Braindamage!? Anti-freeze!? = e-liquid

[Aalsen]

I came across this article that says e-liquid contains anti-freeze. That cant be good for the body. It also says:
"E-cigarettes also consist of Tetramethylpyrazine. Prolonged exposure to
Tetramethylpyrazine can result in brain damage in human beings.

The article is here: www.primehealthchannel.com/electronic-cigarette-dangers-and-side-effects.html+nicotine+in+ecig+vs+regular+cig&cd=5&hl=no&ct=clnk&gl=no]Electronic Cigarette Dangers and Side Effects[/url]

I dont want no brain damage or anti-freeze in my system..

I know cigarettes have all that tare and unhealthy stuff, but it does not cause brain damage..

 

[frosting]

They do not contain anti-freeze. Propolyne Glycol is added to some anti-freeze to make it safer.

I also have to ask where is the evidence Tetramethylpyrazine is in them? Some random article saying so simply is not evidence. Any levels detected from the FDA study are not at levels harmful to humans. It has been shown time and time again the FDA study just wasn't a very well done study.

Relax. There is a lot of bias information out there. Some information that only applies to one brand e-ciggs not necessarily the whole industry.

 

[tj99959]

Sure hope the idiot that wrote the article never has to go visit anyone in a hospital where they use Propolyne Glycol in the ventilation system to prevent infection.

Always did think most doctors were brain dead tho'

 

[Trilly]

Considering Propolyne Glycol is in a lot of respiritoy therapies (asthma inhalers for example), INCLUDING those that my son depends on, I consider it to be safe.

Propolyne Glycol is added to many things, some safe for consumtion and some not, as for the other chemical, I have found no other articles linking it to vaping (or making vaping harmful) so I would be questioning its credibility

 

[keyzygirl]

Do some research.

 

[CES]

you can start in the ECf library...http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/156651-useful-pdfs.html

 

[jtpjc]

Silly article. Some silly comments too. But most are positive.

 

[classwife]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/156651-useful-pdfs.html

Novartis Pharmaceuticals - safety of PG:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pdf/novartis-pg.pdf

A post with useful links to material on PG:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-propylene-glycol-inhaling-17.html#post948636

Time.com article on PG as a germicide, from 1942
Link to time.com

 

[Aalsen]

Thanks for the feedback Im a little more calm now, hehe

But what about inhaling VG and flavor? My liquid consists of 24mg nic (this would naturally be with some PG) 3xflavor boost and 100%VG (vaporrenu)

 

[markfm]

Here's one site with a bit of info on VG. The safety of vegetable glycerin (VG) when inhaled through an electronic cigarette (e-cigarette). Studies on the effect of the inhalation of vegetable glycerin through a personal vaporizer.

Granted it is a PV site. You can google "glycerol safety inhalation" and you will get a bunch of valid hits.

End of the day, some people have sensitivity to PG, some have sensitivity to VG, rarely to both, and most people seem to do fine with mixtures of them. After vaping almost 17 months, coming off of smoking for about 37 years, I'm content that I'm a lot better off with vaping than smoking, and my MD agrees.

 

[spicyed]

Tetramethylpyrazine is a food additive for flavor/aroma. 2,3,5,6-tetramethyl pyrazine 1124-11-4

If concerned you might want to ask your juice vendor what flavorings they use.

 

[Nunnster]

To echo what everyone else said, If you are worried about it, do some hard research. You will find a lot of fear mongering and misinformation out there about ecigs. You just have to sort though what is real and what isnt. Long term studies have not been done because ecigs are still newer. I know for me, Ill choose 4 chemicals over 6000 any day. I know I feel better, and that is proof enough for me.

 

[spicyed]

Also as a note i tried to find a study showing brain injury due to Tetramethylpyrazine, and all that comes up is how TMP reduced brain injury in a study with rats. Has anyone seen an actual study on brain damage from this or is it just another lie?

 

[Aalsen]

Thanks

Im on the pv for a couple of weeks, then im off for a couple of months because my throat gets kind of squeezed og my voice gets light and hoarse because of the vaping. Almost sound like a hoarse woman When i stop vaping, my voice and throat gets normal again after about a week.

Its too bad, because if this was not happening, i would be analogfree for about a year now. Just startet vaping again yesterday

 

[wdave]

I came across this article that says e-liquid contains anti-freeze. That cant be good for the body. It also says:
"E-cigarettes also consist of Tetramethylpyrazine. Prolonged exposure to
Tetramethylpyrazine can result in brain damage in human beings.

The article is here: www.primehealthchannel.com/electronic-cigarette-dangers-and-side-effects.html+nicotine+in+ecig+vs+regular+cig&cd=5&hl=no&ct=clnk&gl=no]Electronic Cigarette Dangers and Side Effects[/url]

I dont want no brain damage or anti-freeze in my system..

I know cigarettes have all that tare and unhealthy stuff, but it does not cause brain damage..

Well I assume you are vaping so you must believe the article to be alarmist. Why post a lie if you don't believe it to be true? You must be really confused. You are just another carrier of fear.

 

[Aalsen]

Tetramethylpyrazine is a food additive for flavor/aroma. 2,3,5,6-tetramethyl pyrazine 1124-11-4

If concerned you might want to ask your juice vendor what flavorings they use.

Thanks. will do

 

[Aalsen]

Well I assume you are vaping so you must believe the article to be alarmist. Why post a lie if you don't believe it to be true? You must be really confused. You are just another carrier of fear.

I really dont want to believe this is true, thats why i ask what you people have heard or experienced about this..

 

[markfm]

First, make sure you drink a lot of water when vaping. That's entirely normal, hoarseness, since both PG and VG are humectants, draw ater out of you -- the vapor really is mainly water.

Second, have you tried to check to see if maybe you actually have a sensitivity? It could be to PG, or to VG, or to certain flavorings. I do know people with sensitivity to PG, and others to VG. I also know people who have flavorings sensitivity, either have to avoid one particular flavoring or find they are okay with mainly organic VG flavorings.

Overall, the site you mentioned is spewing FUD. As spicyed found, it looks like much of the information on TMP is actually that it has positive effects, not negative; the people who put up that information may just be lost in the terminology, not understand that the terms in the literature are good things.

"...e-cigarettes also contain cancer-causing compounds like nitrosamines. If the cigarette accidentally breaks, humans may be exposed to such harmful components." PV, as actually measured, contain tiny amounts of TSNA, less than or equal to those found in "safe" NRT such as patches. The site discussions about Nicotine, Marketing, and Misuse are humorous at best.

Your question is reasonable, just that the site you had found is pretty much garbage.

 

[Rainz]

Here's an interesting article that appears positive in it's analysis of Tetramethylpyrazine
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2202/7/48

As for the FDA(fed. deception alliance), I wouldn't rely on them for any good(publicly released) science info. They're all about the big $. If the truth = less profits... you won't be gettin' the truth.

 

[southernIL]

At least "I" dont have to worry about the brain damage part