Brand new to this forum and the world of mods

[strykernippz]

Hi everyone! I have been an ego user for a while now and recently decided I wanted a better vape. I have two vamo v5's coming in the Mail. I also have two efest v2 2000mah 18650s, Igo w's from v-apes with coils they made, an i4 intellicharger, and 32g kanthal wire. Being new I'm just starting to research and gather a knowledge base to get the best out of it all. I know practically nothing as to making coils, and how they relate to or work with different watts or volts. Or what a safe base line to start out with is as far as those things. I do know that the igos came with dual coil wraps in them. Should I get better or higher mah batteries or any other supplies? Any and all information regarding anything or links are greatly appreciated!

 

[Nataani]

Your vamos wont fire anything under 1.3 ohms, so its hard for you to get into any danger zone.

The batteries you have bought have a maximum discharge rate of 10 amps, should you ever try to use them in a mech this means that you cant use them on any build lower than 0.7 ohms in resistance.

The best batteries you can get right now are the Sony US18650VTC4, or VTC5 if you can track them down, also the Efest 1600mah, or Efest 35 amp (purple wrapper).

The mah of batteries only indicates how much charge it can hold. You can get 3500 mah batteries that can barely handle 1.0 ohms. Your best bet is to check one of the many lists of batteries and their amp limits in order to make sure you know what your getting, my blog has a relatively comprehensive list in it.

I also should point out that your Igo ws are going to come with miniscule pin sized air holes. These are holes are basically useless for any reasonable coil, even ones at 1.8 ohms. Your going to need to drill those out to a larger size. With a vamo in mind, and not building anything under 1.3, I would suggest drilling them out to 1/16th inch, or maybe 5/64th if you like an airier draw.

 

[strykernippz]

I had them drill bigger holes, I'm sorry I forgot to mention that they were drilled to 1.6 or 1.8 I believe, are you saying these efest batteries are useless in this mod? I don't even know how to know the ohms of my coils, I can take pictures of what they look like if that will help. And if you could tell me your blog so I can look at the battery list. I'm trying to stay as relatively cheap as possible for now although I do know that batteries are not something to skimp on, but that's also about all I know about batteries lol. Also, should I be going for flat or button tops?

 

[SleeZy]

I had them drill bigger holes, I'm sorry I forgot to mention that they were drilled to 1.6 or 1.8 I believe, are you saying these efest batteries are useless in this mod? I don't even know how to know the ohms of my coils, I can take pictures of what they look like if that will help. And if you could tell me your blog so I can look at the battery list. I'm trying to stay as relatively cheap as possible for now although I do know that batteries are not something to skimp on, but that's also about all I know about batteries lol. Also, should I be going for flat or button tops?

For vamo they're okay. For an Mechanical mod they're not so good.
Vamo won't fire a coil under 1.3 ohms. In mech mods people like to subohm (under 1 ohm) for massive clouds, but it's dangerous if you don't know what you are doing. But on vamo you can't do that.
Vamo got an inbuild ohmchecker And if you're gonna wrap you're own coils you must get an ohm checker or multimeter. Vamo got one inbuilt as said, but those small black ohm checkers are a good build stand.

If you failed to build your coil above 1.3, the vamo won't fire. Just to protect you.
And don't buy cheap batteries. that's the only place you should NOT be cheap on.

Edit: Sony VTC4 or 5 if you find them.
AW IMR
Efest
And i believe panasonic had a good pair but i don't remember their name.
flat or button shouldn't matter as far as i know. (still kind of new aswell) I let someone else answer to that.

 

[strykernippz]

Does the vamo not have good cloud potential?? I bought two aw imrs and they are on their way , can I rely on the built in ohm meter when making my coils?

 

[SleeZy]

Does the vamo not have good cloud potential?? I bought two aw imrs and they are on their way , can I rely on the built in ohm meter when making my coils?

Yea you should be able to rely on it.
And vamo does got good cloud potential, just not subohm extremes.
Try a 1.5ohm coil with higher volt / wattage and you'll get some nice clouds. It also depends on what juice you got. Higher VG gives more vapor.

 

[Nataani]

If using them in a regulated mod it is advisable to get button top batteries.

Ohm checking is done via an external device, as mentioned above, the vamo can do that for you, however its accuracy is up for debate. That said, also as mentioned above, it wont fire if its too low resistance, which mitigates the needs for a dedicated ohm meter.

A vamo does have potential for decent clouds. However, you need to keep in mind that your not ever going to compete with those using sub ohm builds on mechanical mods.

With regards to cloud chasing. While most people only talk about resistance when referring to clouds, there are two other very important variables:
1) Wick to wire contact. The more surface area you can get in contact with your wicks, the better, the more juice can be supplied and thus the more juice can be vaporized.
2) Air flow - This is the big one, far more important than resistance. Without good air flow you will never get good vapor production. 1.6mm is about equivalent to 1/16th of an inch. If you build to the limit of your device, 1.3 ohms, you may want to further increase your air holes to 2mm

 

[strykernippz]

If I were to swap out my vamo for a different or truer mech mod, what would be my best bet for the money? My girlfriends friend said to get a k101, i was also maybe looking at sentinel clone? I'm not trying to chase huge clouds I would just like something that will produce more vapor than my ego, and will also have wider versatility than I guess the vamo will have.

 

[strykernippz]

And also what type of meter should I be trying to find? A tradition one or one built for atomzers?

 

[Nataani]

If I were to swap out my vamo for a different or truer mech mod, what would be my best bet for the money? My girlfriends friend said to get a k101, i was also maybe looking at sentinel clone? I'm not trying to chase huge clouds I would just like something that will produce more vapor than my ego, and will also have wider versatility than I guess the vamo will have.

Producing vapor comes more down to the build you do and the type of atomizer you use, rather than the mod itself.

As an example, 1.4 ohms, which is not crazy low, on a genesis style atomizer with 5/64th airholes will produce a fair amount of vapor. The only advice I can really give there is to poke around on youtube or these forums and see what people are doing. If you have specific questions, just post and as you have seen, people will do their best to answer you.

If you get your heart set on a mech mod, then the K101 is a very, very good starting point. They are telescopic, which means that you can use any 18xxx battery with them and they are very robust. Just make absolutely sure its the k101 you get, and not a k100, the difference between them is night and day.

The sentinal is a decent mod. However the clones are known to have issues with their firing buttons, so it can be hit or miss. The same goes for another very popular mod, the nemesis.

And also what type of meter should I be trying to find? A tradition one or one built for atomzers?

You would want one like this:

2-in-1 Ohm & Voltage Meter

 

[strykernippz]

Is there any other reasonably priced mod you would equate to the k101? I don't quite fully understand the adjustability of it or how it works, and for what its worth I kind of hate the physical look of the k101, I just saw a k103 or k102 and those are more my style or what I'd at least like to be my style lol.

 

[Nataani]

Personally I would not recommend the k102, or the k103. If you are set on them, then go for the k102 over the other.

The K103 is a 18490 mod, meaning that you can only use that type of battery in it reliably. The K102 supports 18650 batteries, a much better battery type.

The K101 is a telescopic mod, which means that the silver tube screws down into the colored shaft. So the length of the mod can be adjusted to any battery type. This is a very useful feature. A lot of mods will rattle depending on the type of battery you put in them. Take the K102 for example, the length of the tube is fixed, so if you put a button top battery in it, the battery will fit snug. If you put a flat top battery in it, the battery is slightly shorter so the battery will rattle inside the mod.

The best option if your not wanting a k101 is, IMO, the private v2.

Private V2 Mod Clone

It is also telescopic, and is relatively problem free.

 

[strykernippz]

I like that a lot better than the k101, now my only question that if I were to get it, do I just throw a battery in and build whatever coils? I'd be using that with the aw imr 18650, and that this is just a mech Mod and not one with variable voltage or wattage? Or does it fire at a fixed wattage or voltage

 

[Nataani]

Mech mods output whatever the battery can deliver. So a fixed voltage.

At a full charge a battery will output 4.2 volts. Over time that voltage will diminish, on average it will output 3.7 volts.

When you receive it, just put your battery in, tighten down the tubes, and go.

Which AW IMR battery are you going to be using? Specifically, what mah rating does it have?

 

[strykernippz]

They are 2000mah, can it handle dual or quad or micro coils if and when I learn to build them? Will those efests work in this mod? Have you ordered from this site or know how fast or slow their shipping is?

 

[Nataani]

The AW 2000 mah can handle a maximum of 10 amps discharge. This means that the lowest you can build on it is a 0.42 ohm coil.

Any 18650 battery will work with that mod, 18650 is a designation of size, 18 mm wide by 650 mm tall. The only caveat is that button tops add a little bit of length.

Ok dual, quad, micro...

It actually doesnt matter at all how many coils you put into a device, what matters is what the final resistance of the build is.

Lets say you have 8 coils that are exactly the same. You put one of those coils in an RDA and measure the resistance, lets say it measures 2.0 ohms. If you now do a dual coil set up with those coils, your final resistance will be halved, so 1.0 ohms. If you did a quad coil with those coils your resistance would be quartered, so a final resistance of 0.5 ohms. If you could somehow get 8 coils into the device the resistance would be 1/8th of the single coil, so 0.25 ohms.

As long as you maintain a total resistance that is higher than 0.42 ohms, you will be fine, regardless of the number of coils you have.

A micro coil is something alltogether different, and is a name that I absolutely hate. When people refer to micro coils they are usually really talking about contact coils. Again, it really doesnt matter what the coil looks like, as long as the total resistance is above what your device can handle.

Heck, I could build a coil in the shape of a bunny, and as long as it is higher than the resistance my battery can handle, no problem. Of course, wicking a bunny shaped coil may be difficult, which would result in a whole host of other problems.

Regarding budgetvapor, they have decent shipping, they use USPS with either priority or first class shipping, so it very much depends on where you are located. I have recieved packages from them within 3 business days.

 

[strykernippz]

Alright, I'm trying to buy them off that link but its telling me no payment options are available at the time, I don't know if that means they're out of stock or what. I thank you immensely for you help and information, is there an equation you used to figure out the minimal ohms?

 

[Nataani]

The equation in question is Ohm's Law

Voltage (volts) = Current (amps) * Resistance (ohms)

Always assume that the voltage of a battery will be its maximum, which is 4.2 volts when fully charged.

Use the maximum discharge rating of the battery as your current value.

So in the case of the AW IMR 2000 mah, which has a maximum discharge rate of 10 amps:

4.2 volts = 10 amps * Resistance

4.2 / 10 = resistance

0.42 ohms = lowest resistance possible.

There are many lists that you can use to find that maximum discharge rating of batteries. In my blog I have compiled a comprehensive list of batteries, included is the lowest resistance you can use with those batteries.

 

[strykernippz]

Do you know of anywhere else that will have them? Do you discourage against a sentinel m16 clone? I found both mods on eciggity and the sentinel is a bit more my price range, ive found cheaper v2s but theyre only stainless and brass(although I think those have brass connections and I heard that may be better) or theyre sold out. Or and eBay buying.

 

[Nataani]

The sentinel m16 is a perfectly good mod, just beware that some clones have had issues with their firing buttons shocking users. A bit hit or miss.

Brass connections are indeed better than stainless steel.

As far as I can see the private is usually cheaper than the sentinel.