Briefing on the science and policy of e-cigarettes and vaping (Clive Bates)

[Anjaffm]

Briefing on the science and policy of e-cigarettes and vaping (Clive Bates)
Welcome to this briefing on e-cigarettes, vaping and public health: a summary for policymakers. Here is the table of contents:

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read on.
This may be quite useful.

 

[DrMA]

This is an excellent resource for writing those comment letters on all the arbitrary and capricious laws being proposed around the world.

Thanks, Anja!

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Thanks Anna, both saved to my jump drive.

 

[sofarsogood]

Something that's not being discussed is the business opportunity e-cigs offer. My best understanding is 1 billion smokers spend $1 trillion a year on tobacco. The e-cig industry is targeting all those customers and all that money and I'll bet on them to succeed. States and the nation resist this trend at their peril both socially and economically.

I believe the FDA has to submit their regulatory proposals to some office of government that evaluates externalities including economic cost. What is the cost of America not getting it's share of the e-cig business because it reacted too harshly? I bet a good case could be made that it's a very large number in dollars.

 

[Endor]

Anna, outstanding find, thanks for sharing.

The best part.... this contains a ton of references that is a great one-stop-shop when looking for articles and studies to include in letter to policymakers.

So, who's first to nominate Mr. Bates for a Nobel Piece Prize?

 

[Endor]

Something that's not being discussed is the business opportunity e-cigs offer. My best understanding is 1 billion smokers spend $1 trillion a year on tobacco. The e-cig industry is targeting all those customers and all that money and I'll bet on them to succeed. States and the nation resist this trend at their peril both socially and economically.

I believe the FDA has to submit their regulatory proposals to some office of government that evaluates externalities including economic cost. What is the cost of America not getting it's share of the e-cig business because it reacted too harshly? I bet a good case could be made that it's a very large number in dollars.

This was partly included in the original deeming proposal, as the OMB has some say before the proposals are published (http://www.cspnet.com/category-news/tobacco/articles/update-fda-deeming-regulations). It is widely believed to have been grossly miscalculated, however, as it vastly underestimated the cost to submit the regulatory paperwork for newly deemed products. It looks like the OMB has another say after the comments are reviewed and the FDA moves forward to the next step.

But... we've started to see a shift. Although originally designed to dissuade smoking, the governments at various levels now rely on tobacco taxes for revenue, which is declining at people a) quit completely, or b) convert to e-cigarettes. So now, we're dealing with two fronts: the zealots who want to ban it, and the governments who want to tax it to death.

 

[abc123]

I just found this one out fromReuters: Researchers from Portland State University took flavored nicotine liquid made by Halo Cigs, a private company, and tested it in a personal vaporizer from Innokin. The vaporizer allows consumers to adjust the voltage from 3.3V to 5.0V. The higher the voltage the greater the nicotine kick, but also the greater the amount of formaldehyde.

Many pro e-cig campaigners (such as Spreading fear and confusion with misleading formaldehyde studies « The counterfactual) argue that the research environment voltage is unrealistic but I usually vape around 4.2v-5.2v with an Innokin device (MVP 3)..seems like I am gonna get good amt of formaldehyde....

is that a typo with reuters? Can someone reply?

 

[abc123]

Reuter link: Ramping up e-cigarette voltage produces more formaldehyde -study | Reuters

 

[Maytwin]

abc123 - have a read through this thread and Dr Farsalino's response to the study

 

[BuGlen]

I just found this one out fromReuters: Researchers from Portland State University took flavored nicotine liquid made by Halo Cigs, a private company, and tested it in a personal vaporizer from Innokin. The vaporizer allows consumers to adjust the voltage from 3.3V to 5.0V. The higher the voltage the greater the nicotine kick, but also the greater the amount of formaldehyde.

Many pro e-cig campaigners (such as Spreading fear and confusion with misleading formaldehyde studies « The counterfactual) argue that the research environment voltage is unrealistic but I usually vape around 4.2v-5.2v with an Innokin device (MVP 3)..seems like I am gonna get good amt of formaldehyde....

is that a typo with reuters? Can someone reply?

It's not just the voltage, but the resistance of the atomizer (topper) and the type of atomizer you use. The "research" cited in the article employed old CE4 technology that was not designed to be used at higher voltage, so it resulted in a persistent state of not being able to feed the coil with adequate amounts of liquid. The "dry hit" condition is one that any human would immediately detect by the acrid taste, but the smoking machines they use have no taste buds or olfactory senses.

If you're setup isn't producing a really awful taste, you can be assured that you're not running into the conditions described in that "research".

 

[abc123]

I sent the following email to Dr. Farsalino.

Dear Dr. Farsalino,

I hope you are well and keeping up the good work. I am an admirer of your work.

I have a question around your criticism of the formaldehyde study that came out very recently where you claim that vapers cannot (very uncommon) vape at 14-16 watts with 2.1ohm due to creation of the "dry puff" that was created by the researches of the original study.

I am a former smoker and currently vape hugely populer Innokin VV/VW device (Innokin MVP 3) with wattage set at 21-25watts with a 0.5ohm Aspire Atlantis coil or 2.1 ohm iclear 30s (again both are probably the most popular clearmizers out there with latest generation vv/vw device). I do not get any dry puff and I have seen many vapers vaping at might higher wattage with sub ohm coils.

Does this mean that the results of the study you criticsed apply to me/ all the vapers who use the above or more powerful set ups? Very concerned and seems like might have to go back to smoking again (if formaldehyde causes cancer then might as well smoke normal cigerette then e-cig)

Your response will be of huge help to me.

Many thanks in advance.

Link: Verified: formaldehyde levels found in the NEJM study were associated with dry puff conditions. An update

 

[Shirtbloke]

Well done Anjaffm, another good report found. Where would we be without you?

 

[abc123]

just had a reply from dr farsalino saying it is the old CE4 cartomiser that is the main culprit here.. not the power or ohm