Brand New 2 Week? long Vapor

[ThaWade]

Hi, so I jumped off the Big tobacco Train, 3 weeks ago(Although I've had 4 cigs in the first week and a half). I currently consider myself tobacco free.

Well, I can see that this is turning into a short biography so, I'm going to add sections for fast searching. :smiley:

-- Why did you? --
-- My Beginner Story --
-- Conclusion --
-- Questions --

Why did you?
So, since most people want to know "why did you stop smoking"" or "why did you choose to start vaping?", I'll list my reasons below.

Stopped smoking because:
1) Took a look at what they were costing me. $160-$200/month for two people. Not horrible but, I'm a cheap ....

2) Can't stand the smell of cigarettes. I always hated knowing that it was only a matter of time before I got that stank, rank smell on my clothes.

Started Vaping because:
1) Those first two of the four cigs I mentioned above were due to the fact I couldn't shake the need to pick something up and toke on it. I was using nicotine gum and that was taking care of the nicotine for the most part. I just had this excessive need to puff on something. Also, seeing the wife's smokes and my habit of grabbing a cig as I was headed out the door didn't help.

My Beginner Story
So after 10 days of fighting the urge to grab a cigarette from the wife's pack(I can't get her to quite the stinking things. :sadface: ) I stopped in my local vape shop and my journey and headache, into vaping began. The last 2 cigs I smoked were due to battery issues. :madface:

First trip, Feb. 23, 2016 I walk into my local vape shop, it went smooth (mostly). Stated I was trying to quite smoking and was looking for something for that. Long story short, I walked out with a Vision Spinner, Aspire ET-S, ego Charger, and Black Cherry Juice 50/50(house blend).
Spent $34.21, I'm thinking I robbed them, lmao.

Every thing was going pretty smooth I was enjoying it except I was getting tired of the Black Cherry.

Second trip, 4-10 days after the first day, I went in to get some juice. Sampled a few, the first guy didn't even mention I could sample flavors. Tried something with peach in it, bleh, tried their zombie brains. It was very fruity and good on the sample rig they furnished. I was in bit of a rush so I stopped sampling there. Said I would take the Zombie Brains, a Strawberry, and a Hawaiian Punch(Love the drink so I thought, mmmmm) and an extra tank. Well this is when the "headache" started. Me and the wife run over to another brick and mortar store. While we are sitting in the parking lot I throw some Hawiian Punch in my tank, fire it up, eeeeeeeeeekk that's ....ing god awful. Try it all the way home 15 - 30 min trip. Never can get it to taste very pleasant. Get to looking at the bottle, it's a Max VG mix, according to the label. But wait, didn't I read that VG is super thick and should only be used in certain tanks? Get home do some more reading. Sure enough, but, I can't find any where what the max VG/PG to run in my tank. I look at my other juices they are 70VG/30PG. So I say .... it and change the juice to one of the others. The zombie brains tastes nothing like it did in the shop. Actually none of them taste like they should, but I stick with it and "suckle" on them. Any who, one day my tank leaks in on my battery, actually, it pours. I take it all apart to clean it up, there's juice on the battery terminal get a paper towel and wipe that out, start washing everything in soapy dish water. Go back plug the battery up. Next morning I unplug it, try to use it, nothing. Go to put it back on the charger, notice a spot on the side of the charger, where it melted in the middle of the night.
Spent $30ish, starting to think vaping wasn't such a good investment.
Total now at $64ish.
For those wondering that's 6ish dollars away from 2 cartons of smokes here.

Third trip, Feb. 23, 2016, 1-3 days after second trip. Go in to get a charger. Notice the guy from his Youtube Videos. This time I ask all the questions I can think of before I walk out the door. What's the max VG/PG for this tank? How often do I need to change the coil? And about 20 other questions I can't remember now. He's really nice and answers all my questions. I walk out this time with another charger, a coil, juice, and EgoII battery for a back up.
Spent $27.28
Total now at $91ish,

Now, I'm starting to think, holy ....ing ...., I'd come out cheaper to cut my loses and start back smoking cigarettes.

Get home throw the Vision back on the charger, by this time it is completely dead. I'm sitting there and start smelling burning plastic, don't think anything of it until I remember the melting charger. Snatch the charger out of the wall, sure enough, it's melted as well. Examine the Spinner closer now, I see something wet on the terminal again. Get a paper towel and wipe it out again. Smell it, it's juice with a burnt smell. I say well hell, I burnt up two chargers, my battery must be ....ed. So I go to my trusty stash of 91% isopropyl alcohol, grab some Q-tips and clean the snot out of the battery terminal, oring everything i can get to. After I'm done cleaning I pour some alcohol on top of the terminal then turn it upside down.
The next day I make sure it's dried. Do alot of searching about the proper care of Vision Spinner and eGo batteries in general. Saw vid that said not to over tighten the battery onto the charger....

Fourth trip, the day after the last day, and 9 days before this post. Ask the guy in there this time to show me how to connect the battery to the charger, he ratchets it down just like I was doing. I grab 2 chargers and ..... Seems like I got something else but can't remember.
Spent $8.54 breath a sigh of relief, finally came out of that shop under $20, under $10 even.
Nice! Pat myself on the back.

4 visits and every time it was a different person.

Conclusion
So, I've used up all the juice I had except what's left in my tank I'm currently working on.
Have nearly all the Hawiian Punch left (horrible stuff). But I still can't get the 70VG/30PG to vape well at all. The most I can I hope for is 2 very slow, long puffs before I get that burnt taste, under 3.3v - 3.8v. with 4.3v - 4.8v I just hope for 1 good hit, usually doesn't happen unless I just reassembled the tank and have my coil primed.

I'm 2 days no nic, and one day minimal vaping, like 5, 6-8 second vapes today. Because I don't want to go back to the shop and drop more money also, i've just been to lazy to leave the house today. I've been researching DIY juice, I'm seriously considering it. I'm also considering the RBA side of vaping. I like tinkering just not sure I would like it to get my nic fix. :smiley:

Questions
1a) What juice mix % works the best for you in the ET-S?
50/50 Works great for me, 70VG/30PG barely at all.
1b) If you say 70VG/30PG works for you in the ET-S,
How do you vape(your puffs)? Hard and slow? Slow and Steady?
Do you cover a air hole? Or let full air?

2) Is there a setup out there that will let me take a hard fast draw? and a slow draw when I just want to 0 nic it and cloud it up?
That's how I smoked, and I'm getting annoyed with these baby puffs I'm having to take.

3) DIY Juicing - I'm trying to save even more money, I'm a cheap ....
3a) Have you bought from these companies?
liquidbarn.com - Pros: Nicotine, made in USA. Nicely laid out site. Decent prices on flavors.
Cons: Smallest size is 120ml. Not a lot flavors also a pro for a noob

bulkapothecary - Pros: Cheap VG and PG if purchasing 1 gal. or more.
Cons:No nicotine. Unsure if flavors are vape safe.

myfreedomsmokes.com - Pros: Everything you need in one spot. Tons of flavors.
Cons: Prices are slightly high. Tons of flavors.
nicotinelabs.com - Pros: Descent prices. Small quantities(60ml) of Nicotine, VG and PG to keep the cost of first time screw ups down. A good bit of flavorings.
Cons: Where does the Nicotine come from? What's in it? Cost of flavorings seems a little high.

3b)If yes, then what was the experience like?

3c) How was quality of the product you purchased?

Wow, sorry for writing a short book. Hopefully there aren't a ton of grammatical errors.
If you read this far. Thank you. Here's a for your thoughts.

 

[dcfluegel]

howdy! and welcome! you're in the right place

 

[HotRodCarts]

Welcome.

 

[ThaWade]

howdy! and welcome! you're in the right place

Welcome.

Thank you.

 

[BrotherBob]

Welcome and glad you joined.
Might like to read below. Should answer all questions excluding which vendor is more cost effective.:
Beginner | Guide To Vaping
What is Vaping? The Definitive Guide | Vaping Cheap
E Cigarette Academy: User Guides and Tutorials For Beginner and Intermediate Vapers
(4) Good Starter Setups for a Beginning Vapor | E-Cigarette Forum
(10) Advancing Up the Vaping Ladder with Egos and Mods | E-Cigarette Forum
One Stop Reference Shop For New and Experienced Vapers

DIY:
DIY Resources
dannyv45's blog | E-Cigarette Forum
Hoosier's blog | E-Cigarette Forum
First DIY Order

 

[suprtrkr]

Hi and welcome.

 

[ThaWade]

@BrotherBob Thanks for the taking the time to reply and for all the links.
@suprtrkr Hi and thanks

 

[daviedog]

Couldn't read the whole thing.
If you avoided cigarettes it was a Good investment..

 

[speedy_r6]

There aren't a whole lot of tanks on a vision spinner that are going to be able to just give you that hard fast draw. Most of the tanks that will give you that much airflow are sub-ohm tanks and will not work on the spinner. If you want something that will be able to fire the sub-ohm tank, you are going to need a mod capable of it. I know that probably isn't what you want to hear, but that is the reality of the situation. On a good note, if you decide you want to get something capable of firing those tanks, 30w isticks are pretty cheap and will fire down to 0.5 ohms if I remember right. For a setup with a kanger subtank mini and a 30w istick, I think it would be just under 60 bucks. Again, it is more money being spent, but if it gives you the vape you want and keeps you away from the stink sticks, it is well worth it. In vaping, the up front cost is high, but once you find the equipment that works for you, it gets A LOT cheaper than smoking(unless you catch a case of shiny-itis).

The expensive part of vaping is finding the equipment that works for you. Once you have that, it gets a whole lot better.

As for your other question on pg/vg, 50/50 is probably going to be about as high of vg as you can run before you start running into issues.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I think a lot started just like you, myself included. As to the money, I spent the same as you and I was comfortable to continue, so long as I did not smoke. I spent about the same for the next 2 months figuring things out. I gotta say, buying online is cheaper.

I wrote down the subjects I needed to learn about and read. I read a lot. EVERYDAY. I still read a lot.

Part of the problem is figuring out what you like. But, then we realize, what is there to like? What can I like in a mod, what about toppers, juice, size, juices, clouds, etc.

Just don't smoke. You will probably spend money in regret, but just don't smoke.

Glad you are here.

 

[kross8]

ThaWade,,

welcome,, and you made me laugh my .... off in sympathy for you,, noting that if i had gone through what you did,,, i would have gone nuts and my family likely to put me up for adoption.

i am a 'noob' in vaping,, (35years 2PAD),,, i too am messing around with DIY as well as buying ejuice online and a few times at B&M,,

DIY interests me for cheapness AND because what if the communist/american politicians win against vapers??? everyone will be SOL,,,

i read a post while back where someone had stock piled enough NIC to last his entire life.. (i am not doing that,, mostly because i am working Down the Nic scale naturally,, with my taste buds).

i am by nature a cheap tightwad and have plenty of money,, but i cant shake the memories of when i was dirt poor and try to always be prepared if it were to happen again. (i have no bills,, a good income our cars/trucks & home are paid for,, so was the bike & boat before we sold them)... but that taste of being poor has never left me.

good luck on your journey!

 

[vir]

After 3 months, I found out that i am not saving any money over analogs but hey you can't put a price on your health.

 

[ufosnowcat]

hi there
cant comment on the tank or batteries but for the DIY juice

you don't need to get it all from 1 store

the ingredients are the same wherever you get them, as long as you get pharma grade (there are different names for that one) get it as cheap as you can.
nicotine in the usa have a look at Nude Nicotine - Chemically Validated and Artfully Concocted Electronic Cigarette Liquid there are others of cource but i don't know the us market
and flavours so many options have a look in the juice section of the forum

you can go from 5-8€ for 10ml brand liquid to less than 1€ DiY
mix wat you want, and if you don't like it 1 its your fault 2 toss it it didn't cost you an arm and a legg ;p

 

[Falconeer]

Welcome to the forum. I well remember the early frustrating stage. I went through it some three or four years ago and, for me, it involved wasting money on cig-a-likes then ego pen type devices. I went back to smoking for a few years after this frustrating foray.

I think at what this stage you need is a straightforward set up, which you can fine tune to suit your old style of smoking ( as like me you seemed to enjoy and miss the activities of smoking rather than the nicotine per se), which you can learn to enjoy, which is plug and play, and which the battery of will last you all day.

I'd suggest the old standby by of an iStick 30w, a Nautilus Mini Tank and a 5 pack of spare coils. The iStick has what is called "pass through" which means via its lead you can still vape it while it is charging...and you should never leave any device unattended while it is charging btw for safety reasons.

Work with that for a week then buy another set up the same as a back up/day about alternative. Learn to work, get the best out of, and enjoy the set up sticking with it for a few weeks/months while you research where else you might want to go.

If it's really not nicotine that you want - buy some Pharma Grade Glycerine ( any chemist), add 20% water to it, shake well then add the same volume of PG (Walmart if you are in America) again shake well, load up a tank and vape it.

The taste will be very subtle...if you don't like it straight you can then look at flavourings, bearing in mind nothing is going to taste exactly like burning tobacco. If you find you need some nicotine in your mix for either hit and throat hit, then buy some nic liquid then use an on line DIY E Liquid calculator to mix.

Good luck and don't give up!

An Important PS ( casting my mind back to my first iStick) when you first charge and fit your iStick it will fire at full power unless you set it - in my eagerness to use it for the first time I skipped this bit in the instructions. Set it to begin with either around 3.7 volts or around 7- 10 watts, see how you get on and work up slowly if you feel you need to.

 

[djsvapour]

The reason many people use seemingly unnecessary box mods and large tanks is for reliability and quality of vape.
Everything about your post says.... you are making the same mistakes we made, except we had no choice as the technology developed with us, so we had to suffer many falls to reach the end of the road...

A Vision Spinner and an ET-S tank is somewhere from the dark days of unreliable batteries, bad atomizers, juice leaking and general vaping frustration. If you are determined to stick with these products and consider your road at an end with only liquids to sort out, I will pray for you.

Harsh, but honest. 'Tough Love.'

 

[ThaWade]

There aren't a whole lot of tanks on a vision spinner that are going to be able to just give you that hard fast draw. Most of the tanks that will give you that much airflow are sub-ohm tanks and will not work on the spinner. If you want something that will be able to fire the sub-ohm tank, you are going to need a mod capable of it. I know that probably isn't what you want to hear, but that is the reality of the situation. On a good note, if you decide you want to get something capable of firing those tanks, 30w isticks are pretty cheap and will fire down to 0.5 ohms if I remember right. For a setup with a kanger subtank mini and a 30w istick, I think it would be just under 60 bucks. Again, it is more money being spent, but if it gives you the vape you want and keeps you away from the stink sticks, it is well worth it. In vaping, the up front cost is high, but once you find the equipment that works for you, it gets A LOT cheaper than smoking(unless you catch a case of shiny-itis).

The expensive part of vaping is finding the equipment that works for you. Once you have that, it gets a whole lot better.

As for your other question on pg/vg, 50/50 is probably going to be about as high of vg as you can run before you start running into issues.

@speedy_r6 Thanks for replying. The bit about sub ohms and all is exactly what I wanted to hear, kinda. I've been watching tons of Youtube reviews on all types of mods and tanks and seriously considering buying a sub-ohm setup. Since they looked to be getting some better draws. But being a noob didn't want to spend $60 - $150 on a setup and be even less happy.

Yes, I was just having this discussion with the wife after visiting the shop for more juice. She said she didn't see how it was cheaper. I said well as soon as I can stop buying "hardware" it should be quite a bit cheaper.
Also, asked the guy in the shop about mods and all, he was pretty much no help in deciding for sure, but recommended some mods to research. Completely forgot the names now. :/

LOL, yeah I had come to the same conclusion after 30ml of juice. It was a horrible experience. No matter what I tried 70/30 - vg/pg is just to much VG for the ET-S, in my noob opinion. Although the guy in the shop told me 70VG/30PG should work fine but he wouldn't go higher VG than that.
I got 60ml 50/50 6mg/ml nic for $15 so saved some money today. Versus my usual juice purchases at least.

 

[ThaWade]

I think a lot started just like you, myself included. As to the money, I spent the same as you and I was comfortable to continue, so long as I did not smoke. I spent about the same for the next 2 months figuring things out. I gotta say, buying online is cheaper.

I wrote down the subjects I needed to learn about and read. I read a lot. EVERYDAY. I still read a lot.

Part of the problem is figuring out what you like. But, then we realize, what is there to like? What can I like in a mod, what about toppers, juice, size, juices, clouds, etc.

Just don't smoke. You will probably spend money in regret, but just don't smoke.

Glad you are here.

@Frenchfry1942 I've been reading a lot as well, just not as much as I should. I'm not going back to smoking, if anything I'll jump back on the nic gum and just try to cut out nic altogether. Thanks for having me and replying.

ThaWade,,
welcome,, and you made me laugh my .... off in sympathy for you,, noting that if i had gone through what you did,,, i would have gone nuts and my family likely to put me up for adoption.

i am a 'noob' in vaping,, (35years 2PAD),,, i too am messing around with DIY as well as buying ejuice online and a few times at B&M,,

DIY interests me for cheapness AND because what if the communist/american politicians win against vapers??? everyone will be SOL,,,

i read a post while back where someone had stock piled enough NIC to last his entire life.. (i am not doing that,, mostly because i am working Down the Nic scale naturally,, with my taste buds).

i am by nature a cheap tightwad and have plenty of money,, but i cant shake the memories of when i was dirt poor and try to always be prepared if it were to happen again. (i have no bills,, a good income our cars/trucks & home are paid for,, so was the bike & boat before we sold them)... but that taste of being poor has never left me.

good luck on your journey!

@kross8 Haha, glad to make you laugh, that should add some years to your life(laughter is the best medicine after all ).

DIY interests me for 3 reasons. 1) Saving money 2) I will know exactly what I'm inhaling. 3) I like to do things myself. And a saying I live by is "If you want something done right. Do it yourself."

I was initially going to get the biggest jug of Nicotine I could afford but after more research I found out that Nicotine oxidizes. Wasted money is not saved money. I have a six year old child so storing it in the fridge is a no go. There's no need in taking an unnecessary risk with a childs well being to save a few bucks.

After 3 months, I found out that i am not saving any money over analogs but hey you can't put a price on your health.

@vir Hopefully sooner or later I'll be saving some money. Or at the very least having more fun.

hi there
cant comment on the tank or batteries but for the DIY juice

you don't need to get it all from 1 store

the ingredients are the same wherever you get them, as long as you get pharma grade (there are different names for that one) get it as cheap as you can.
nicotine in the usa have a look at Nude Nicotine - Chemically Validated and Artfully Concocted Electronic Cigarette Liquid there are others of cource but i don't know the us market
and flavours so many options have a look in the juice section of the forum

you can go from 5-8€ for 10ml brand liquid to less than 1€ DiY
mix wat you want, and if you don't like it 1 its your fault 2 toss it it didn't cost you an arm and a legg ;p

@ufosnowcat I've got 3 or 4 stores picked out to buy from.

Thanks, I wasn't sure if some ingredients (PG, VG and Nicotine) were better at one place or another. Most of those things have descent reviews at all the vendors I checked though.

$6 for 10ml at my local shop for house brand. $15.99 if I get 30ml. Got a good deal today though 60ml for $15.99 And yes, I think I could make a few simple 1 flavor recipes I would really enjoy. My favorite local B&M house blend is Black Cherry, simple, yet the best I've tried there. My first try at DIY is going to be a Green Apple of some kind. Then if that goes well, a Green Apple with Peanut Butter, it's a Southern thing. But I haven't even started yet and I'm getting ahead of myself.
Thanks for replying.

 

[ThaWade]

Welcome to the forum. I well remember the early frustrating stage. I went through it some three or four years ago and, for me, it involved wasting money on cig-a-likes then ego pen type devices. I went back to smoking for a few years after this frustrating foray.

I think at what this stage you need is a straightforward set up, which you can fine tune to suit your old style of smoking ( as like me you seemed to enjoy and miss the activities of smoking rather than the nicotine per se), which you can learn to enjoy, which is plug and play, and which the battery of will last you all day.

I'd suggest the old standby by of an iStick 30w, a Nautilus Mini Tank and a 5 pack of spare coils. The iStick has what is called "pass through" which means via its lead you can still vape it while it is charging...and you should never leave any device unattended while it is charging btw for safety reasons.

Work with that for a week then buy another set up the same as a back up/day about alternative. Learn to work, get the best out of, and enjoy the set up sticking with it for a few weeks/months while you research where else you might want to go.

If it's really not nicotine that you want - buy some Pharma Grade Glycerine ( any chemist), add 20% water to it, shake well then add the same volume of PG (Walmart if you are in America) again shake well, load up a tank and vape it.

The taste will be very subtle...if you don't like it straight you can then look at flavourings, bearing in mind nothing is going to taste exactly like burning tobacco. If you find you need some nicotine in your mix for either hit and throat hit, then buy some nic liquid then use an on line DIY E Liquid calculator to mix.

Good luck and don't give up!

An Important PS ( casting my mind back to my first iStick) when you first charge and fit your iStick it will fire at full power unless you set it - in my eagerness to use it for the first time I skipped this bit in the instructions. Set it to begin with either around 3.7 volts or around 7- 10 watts, see how you get on and work up slowly if you feel you need to.

The reason many people use seemingly unnecessary box mods and large tanks is for reliability and quality of vape.
Everything about your post says.... you are making the same mistakes we made, except we had no choice as the technology developed with us, so we had to suffer many falls to reach the end of the road...

A Vision Spinner and an ET-S tank is somewhere from the dark days of unreliable batteries, bad atomizers, juice leaking and general vaping frustration. If you are determined to stick with these products and consider your road at an end with only liquids to sort out, I will pray for you.

Harsh, but honest. 'Tough Love.'

@Falconeer @djsvapour
I'm definitely not determined to stick with one particular thing until I find something I love. I've been debating the sub-ohm stuff. Mostly something like the Kanger TopBox mini starter kit, comes with prebuilt coils and an RBA so if I decided to give that a try it would already be there. But from all the different mods I've seen that one seems not to be that great. The iJoy Solo Mini really caught my eye with it's "Taste Control" feature. It seemed to work even better than Temp Control. And looked noob friendly. Still researching all the different mods and things though, so who knows what I will end up with. There are just so many options out there.

I'm thinking getting a 75W mod at the least. That way I should be covered no matter where I may decide to go with this in the future. Tanks are a whole other beast.

Definitely would like to know of any and all setups you all recommend. I'm not going to make another purchase without doing extensive research on the product either way. Just would be nice to have your experiences with different hardware as a base.

PS. If I should open a new post in Vaping Hardware for my hardware questions please let me know and I will do that a.s.a.p.

 

[ufosnowcat]

I was initially going to get the biggest jug of Nicotine I could afford but after more research I found out that Nicotine oxidizes. Wasted money is not saved money. I have a six year old child so storing it in the fridge is a no go. There's no need in taking an unnecessary risk with a childs well being to save a few bucks.

the worst things for nic long term storage are air and light
if you keep your nic (lets say 100mg/ml on pg) in a dark glass bottle filled to the brim with a decent top store it preferrably in a dark space it will be good for years (after 3 yeaars it might acually be 97mg/ml nic, i dont think one would notice.
so why the freezer, cold slows down chemical reactions (the pg dousnt freeze in a nomal freezer (needs -55C for that)) so in the freezer its possible it reaches that 97 level after 5 to 10 years (+its usually dark in there ;p

most of us storing in the freezer are doing a sort of doomsday prep for comming regulations that might make it very had to get nic

Definitely would like to know of any and all setups you all recommend. I'm not going to make another purchase without doing extensive research on the product either way. Just would be nice to have your experiences with different hardware as a base.

my wife and doughter have a kangertech kbox mini (the one that comes with the set) i like the mods but miss ss316 temp control
not to fond of the tank (ours leaks easely something with the coils)
i'm using a cuboid, like the possibility to go to higher wattages use any kind of temp control .. (im using ti and ss temp control and wattage mode) to use tanks like the smok tfv4 to their pottential you need more than the 75w - max a single battery mod can provide

in this i would advise you to look at the cuboid and the rx200 +- same price range solid devices

 

[ThaWade]

the worst things for nic long term storage are air and light
if you keep your nic (lets say 100mg/ml on pg) in a dark glass bottle filled to the brim with a decent top store it preferrably in a dark space it will be good for years (after 3 yeaars it might acually be 97mg/ml nic, i dont think one would notice.
so why the freezer, cold slows down chemical reactions (the pg dousnt freeze in a nomal freezer (needs -55C for that)) so in the freezer its possible it reaches that 97 level after 5 to 10 years (+its usually dark in there ;p

most of us storing in the freezer are doing a sort of doomsday prep for comming regulations that might make it very had to get nic



my wife and doughter have a kangertech kbox mini (the one that comes with the set) i like the mods but miss ss316 temp control
not to fond of the tank (ours leaks easely something with the coils)
i'm using a cuboid, like the possibility to go to higher wattages use any kind of temp control .. (im using ti and ss temp control and wattage mode) to use tanks like the smok tfv4 to their pottential you need more than the 75w - max a single battery mod can provide

in this i would advise you to look at the cuboid and the rx200 +- same price range solid devices

Thanks for that info on the Nicotine. I searched but never could find any definitive answer as to what would happen or how long it would take. Now to find my notes I made about the size and how long it would last me at my current usage.

Great, thanks for the hardware suggestions I will definitely add those to my list.

While I was replying I looked up the cuboid and rx200. Have you upgraded the cuboid to the V3.10 firmware? Wondering how well it handles 200W with only 2 batteries versus the RX200 that uses 3.