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93gc40

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http://www.tnp.sg/news/world-news/e...ocial&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1446282702

Not sure if you guys have seen this, I'm not sure how I feel about this. Hopefully it's a mech mod?

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MOD are not the problem.. IMPROPER use of the LI-ION battery is. Guess what, those same batteries are in use in REGULATED mods. And being used a MUCH higher power levels. The potential for injury from failure, of a regulated mod is higher than with a Mech, IMO. Granted the mech doesn't have circuits to fry first. You Regulated is safe people better hope the sequence of failure follows the Planned path. Get it through your heads, If you replace the juice with something more combustable, you are still sucking on a BOMB. Being digital does not REMOVE the risk, just reduces it..
 
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That's what I'm saying, as in regulated mods which are foolproof. As I mentioned they are still rare cases of regulated mods 'popping'.
I know mech mods will never be foolproof, which got me thinking now aren't mech mods redundant now? Or am I missing something?

Yes.

1:
Mech mods are fixable.

I use regulated mechs. Anything goes wrong I can replace a part and be good as new.

When you have a regulated mod that you can't open up without risk of breaking, and can't replace a part without needing glue or soldering and I guess... skill/knowhow, it seems like so many other throwaway products.

Now a mech is just a simple thing, like a bicycle; something goes wrong and you can pretty much figure out exactly what is wrong and replace the part.

2:
510 connector;
many regulated mods still use fixed centerpin 510 connector; furthermore, some of them still use thin centerpin insulators as in the common ego batteries.
I imagine a lot of units get tossed after a month or 3 just because of that, even though the unit could have worked for years otherwise.
 
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Had this copper BFM mech for a couple years...its my back up to my regulated boxes... hybrid top cap works great. Just have to make sure I use RDAs with a protruding pin. Just saying
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Just a quick reply here and thanks all for the opinions and expertise, also the insult from 93gc40, appreciate it. Anyways point is people should be aware about what they're getting into, sure any electronics will explode without proper care and usage but mods are more prone to exploding due to the wide range of builds, attys, batts you can use. So it requires more knowledge about electricity and current more than you would need with a laptop.
I'm only saying people must get educated because vaping is still on the fence and I don't want the govs to be given ammo so easily.
 

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So it requires more knowledge about electricity and current more than you would need with a laptop.
I'm only saying people must get educated because vaping is still on the fence and I don't want the govs to be given ammo so easily.

No, using a regulated mod does not require more knowledge than using a laptop.
It's eighth grade science. Using an iPhone is far far more difficult than using a Provari .
Most adults are educated.
They are the ones that do the research and vape safely. There are thousands right here on ECF.
There will always be the odd few that pee on the electric fence. It's natural selection.
Nature culls the stupid.
The government can't ban batteries so please stop with the "fear".
 
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No, using a regulated mod does not require more knowledge than using a laptop.
It's eighth grade science. Using an iPhone is far far more difficult than using a Provari .
Most adults are educated.
They are the ones that do the research and vape safely. There are thousands right here on ECF.
There will always be the odd few that pee on the electric fence. It's natural selection.
Nature culls the stupid.
The government can't ban batteries so please stop with the "fear".

Just trying to create awareness to those potential odd few.
 
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I found a vape store in town. It's a very small town and I'm surprised we have one. I was actually happy to see they wouldn't sell unregulated box mods. I get the impression they wouldn't let you buy a mech mod without also receiving an education about it either.
I'm just glad to see they care. Maybe they just don't want any lawsuits. Either way I think it's good!
 

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I'm not really sure what to say about this. In order for an explosion that could damage parts on a mech mod, there would have to be a level of compression enough to create a blast. A battery and enough heat could cause this, IF the device or atomizer was completely sealed. If anyone has ever youtubed anything, there is a video of a shorted battery venting and then finally exploding after a whole 4 minutes of shorting out. In any case, no one can really take responsibility for this, because the only generated idea that could have happened would be the user was tinkering with the device or somehow forced the battery to short, am I right?
 

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I'm not really sure what to say about this. In order for an explosion that could damage parts on a mech mod, there would have to be a level of compression enough to create a blast. A battery and enough heat could cause this, IF the device or atomizer was completely sealed. If anyone has ever youtubed anything, there is a video of a shorted battery venting and then finally exploding after a whole 4 minutes of shorting out. In any case, no one can really take responsibility for this, because the only generated idea that could have happened would be the user was tinkering with the device or somehow forced the battery to short, am I right?
Well, all sorts of things can happen, I was doing a build on my Velocity and trimming the legs last night. One of the pieces disappeared after I clipped it, even tho I thought I had a hold of it! If I had a mod opened on the same table could it fly in there without me knowing and cause a short when I inserted a battery? Stuff happens!:eek:
 

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Well, all sorts of things can happen, I was doing a build on my Velocity and trimming the legs last night. One of the pieces disappeared after I clipped it, even tho I thought I had a hold of it! If I had a mod opened on the same table could it fly in there without me knowing and cause a short when I inserted a battery? Stuff happens!:eek:

I suppose you're right. I've had a fair share of small-scale accidents where I get stuck with a piece of wire in my fingers quite often. My thumbs, index fingers, feet, all bleeding because of bloody wires. However, on the subject of the topic, I have not had a single battery vent, or even come remotely close. That's the only reason I have to question batteries blowing up, because I have much more problems with simple wires than I do batteries. I guess a little bit of knowledge on what a battery does and how it's supposed to look correctly can go a long way.
 

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I understand. It's just I'm waiting for the time when they have mods that are foolproof so this bad rep stops due to user error.

As soon as someone is smart enough to make something foolproof nature comes along and makes a better fool.
 

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Manufacturers could make mechanical mods "safer".

The biggest danger of using a mechanical mod is one exploding like a pipe bomb. An incident like this is caused by a chain of design errors, user actions, and possibly a battery fault.

- Sealed metal tubes will probably explode if a battery vents violently
- Small vents at the bottom of the tube are useless, only very large gas vents near the top have a good chance of preventing an explosion (batteries vent from their top)
- Building coils lower than 0.2 ohm will raise the amp draw exponentially and this increases risk - the power graph shows a significant change at 0.2 ohms and starts to climb vertically as resistance is reduced further
- Using cheap batteries with ultra low res coils is a certain route to high risk - it needs 30 amp batteries of guaranteed high quality
Using improved design techniques could add layers of safety.
- recessed fire buttons to help prevent accidental firing of the battery in a pocket or purse
- doing away with bottom-firing mechanisms, and returning to side-firing mechanisms; the only reason manufacturers use bottom-fire buttons is because they are easier/cheaper to make
- using side-fire buttons designed to allow venting of gas through the button, like the AltSmoke Silver Bullet uses
- using a Kick module, which has protection circuitry
- using a "hot spring", which will collapse/melt should the battery get hot enough to go into thermal runaway, thereby breaking the electrical circuit.
- using a Vape Safe fuse protection circuit​
 
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Manufacturers could make mechanical mods "safer".

The biggest danger of using a mechanical mod is one exploding like a pipe bomb. An incident like this is caused by a chain of design errors, user actions, and possibly a battery fault.

- Sealed metal tubes will probably explode if a battery vents violently
- Small vents at the bottom of the tube are useless, only very large gas vents near the top have a good chance of preventing an explosion (batteries vent from their top)
- Building coils lower than 0.2 ohm will raise the amp draw exponentially and this increases risk - the power graph shows a significant change at 0.2 ohms and starts to climb vertically as resistance is reduced further
- Using cheap batteries with ultra low res coils is a certain route to high risk - it needs 30 amp batteries of guaranteed high quality
Using improved design techniques could add layers of safety.
- recessed fire buttons to help prevent accidental firing of the battery in a pocket or purse
- doing away with bottom-firing mechanisms, and returning to side-firing mechanisms; the only reason manufacturers use bottom-fire buttons is because they are easier/cheaper to make
- using side-fire buttons designed to allow venting of gas through the button, like the AltSmoke Silver Bullet uses
- using a Kick module, which has protection circuitry
- using a "hot spring", which will collapse/melt should the battery get hot enough to go into thermal runaway, thereby breaking the electrical circuit.
- using a Vape Safe fuse protection circuit​

With the exception of better venting, every one of those valid concerns can be addressed by the user simply paying attention and understanding the gear.

No need to re invent the wheel because a happy few can't roll it.
 

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Vent holes at the bottom.... when a battery overheatd to vent it swells up sealing off the airflow from the top of the battery to the bottom where vents are on most mech tube mods. Then boom as the top usually does not have vent holes.

Yes that one would be corrected by the manufacturer.
All the others could be corrected by the user simply educating themselves before buying and using a mech.
It's not like getting a degree.
 

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Doesn't hurt to have some of the safety he suggested, I would think?

If the manufacturer wishes to address them, then sure.

But to regulate all simple devices like mechanicals to a list of requirements just because a few people are too lazy to learn and just want to look "cool" is ridiculous thinking.

I think some people are missing the entire point of a mechanical device.
I use them because they are raw and simple. If I wanted or needed more safeguards, I wouldn't have bought a mechanical mod.
 
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