Button life ?

[JollyRogers]

MonsterKenney,
I got my ProVari yesterday and am digging it. The construction is very well done. I am really glad I got the extender for the 18650s and switch between them and the 18490s if going out. I took a nice look up inside the tube and noted the board is exposed, but nicely done. I know there is a default one year warranty on the PV, which is fine as far as I am concerned. My only real question, what is the button construction? What kind of life can I expect out of it? I mean, I push that thing a lot to get to my different settings. I worry about wearing the thing out

 

[doots]

I thought that also. only time will really tell how many might fail from the excessive pushing. I am waiting to get one but want to see what the button life will be. nice pv.

 

[ScottinSoCal]

Since they offer an extended 2 year warranty, I'm going to guess button life is >2 years. Maybe 2 years and 1 day (or 1/2 day) but if all that breaks after 2 years is the button, I'll think it's well worth the money.

 

[MonsterKenny]

Jolly,
The button is rated at 500,000 cycles...

 

[JollyRogers]

Thanks MonsterKenny

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

Button life? My button has no life. It probably gets mashed over 1000 times a day. It must suck to be the button on my ProVari.



Ohhhhh...that button life....

 

[MonsterKenny]

Button life? My button has no life. It probably gets mashed over 1000 times a day. It must suck to be the button on my ProVari.



Ohhhhh...that button life....

Hahaha....

 

[Vermonster13]

500,000 cycles? Thats like three months! LOL

 

[Wasur]

500,000 cycles? Thats like three months! LOL

LOL sad but true

 

[rchriste]

Jolly,
The button is rated at 500,000 cycles...

Most electo-mechanical devices have two cycle ratings: Electrical Cycles and Mechanical Cycles. Often they're not the same. Do you have the cycle ratings for both?

I'm enjoying my ProVari as I type. Nicely done ProVape.

​

 

[rchriste]

Anyone seen MonsterKenny? I didn't mean to run him off.

 

[ScottinSoCal]

I doubt the electrical cycles would come into play, really. Since it's not directly controlling the power flow, just activating the PWM circuit that feeds power, it's probably way overrated for the use. I doubt there's more than a few milliamps running through it.

 

[rchriste]

I doubt the electrical cycles would come into play, really. Since it's not directly controlling the power flow, just activating the PWM circuit that feeds power, it's probably way overrated for the use. I doubt there's more than a few milliamps running through it.

My experience with switches is the mechanical cycles are rated less than the electrical cycles. In other words, it becomes unable to move mechanically before the electrical contacts loose their capacity to conduct electricity. I've seen several switches lately that have e cycles of 500,000 and m cycles of 100,000. And you are right sort of... the switch would quit "pressing" at 100,000 cycles long before the electrical cycles would come into play if the mechanical cycles were 100,000 and the electrical cycles were 500,000. So when you say over-rated for the use I agree on the electrical cycles but not so much so on the mechanical cycles. It all depends on what that rating is. This application is more dependent on the m cycle rating which is likely not the rating we got.

If someone tells me about one of the cycle ratings without telling me the other then the information is nearly useless. I would be surprised to learn that this switch has a 500,000 mechanical cycle rating so I'm guessing it's the electrical rating that was being quoted (which by your point is not going to come into play).

If I were selling a product I would want to emphasize the greater of the two numbers. It's just good marketing and human nature.

It's not important really cause when my switch stops working I'll just send it in to be repaired. The only reason I brought it up is because the person asking the question was possibly getting an incomplete answer and an answer that doesn't really apply to this application because this application would be more dependent on the m cycle rating than the e cycle rating. Besides, it would really be nice if I were an ex smoker and ex vaper long before I hit 100,000 mechanical cycles or whatever it's rated at mechanically.

BTW: I'm sitting here right now puffing away on my ProVari. The switch is working great and never misfires on me, never once, and I'm liking every minute of it. I'll cry when I hit that m cycle rating and have to give it up long enough for repairs. I'm thinking..... a backup ProVari might be a good idea.

 

[JollyRogers]

OP here. I did take MK's answer as 500,000 mechanical cycles, not Electrical cycles... regardless it has not failed me yet. Because of the performance of my ProVari, I really want to get a ProVape1 just to go with it.

 

[ibreathagain]

Jst got ship notice from Provpes so mine should be in hand soon. Guys the way i see it, Provapes or someone else will have made a better unit in a years time. So when that happens and it will, i will buy that one and move on from the provari anyway so its a moot point. Im betting we will be able to get a mechanical switch on the same micro processors. Can it be done?

 

[rchriste]

OP here. I did take MK's answer as 500,000 mechanical cycles, not Electrical cycles... regardless it has not failed me yet. Because of the performance of my ProVari, I really want to get a ProVape1 just to go with it.

I've been thinking about that too. It has the same look that I like about the provari and I'm sure it's got the same high quality of build. It seems like it would be easier to carry in a shirt pocket and not so obvious for those times when I don't want to draw attention to what I'm doing. Maybe compensate for the lower voltage with a LR atty.

As for the m cycles and e cycles I guess we'll never know. The silence is speaking volumes to me though. I think ScottinSoCal has a great point. Often extended warranties cover an item for the amount of time the manufacturer expects that item to last. At least that was my experience years ago before I quit buying extended warranties. It would be some difficult math but if a person can figure out how many average button presses they use a day and extend that out, I'm guessing for an average person it would come to the m cycles being equal to that 2 years and 1 day SconttinSoCal was talking about. I'm thinking more along the lines of 100,000 - 200,000 range just off the top of my head for an average vaper.

I don't think I would start adding up my daily button pushes for a few more weeks personally though cause there is (for me) an initial fascination factor with the provari and that will likely settle down after a while. <grin> (simple pleasures for a simple mind)

I've probably easily used up 2,000 m cycles and e cycles in the last two weeks since I got it. I've been checking the menu, not always because I need to but rather because I *CAN*. <snicker>

 

[aykay74]

Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents regarding the Provape-1. This has been my daily-all day-everyday-any time-any where goto device since my first Ego battery died at the beginning of January. I generally use Cisco Spec 1.8 306 attys on it (I prefer dessert/sweet coffee juices.) My first Cisco is still going strong since Dec 17th, my second only lated about 2 weeks. Generally rotate between 2 attys a day. The other is a bridgeless LR from greenhouseone (this thread isnt about it, but I have been thoroughly pleased by greenhouse. For $3 bucks a piece, they rock!) I will say that a 1.5 atty or carto is a little to hot for the AW batteries imo. Using the AW battery I get about 6 - 10 hrs (I was a pack and a half a day smoker, and I take BIG pulls everytime.)

If I hadn't been so thoroughly impressed and pleased by the Provape, I wouldn't have ordered the Provari (order 4588, hurry up Father Time!)

So with all that said, I would absolutely recommend a Provape-1 as a more portable device. Has a classy look, very VERY comfortable to hold, the button is solid but soft (great.) And it has a lifetime warranty.

Sorry, I don't accept returns for my 2 cents.

-Austin

 

[rchriste]

Jst got ship notice from Provpes so mine should be in hand soon. Guys the way i see it, Provapes or someone else will have made a better unit in a years time. So when that happens and it will, i will buy that one and move on from the provari anyway so its a moot point. Im betting we will be able to get a mechanical switch on the same micro processors. Can it be done?

I can see how this is a moot point to you if you're planning on pitching it in a years time. You DEFINITELY should skip the two year warranty. <LOL>

This model (ProVari) has a mechanical switch. We've been discussing the life cycles of that mechanical switch. Your question was food for thought though.... In the other direction. The 'cycles' thing could be eliminated entirely with a touch or proximity switch. It's non mechanical. You wouldn't have to shut it off to put it in your pocket or purse!!! Someone makes a mod with that kind of switch so apparently that can be done also. I just don't know how well that type of switch performs in this application. I have a desk lamp that it works great on.

 

[rchriste]

So with all that said, I would absolutely recommend a Provape-1 as a more portable device. Has a classy look, very VERY comfortable to hold, the button is solid but soft (great.) And it has a lifetime warranty.

Sorry, I don't accept returns for my 2 cents.

-Austin

I'm sold!!! Provape is going to owe you a commission. I've got a pile of the batteries for it sitting here too. I think this will be my next PV purchase. I can see myself going down to just two PV's with my ProVari and a Provape-1.

Can't I even get 1 cent back? <giggle> It would REALLY help with me saving up for the Provape-1.

 

[crackbag]

I'm sold!!! Provape is going to owe you a commission. I've got a pile of the batteries for it sitting here too. I think this will be my next PV purchase. I can see myself going down to just two PV's with my ProVari and a Provape-1.

Can't I even get 1 cent back? <giggle> It would REALLY help with me saving up for the Provape-1.

you will go down to just 2 units possibly one but you gotta have a back up just incase! i dumped 3 extra mods when i got this thing the dood got a deal form me cause i really really wanted map tanks! it is used all day every day if it broke id use my BB of coarse as my back up which i really dont like cause it doesn't fire all the time which pisses me off u gotta really hit the button to make it fire but the provari fires every time and almost instant i LOVE that feature!