Bored or annoyed by my current PVs. Recommend a new one to me

[Jerethustra]

Okay, I've been vaping for about a year and it's been amazing in getting me to quit smoking. No more smoking except for an occasional cig. My lungs are definitely thanking me!

I own a small collection of PVs now. GreenCig, eGo-T, 510 attys, and Boge Leo, in the order that I bought them

• GreenCig totally sucked.
• eGo-T was good for a while, but I quickly discovered that they're a pain in the ..... Tons of maintenance needed and lots of leaking.
• 510 (normal and LR) paired with the eGo battery was good for a while. Taste was better than eGo-T and I just dripped so leaking was less. But they stopped working well and I lost one of my eGo batteries, which made using it a bit difficult when I needed to recharge it. No passthrough on the regular batteries and the 510 batteries suck.
• Boge Leo - The taste and vapor production was much better than any others. Even better than the 510 LRs. Plus, I love the passthrough capabilities, the changing LED indicator and the nifty cap which keeps it much more sanitary. But... my attys have not lasted long at all. We're talking about 3 weeks or less before flavor gets bad. I've considered just buying more attys for the leo system, but they're a bit pricey, especially if they only last a few weeks. I tried cleaning out an atty, but was unsuccessful in making it work better. Price isn't a problem for me, but it feels like I'm wasting money.

So, what should I get next? I want something that works great. To put it simply, I'm looking for the best PV money can buy.

My criteria are: a good enough battery to last at least a full day of heavy vaping and have great flavor/throat hit/vapor production. (duh)

TL;DR: just read the last two paragraphs.

 

[StotheK]

It may be time to step to a mod. I'm pretty sure a whole bunch of people are going to say one of three things. ProVari, Darwin or a Reo

I use the ProVari all the time, and I like it. I did a review about it a while back if you're interested. There's also a subfourm here on ECF for ProVape, the makers of the ProVari.

ProVari Review Hands-on and in-depth

 

[ChuckP]

I agree with that. It comes down to what you want more than anything. Will this be a pocket carry, or strictly home use?

 

[Jerethustra]

Definitely pocket carry... although if something is really that much better, I'll be willing to consider it. I'll look into those mods too.

 

[Hoosier65]

If you're trying to stay in the same size category I'd recommend either a KGo 1100mah Kit or an eGo VV 900mah Passthrough battery. I have both and love them. If you're looking at going a step up in size and money isn't a concern, then I'd go for the ProVari. Pretty much does everything you'd ever need, and then some. Does get somewhat expensive when you start buying all the add-ons.

 

[BiancaMontgomery]

Another vote for the ProVari. And for putting it in your pocket, it does power completely down. Though...I put mine in my pocket all the time and don't bother to power it down...obvioulsy I'm walking or standing, I wouldn't do that if I was going to sit down with it in my pocket. They're just so solid and have so many awesome features. You can't really go wrong.

 

[fray]

If you are not ready to make the jump to variable voltage/wattage consider a silver bullet or a BB. CCV and madvapes also have the "bolt" which is a cheaper 18650 tube mod.

I went from an ego to a reo grand. No leaking, no dripping, good battery life with the 18650 battery, and I could fit it in my pocket. With the grand you can also experiment with different batteries to get 3.7v, 4.8v, 6v, or 7.4v

I am currently using a Darwin which is an awesome mod IMO, but just wanted to show you some options

 

[Jejune43]

You can't go wrong with a REO. I like the mini myself.

 

[zenoland]

The leaks almost got me back to analogs. Chose a Reo Grand and a Mini and life was easy again.

 

[six]

Generally speaking: Vapor production, flavor, and throat hit have more to do with your atty/carto and your juice than the device you put them on. Matching attys/cartos with juice and voltage can be tricky and often requires some trial and error. That's why VV devices are desirable for a lot of people.

You said your 510 attys stopped working well. Without knowing exactly what you mean by that, I sort of feel the need to point out that attys are a consumable. They aren't meant to last forever. Often cleaning and dry burning can bring them back to life for a cycle or two... but sometimes they just need to be thrown away and replaced.

You also mentioned you were getting a few weeks from your Leo attys and you felt they were expensive enough you wanted them to last longer. Well, I could repeat my previous paragraph. Attys are a consumable. No matter what PV you buy, you are still going to be replacing attys or cartos at regular intervals. From the most expensive VV device to the cheapest mini-e-cig, the thing that remains constant is that attys/cartos are disposable. Some last longer than others, but none are going to last forever.

Others gave you some good suggestions for mods to look in to if your heart is set on buying a new PV. The Provari and the REO both have loyal followings (I myself own a REO). The Provari is an advanced VV tube mod - The REO is a bottom feeder mod. Another mod toward the top of the price spectrum you might consider is the VVPV from notcigs. No one has one yet because they were released last week and are in production now, but it went through a lot of beta testing and comes from an experienced modder with a good reputation as a forum supplier. It is a VV top feeder mod, so it offers the best of both worlds (feeder and VV). Along with that idea, the VV REO's are probably within 8 weeks of release. They might be worth waiting for, but I suspect availability will be an issue initially (demand will be exceptionally high).

 

[iamtopher34]

Going vv is the best choice imo. Make one or buy one just try it and you can do it on the cheap like a vv box mod or a lava tube then move on to a provari or darwin

 

[Jerethustra]

Thank you all for the great replies.

Generally speaking: Vapor production, flavor, and throat hit have more to do with your atty/carto and your juice than the device you put them on. Matching attys/cartos with juice and voltage can be tricky and often requires some trial and error. That's why VV devices are desirable for a lot of people.

You said your 510 attys stopped working well. Without knowing exactly what you mean by that, I sort of feel the need to point out that attys are a consumable. They aren't meant to last forever. Often cleaning and dry burning can bring them back to life for a cycle or two... but sometimes they just need to be thrown away and replaced.

You also mentioned you were getting a few weeks from your Leo attys and you felt they were expensive enough you wanted them to last longer. Well, I could repeat my previous paragraph. Attys are a consumable. No matter what PV you buy, you are still going to be replacing attys or cartos at regular intervals. From the most expensive VV device to the cheapest mini-e-cig, the thing that remains constant is that attys/cartos are disposable. Some last longer than others, but none are going to last forever.

Others gave you some good suggestions for mods to look in to if your heart is set on buying a new PV. The Provari and the REO both have loyal followings (I myself own a REO). The Provari is an advanced VV tube mod - The REO is a bottom feeder mod. Another mod toward the top of the price spectrum you might consider is the VVPV from notcigs. No one has one yet because they were released last week and are in production now, but it went through a lot of beta testing and comes from an experienced modder with a good reputation as a forum supplier. It is a VV top feeder mod, so it offers the best of both worlds (feeder and VV). Along with that idea, the VV REO's are probably within 8 weeks of release. They might be worth waiting for, but I suspect availability will be an issue initially (demand will be exceptionally high).

I understand... attys don't last forever. It's good to hear this again. The problem with the 510s was just that, they died on me. Living in Chile, I have a lot of difficulty getting good ecig supplie. I contacted Boge and they sold me their products directly. I didn't go into further detail with the 510s because the Boge was much better. Also, the Boge atty allows me to drip more liquid into the atty than the 510... saving me time to drip. Also the tank system they have works well, for the most part.

Anyway, I have a lot of options and ideas so far. Luckily I'm going back to the states for a week soon so I'll be able to pick up some items before I return.

The Darwin looks so freaking awesome. Anyone know who has them in stock? They seem to be universally out of stock.

I might be inclined to just go for the Rio, since bottom feeding sounds very unique and much easier than dripping.

Alas, if VV is what I want, seems like the ProVari is my only option right now.

 

[D4rk50ul]

I really like my Reo Grand so obviously I would recommend it. It's not VV but there is a model coming out soon that is that I'm sure I will end up buying. I'm not really a VV type of guy though as I can get a great vape on a 3.7v device using 1.5-2.2ohm atomizers without all the extra electronic parts to go wrong. I think if you are talking about those three mods you are going to be happy regardless of what you choose.

 

[ukeman]

Bottom Feeders are definitely something you should be able to handle after a year of vaping... it's all abut knowing how juice is vaporized and if you've been dripping, bottom feeding is just an extension of that.
Voltage power watts whatever ... to resistance Ohms.

I found that the Vapage XL Vmod, takes 1 18650 and can take most 510 attys and some cartos, is super for the price; has a non leak collar and cone that is nice. I like it with IMR 18650 and LR attys.

Notcigs has their Top Feeding VVPV out for sale now; first runs are being put together this week. It's high end and the price reflects it, but it comes with 2x14500 batts internally. First Top Feed (and VV top feed) to hit the market.

If you don't want to do bottom feeding, the suggestions for a good 3.7 with LR atty/carto should be good; not to mention tanks that can come in wide range of resistances.
Then there are the VV tubes and boxes.

I find that a good regulated VV takes a lot of the guesswork out of things (you can use just about any resistance), and spoils you with great vaping; it's almost too easy.
After a year of VV, I have gotten better at using 3.7 pv's and matching resistance.

 

[John Phoenix]

Tired of your old PV? There is always...

The Wizard Stick !

Now you too can be the hit of the vape party! ( go ahead, click the link.. I double dare ya (wink)

 

[Strigoi]

If you want to try out a VV mod I'd just get one of the VV box mods from Madvapes since they're cheap. I absolutely love mine and just haven't had the desire to pony up the money for a Provari or Darwin yet. You could also consider the Maxi Roughstack V2 from Madvapes as well. It's a tube mod that you can vape at 3.7, 6.0 or 7.4 volts depending on what batteries you run in it. It can get a bit expensive once you factor in what the batteries/chargers could end up costing you though.

 

[Zombitedesade]

Looking objectively at what you've asked for: 1. Long lasting batteries. 2. You like direct dripping or at least the flavour and simplicity of the method. 3. You'll need to be able to carry it around in a pocket for ease travelling. 4. Not much fuss with attys and other delivery systems.

None of this instantly makes me think you need a reasonably complicated VV mod (in comparison from an eGo or lea), instead you want rugged reliability with a long lasting battery and is simplicity itself. In that case, the REO grand is really, the best option IMO.

It's fully mechanical and so you'll not need to worry about wiring or replacing an entire unit in anyway like you might an eGo battery for example. The grand takes AW hi-drain 18650 batteries which frankly should last you 1-2 days without any trouble, even if you are a pretty heavy Vaper. The reo also lends itself to simplicity with regards to dripping or a dripping like sensation in that an atty, a bottle juice and a bit of a 'squonk' are all you need to do.

Get a reo grand. At least 2 AW 18650's a set of Cisco 1.5 - 1.8 ohm LR atomizers and stock up on your fave juice. You'll be all set to go, not just for a few months, for life. It's all you need. Vaping perfection IMO.

 

[RippleInStillWater]

You also may want to think about rebuildable atomizers if accessories are hard to get, there are more than a few on the market now for the handy vaper.

The best simple tubes are the GLVs and SBs; Sabre's and Chuck's are OK, too........remember, you can vary the atty to get different wattages if you don't have a more expensive VV or VW device.......

And please don't hate on me, REOnauts, but there are other very good box mods out there you could also recommend...... Since I don't want a flamewar I'll see what happens!!!

 

[BiancaMontgomery]

Well, if we're suggesting bottom feeders, here's the inside of mine so you can see what the whole idea is about:




http://www.flickr.com/photos/87267225@N00/5957503187/http://www.flickr.com/people/87267225@N00/

Love my ProVari with a tank on it, but that #10 Hog will go to the grave with me I think.

 

[tj99959]

Over time i have figured out that voltage produces no flavor, no throat hit, and no vapor. All it does is produce the power, and any old battery holder can do that.

So IMHO a good quality carto tank will change your vaping experience more than any other device.