Break in period?

[GreySaber]

How long do these things take to break in?

I just got a yeti... (Yes, I'm sucking on a yeti...) And so far, it's not quite as good as my 901. OK, I just ran out of charge on my first battery, so I imagine the newness is the reason. (I did the 9 hour sharge-half hour use-recharge I'm hear about on the forum, and been vaping on it off and on all day.... The other one is now in the process of getting it's long charge.)

But even so, the 901s I've had a week seem about as good... so either you buggers have been exzaggerating, or I'm doing something different. Do you guys top off with juice every 15 minutes or something?

 

[a2dcovert]

Does it perform the same with either atomizer? By the way that charging process they tell you to do is BS. Just charge until the light turns green. Li-Ion batteries do not trickle charge, once the light turns green it is through charging.

Kevin

 

[GreySaber]

Does it perform the same with either atomizer? By the way that charging process they tell you to do is BS. Just charge until the light turns green. Li-Ion batteries do not trickle charge, once the light turns green it is through charging.

Kevin

I'll play it safe with the batteries, since so many seem to think it a good idea, (Even ones who agree with you in princible and are aware of the idea that they ought not to need it.)

As to the second atmo, I haven't tried it yet.

I suspect I'm running out of juice much faster.... This manual battery stuff is WEIRD. I finally got used to automatic ones... and then I get one of these!

 

[RsL]

I'll play it safe with the batteries, since so many seem to think it a good idea, (Even ones who agree with you in princible and are aware of the idea that they ought not to need it.)

As to the second atmo, I haven't tried it yet.

I suspect I'm running out of juice much faster.... This manual battery stuff is WEIRD. I finally got used to automatic ones... and then I get one of these!

Yes, 510s burn through the juice. Yes, there is a break-in period. Stick with the same atomizer for a couple days at least before you try the other one.

 

[a2dcovert]

Others have noticed that some of the 510 atomizers vape differently than others. My first 2 atomizers were much weaker than the second 2. I wasn't aware of this until I bought my second kit. The atomizers on the second kit were much better than the first kit. I should have had them replaced but I didn't know I had a problem.

Believe me on the batteries or not, look it up yourself. Li-Ion batteries are very fragile. They have a protection circuit built-in to prevent over discharging and over charging. Once the green light comes on the cycle is complete and the battery has terminated the charge cucle.

Kevin

 

[KreeL]

Does it perform the same with either atomizer? By the way that charging process they tell you to do is BS. Just charge until the light turns green. Li-Ion batteries do not trickle charge, once the light turns green it is through charging.

Kevin

Not so fast, bucko. The 510 batts are new tech. They require 8 hours initial charge, followed by a nice 20-30 minute vape session, and then an additional hour of charging. This is for conditioning purposes. I know this from experience.

After that, you can wait for the green light every time.

ps...I read the battery university site already, and he states FOLLOW THE MANUFACTURES INSTRUCTIONS BECAUSE LITHIUM BATTS ARE ALWAYS BEING UPGRADED. His disclaimer continues to be ignored, and people wonder why their 510 doesn't respond as advertised.8-o

Edited to add that attys get better after a few days break-in. Also try to avoid too much VG or glycerine cutting because it will clog a 510 atty bigger than Dallas.

 

[KreeL]

I'll play it safe with the batteries, since so many seem to think it a good idea, (Even ones who agree with you in princible and are aware of the idea that they ought not to need it.)

As to the second atmo, I haven't tried it yet.

I suspect I'm running out of juice much faster.... This manual battery stuff is WEIRD. I finally got used to automatic ones... and then I get one of these!

What juice are you using? And welcome to the club!

 

[a2dcovert]

Not so fast, bucko. The 510 batts are new tech. They require 8 hours initial charge, followed by a nice 20-30 minute vape session, and then an additional hour of charging. This is for conditioning purposes. I know this from experience.

All Li-Ion and Li-Poly batteries have the same requirements for charging and discharging. They also are never subjected to trickle charging like ni-cad and Ni-mhd are. Facts are facts, look it up in the real world, not just posts here on this site. Bucko.

 

[KreeL]

I strongly suggest you read the manual that comes with the 510. Then go read the battery university site AGAIN. After the initial conditioning, you can wait for the green light because it won't likely continue charging. Better yet, perform your own experiment like I did. It's an eyeopener because I used to believe exactly like you do now. I even found that AFTER the initial conditioning, I can leave a batt charging an extra HOUR after the green light comes on -- and although I don't understand it, it lasts longer than one that I remove immediately AFTER the light comes on.

Go figure.

 

[RsL]

All Li-Ion and Li-Poly batteries have the same requirements for charging and discharging. They also are never subjected to trickle charging like ni-cad and Ni-mhd are. Facts are facts, look it up in the real world, not just posts here on this site. Bucko.

Bucko? Who is this Bucko guy ?

 

[KreeL]

Hehehe...my bad, and I apologize for the term. I see the other threads about batts, and just want to cringe. Everyone needs to realize that 510 batts are different and incorporate a newer technology than the older 901s etc.. PLEASE all noobs need to condition the batts. I can't relay that any stronger than that.

 

[RsL]

Hehehe...my bad, and I apologize for the term. I see the other threads about batts, and just want to cringe. Everyone needs to realize that 510 batts are different and incorporate a newer technology than the older 901s etc.. PLEASE all noobs need to condition the batts. I can't relay that any stronger than that.

I agree with your advice regarding 510 batteries...it's been my experience as well. As to 'Bucko', well, I've seen a lot worse on this forum! haahaa

 

[Surf Monkey]

Okay, let's assume for a second that the 510 needs conditioning. Can anyone explain why? I have many devices with these same Li bats and none of them require conditioning. What makes the 510s different? Are we sure that it's not more of a placebo effect than an actual conditioning of the battery? Just curious. I'm not throwing any accusations here.

 

[a2dcovert]

I don't want to seem like a know-it-all about this. I just wanted to try to make everyone aware of the facts about these batteries. The instructions included with the kits are mis-information. The batteries in the 510 are NOT new technology they are Li-Ion batteries plain and simple. Here are the facts about Li-Ion batteries:

1. The cells in the 510 are rated at 4.0 volts.
2. They should never be charged beyond 4.0 volts.
3. They should never be discharged below 3.5 volts.
4. They should never be trickle charged.


These facts, plus and minus maybe 10%, are assured by the built-in protection circuit. Any violation of the above rules will surely result in damage to the battery. But you don't have to worry as long as the circuit works you will not be able to violate the above rules. You might waste some time though. Also these batteries will expire after a certain number of charging cycles.

I may be new to e-cigs but I wasn't born yesterday.

Kevin

 

[Surf Monkey]

"Preparing new lithium-ion for use

Unlike nickel and lead-based batteries, a new lithium-ion pack does not need cycling through charging and discharging. Priming will make little difference because the maximum capacity of lithium-ion is available right from the beginning. Neither does a full discharge improve the capacity of a faded pack. However, a full discharge/charge will reset the digital circuit of a 'smart' battery to improve the state-of-charge estimation"

 

[happily]

I can definitely say with my Li ion cordless power tools that there is battery break in and conditioning before they start working to full potential ...............there is also a cool down before charging process and a cool down after charging process that contributes to the strength of the charge (I'm not going to bother with research other than real world experience) I personally would stick with recommendations unless you're having a niccy fit and options are limited

 

[Stormynights]

How long do these things take to break in?

I just got a yeti... (Yes, I'm sucking on a yeti...) And so far, it's not quite as good as my 901. OK, I just ran out of charge on my first battery, so I imagine the newness is the reason. (I did the 9 hour sharge-half hour use-recharge I'm hear about on the forum, and been vaping on it off and on all day.... The other one is now in the process of getting it's long charge.)

But even so, the 901s I've had a week seem about as good... so either you buggers have been exzaggerating, or I'm doing something different. Do you guys top off with juice every 15 minutes or something?

It is possible that you are one of the strange ones like me that just prefers the 901. I believe that most everyone thinks that if you don't think the 510 is the best then it has to be defective in some way. I like the 510 but it just isn't my favorite.

 

[KreeL]

Okay, let's assume for a second that the 510 needs conditioning. Can anyone explain why?

You would have to ask the manufacturers. They all do say, please point out if there is one anywhere that doesn't, that the 510 batts DO need to be conditioned.

Lithium technology is like anything else in the tech field. Improvements are made constantly. Even the battery institute realizes this fact. First and foremost rule of thumb is to follow the manufacturer's instructions.

...and of course perform your own experiment. Scientific method is the way to go. If there were no difference, then there would not be any difference. Does that make sense?

The battery institute says the manufacturers instructions sometimes aren't accurate concerning lithium batts due to the fact 'the little booklets haven't been upgraded from the older batt references'. Well my answer to that is how long ago were Ni-cads used in electronic cigarettes? Hmmm...can we say NEVER? Everyone I've purchased the 510 from recommends the conditioning. It's in the manual from the same manufacturer that makes other models as well, so there must be a reason. Perhaps someone can email Joye?

In the meantime, I recommend strongly to everyone to follow the manufacturers instructions on conditioning.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Sounds like speculation to me. After all, technology can change... but basic chemistry can't. There's no technology that's going to change how a Li-Ion battery works inside. The power management circuit can be made to behave differently, but that has very little to do with the charging characteristics.

 

[GreySaber]

Sounds like speculation to me. After all, technology can change... but basic chemistry can't. There's no technology that's going to change how a Li-Ion battery works inside. The power management circuit can be made to behave differently, but that has very little to do with the charging characteristics.

Sure there are new technologies which might effect it. Say, the EXACT chemistry. It might be a LI suspended in a new matrix, or caused to form in a new way with new characteristics.

Take organic fats. They are all organic fats, but they react in radically different ways depending on formation. Some are solid at room tempretrue, some are liquid, some go right through you, some immediately swell your spare tire. Yet all are organic fats.

So I have no doubt one could make an LI batt in a totally new way.