys. I have 2 ofthem and like them alot. I recommmend getting them from electronicstix. Make sure you get the ones that say "High-Drain". They are $8.99 each. I normally use the Ressurector cartos, but sometimes when Im home I drip. I use a HH .357 Hybrid atty for dripping with a High Drain battery. Its an awesome combination. The HH .357 is insane and gives better flavors than any atty ive ever tried, plus HUGE amounts of vapor.
The "High-Drain" batteries are really nice, but like I said, they are not necessarily required. The batteries that come with the E-Power are actually really nice and perform well. They surprise alot of people on how well they work and how long they last. I still use them regularly.
If you do end up getting a few extra batteries I recommend maybe considering a better charger. Get the TR-001 charger. Its made by Trustfire. It works really well, and will charge 2 batteries at once. Many vendors sell it, but if your buying the "High-Drains" I know electronicstix carries it, so you could get it together and not have to pay seperate shippings.
Hope that helps and let me know if you have any more questions!
Thanks. I'm not really a huge fan of huge vapor production. I'm content with fair amount of vapors, which is a plus because I don't really have to use extremely low resistances to drain batteries fast. But just in case how long does the battery last with dual coils and 1.5 ohms? Are 3 ohms still give enough vapors for this type of battery?
Well I cant say if 3ohms will give enough vapor bc thats so subjective. To you it might, while others it might not be enough. Personally I like the lower resistances.
Oh and when I said that I get about a day to a day and a half on a battery, thats with a Ressurector, which are 1.7ohm. A dual coil will obviously be shorter. Thats why I really like the Ressurectors, bc they give amount of vapor similar to a dual coil, but dont drain your battery like a dual coil does.
I havent used a ton of different dual coils, but I generally get about a day, maybe alittle less on a dual coil.
If you are a fan of dual coils, Smoktek, not to be confused with SmokTech, makes a dual coil that is specifically designed for an E-Power. They are called EPDCC. They are 1.5ohms and hold alittle over 5ml of juice which is pretty ridiculous.
They work really well though and last a LONG time before they need to be refilled.
Oh and when I said that I get about a day to a day and a half on a battery, thats with a Ressurector, which are 1.7ohm. A dual coil will obviously be shorter. Thats why I really like the Ressurectors, bc they give amount of vapor similar to a dual coil, but dont drain your battery like a dual coil does.
I havent used a ton of different dual coils, but I generally get about a day, maybe alittle less on a dual coil.
If you are a fan of dual coils, Smoktek, not to be confused with SmokTech, makes a dual coil that is specifically designed for an E-Power. They are called EPDCC. They are 1.5ohms and hold alittle over 5ml of juice which is pretty ridiculous.
They work really well though and last a LONG time before they need to be refilled.
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No, I'm not a fan of dual coils or extremely low resistances that drain the batteries fast. So a 1.7 ohm would give you a day to day and a half. That's good enough. Two ohm types would probably do just fine with me.
I second the resurrector cartos, I am using them on my GLV SM and they are fabulous! They seem to last so long between fill ups, love that! bnrk
I would go with 3.7v right off the bat then, it is most folks favorite to vape and get the longest batt life you can find for that. Like all of us, we get tired of charging batts all the time. With my KR808 I have to charge 4 batts a day, with my GLV I charge one batt a day, big difference. bnrk
Few quick last questions on high-drain vs regular. I've searched about them and it's still not clear if one lasts longer than the other. Although the high-drain batts have lower mah ratings, do they still last longer considering they got more "power" than the standard? If high-drains are mainly used for LR attys, is it fair to assume that using them with standard resistances make them last longer? Just wondering why this kind of info is not being clarified. I mean battery life should always be a concern to most vapers, shouldn't it? What good is vaping tons of vapor using dual coils/LRs when the battery barely lasts?
Just being curious about this and I'm aware of the beauty of having a device with removable batteries. It doesn't matter what type of battery, high-drain or standard. You want more battery life? Get tons of them and put a couple in your pocket. ;-)
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Wow, lot of stuff here I can check out. I cant afford an advanced kit, I just need a basic refillable e-cig that don't use proprietary batteries or juices. I am intrigued by this "juice" that's sposed to taste like Black and Milds.
The thing you got to realise about Black and Milds, is that the Plastic Tipped ones, and the Wooden Tipped ones, BOTH have a hefty amount of SALTPETER in them - Or, USED to have a lot of SP in them... which is why they used to burn down to the tip if you set them down. This is a trick used by Cig companies, to make people buy more CIGS- Saltpeter causes the cigarette to keep burning even without being puffed on, cos it will just keep burning and burning: My brother and I used to spell our makes on a paper in Saltpeter, and burn it, and it will spell our names in Fire. I think Cig companies got in trouble abotu putting that stuff in Cigs cos it is really bad for you, but Im sure some companies still do it, cos certain cigs and cigars still burn foen to the .... when set down even if not being puffed on, which is 100% proof positive there is Saltpeter in the thing, cos no other stuff can cause a tobacco stick to burn without being puffed on.
They use this trick in Cigs, and also in the Plastic Tipped Black and Milds. They DO NOT put saltpeter in the Black and Mild CLASSICS, which come with NO TIP.
So, if this juice taste like the Classic Black and Milds with NO TIP, I'm interested - Cos the amount of saltpeter they put in the plastic and wooden tipped regular flavoured B&Ms, changes the taste, they may be putting less saltpeter in there now, but they still do it, just light up a B&M and see if it burns down to the tip, if it does, Saltpeter. If not, then it's good. Usually, the ones they sell WITHOUT tip also comes without saltpeter. And ai also stay far away from any "flavoured" B&Ms.
Now Ive been smoking the Strawberry flavoured Imperials, they last about 4 days, you get about 250 puffs out of em, so its equivalent to buying about 1 pack of cigs. Now, although I do NOT inhale B&Ms, I DO inhale the Imperial E-Cigs. And i get a nice little head rush if I make it a big one. I'm on my 4th "disposable" right now, which is pretty good for this being the 3rd week starting, and one thing I don't have to use it as often as I needed to smoke a cigar. I used to HAVE to get a cigar even if I was broke!
So, anyone just point me to what works, the cheaper the better. Found a a couple: Liberty Flights, and then these: No. 7 Go Kit - Black - ECigarettesChoice.com "Go Kit" - its less than 50, I don't care, as long as I can get batteries and juice. Maybe I can refill the Imperials, I got 3 used imperials, I got them open, looks like If I can replace the battery then I cold refill it using a syringe., it all loads from the top. These things are designed to stop working the moment the juice is gone, sometimes they keep working. Don't know how they work, but they are pretty clever, the moment they are dry, they no longer "light up.'
The thing you got to realise about Black and Milds, is that the Plastic Tipped ones, and the Wooden Tipped ones, BOTH have a hefty amount of SALTPETER in them - Or, USED to have a lot of SP in them... which is why they used to burn down to the tip if you set them down. This is a trick used by Cig companies, to make people buy more CIGS- Saltpeter causes the cigarette to keep burning even without being puffed on, cos it will just keep burning and burning: My brother and I used to spell our makes on a paper in Saltpeter, and burn it, and it will spell our names in Fire. I think Cig companies got in trouble abotu putting that stuff in Cigs cos it is really bad for you, but Im sure some companies still do it, cos certain cigs and cigars still burn foen to the .... when set down even if not being puffed on, which is 100% proof positive there is Saltpeter in the thing, cos no other stuff can cause a tobacco stick to burn without being puffed on.
They use this trick in Cigs, and also in the Plastic Tipped Black and Milds. They DO NOT put saltpeter in the Black and Mild CLASSICS, which come with NO TIP.
So, if this juice taste like the Classic Black and Milds with NO TIP, I'm interested - Cos the amount of saltpeter they put in the plastic and wooden tipped regular flavoured B&Ms, changes the taste, they may be putting less saltpeter in there now, but they still do it, just light up a B&M and see if it burns down to the tip, if it does, Saltpeter. If not, then it's good. Usually, the ones they sell WITHOUT tip also comes without saltpeter. And ai also stay far away from any "flavoured" B&Ms.
Now Ive been smoking the Strawberry flavoured Imperials, they last about 4 days, you get about 250 puffs out of em, so its equivalent to buying about 1 pack of cigs. Now, although I do NOT inhale B&Ms, I DO inhale the Imperial E-Cigs. And i get a nice little head rush if I make it a big one. I'm on my 4th "disposable" right now, which is pretty good for this being the 3rd week starting, and one thing I don't have to use it as often as I needed to smoke a cigar. I used to HAVE to get a cigar even if I was broke!
So, anyone just point me to what works, the cheaper the better. Found a a couple: Liberty Flights, and then these: No. 7 Go Kit - Black - ECigarettesChoice.com "Go Kit" - its less than 50, I don't care, as long as I can get batteries and juice. Maybe I can refill the Imperials, I got 3 used imperials, I got them open, looks like If I can replace the battery then I cold refill it using a syringe., it all loads from the top. These things are designed to stop working the moment the juice is gone, sometimes they keep working. Don't know how they work, but they are pretty clever, the moment they are dry, they no longer "light up.'
I was a Black and Mild smoker my self.. I even got cheaper and bought the new BLK cigars also.. I use to enjoy them but I felt like crap after.. I been a Vaper for about 6 months now and I stopped on the cigars about a 2 months now .. Im a heavy vaper I guess and the Cuban Cigar are Sweet Tobacco flavors are good . I use now an eGo tank type A.. Works great..
I would not buy from a site that does not include the specs of the batteries + the "Go" Kit only gives you 1 batt and no specs on it. What happens when you batt needs recharging? How long will it last? 100 mah on a single = 1 hr vaping.
Best to look at Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510 You get 2 X 650 mah batts and pay less than $45.00.
Lots of flashy websites out there with high priced knockoffs. Bottom line it's all about price BUT quality also plays a HUGE part in our decision to purchase IMO.
Jonny Vee,
Thanks for the input about the Black&Milds. I think the E-Power would be a really good kit for you. I wouldnt get that No. 7 kit that you mentioned. That is very overpriced. You can can a similar model to that for aLOT cheaper. The E-Power kit I think would easily suit your needs and then some. Its $57, which is only about $10 bucks more than the kit you mentioned and it is a million times better. It uses non-proprietary batteries, which you said you wanted and the batteries last a long time before they need to be replaced. The No. 7 kit you mentioned has small batteries that will need to be charged every few hours. The E-Power batteries last about a day to a day and a half on 1 battery, and you get 2 with the kit. The E-Power is also a 3.7V device so it will allow you to use a wide array of attys/cartos. Everything is replaceable so it really keeps maintanace costs down. E-Power batteries cost $4 for a replacement compared to eGo/Riva/kGo batteries that cost $14-20. Like I said the kit is $57 from Crystal Clear Vaping, but then you get about $25 in free stuff so its a really good deal.
Youll get a 5-pack of Ressurector cartos, which are awesome and hold 2ml of juice so they last all day.
Youll get a 30ml juice of you choice, They have the Black & Mild juice that I really like and is one of my all day vapes.
And youll get free shipping. Plus put in "ecf5off" and youll get 5% off the order.
Its a really nice PV that will give you everything your looking for, and is LOADS better than the small dinky ecigs like the No.7 you mentioned, which is barely any cheaper.
Let me know if you have any more questions
Thanks for the input about the Black&Milds. I think the E-Power would be a really good kit for you. I wouldnt get that No. 7 kit that you mentioned. That is very overpriced. You can can a similar model to that for aLOT cheaper. The E-Power kit I think would easily suit your needs and then some. Its $57, which is only about $10 bucks more than the kit you mentioned and it is a million times better. It uses non-proprietary batteries, which you said you wanted and the batteries last a long time before they need to be replaced. The No. 7 kit you mentioned has small batteries that will need to be charged every few hours. The E-Power batteries last about a day to a day and a half on 1 battery, and you get 2 with the kit. The E-Power is also a 3.7V device so it will allow you to use a wide array of attys/cartos. Everything is replaceable so it really keeps maintanace costs down. E-Power batteries cost $4 for a replacement compared to eGo/Riva/kGo batteries that cost $14-20. Like I said the kit is $57 from Crystal Clear Vaping, but then you get about $25 in free stuff so its a really good deal.
Youll get a 5-pack of Ressurector cartos, which are awesome and hold 2ml of juice so they last all day.
Youll get a 30ml juice of you choice, They have the Black & Mild juice that I really like and is one of my all day vapes.
And youll get free shipping. Plus put in "ecf5off" and youll get 5% off the order.
Its a really nice PV that will give you everything your looking for, and is LOADS better than the small dinky ecigs like the No.7 you mentioned, which is barely any cheaper.
Let me know if you have any more questions
I agree with VapoorEyes er, That was one thing I noticed. They dont list what mah the batteries are which is not a good thing. It says you get 275 puffs so its prob about a 180mah battery which will die very quickly. That thing is horribly overpriced. The E-Power batteries are 1050mah and you get 2 of them.
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