Do you know where I can buy safe e-liq made here in the states? Somone that has no issue disclosing the content of their liquid? Someone that makes cartomizers without fiberglass or cotton batting? Someone that doesn't run their biz from a strip mall UPS store?
Buying and Using an Electronic Cigarette: A Primer
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Who makes their cartomizers with fiberglass?
Who makes their cartomizers with cotton batting?
And what problem would you have with cotton batting if they did?
As for your concerns with "Mom and Pop" shops dominating this industry, perhaps you should write a letter to the idiots in the government that are trying to prevent these wonderful devices from getting into your hands because of the $$$$$$ they get by helping you die by smoking cigarettes.
If the threat of an absurd and moronic ban is not lifted eventually, it is unlikely you'll see anything about electronic cigarettes during Super Bowl commercials, or sold by corporations who can afford snazzy advertising and spiffy websites.
Perhaps it would help if you would explain your real issue so it can be addressed in a intelligent manner.
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I am new to e-cigs (3 days) and I wanted to thank you for all the info. I bought an e-cig about 2 years ago and didn't like it at all. Now I know that it's because I really didn't know how to use it. I love my mini and I also purchased a 510. Love and use both of them. The mini battery lasts longer for me. I haven't had an analog since I began, do thanks again for getting me on the road to success.
I had someone very dear to me say that she wanted to get me to stop smoking, and she was going to help me do that by getting me one of these e cigarettes. I'd heard of them, done a little research, but never had the cash to pony up for them. I hadn't realized the priced had come down this far.
Well, I ended up with one of the "Smoking Everywhere" boxes today. She had hauled me down to the mall (and the guy told me, after the card had been run through of course) that the company had not paid taxes in a number of years and would be going out of business very soon, but he was sure that someone would buy it and honor the full 1 year warranty. I could almost smell the mud and funnel cakes.
I digress. I truly wish I would have found this site yesterday, and saved her that c-note she dropped on a single battery with 5 cartridges. I at least got a bottle of juice out of the guy.
Some of the discussion on here is a little esoteric. I mean, I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about. I don't get it. I don't have an issue with throat hit. The pull is OK for me. I'm actually pretty OK with this one despite the criminality of those who handled it until earlier today. I'm already finding out battery life sucks, so I haven't totally given up on analogs, but I'm bringing this bad boy to work tomorrow.
So. How about some real advice. Which ones do you avoid like the plague (Smoking Everywhere for instance) and work your way up the price charts. So someone can say... "I've got $60 to spend. What are my best bets?" Because THAT is what a real newbie who has lurked for a day or two is looking for.
Well, I ended up with one of the "Smoking Everywhere" boxes today. She had hauled me down to the mall (and the guy told me, after the card had been run through of course) that the company had not paid taxes in a number of years and would be going out of business very soon, but he was sure that someone would buy it and honor the full 1 year warranty. I could almost smell the mud and funnel cakes.
I digress. I truly wish I would have found this site yesterday, and saved her that c-note she dropped on a single battery with 5 cartridges. I at least got a bottle of juice out of the guy.
Some of the discussion on here is a little esoteric. I mean, I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about. I don't get it. I don't have an issue with throat hit. The pull is OK for me. I'm actually pretty OK with this one despite the criminality of those who handled it until earlier today. I'm already finding out battery life sucks, so I haven't totally given up on analogs, but I'm bringing this bad boy to work tomorrow.
So. How about some real advice. Which ones do you avoid like the plague (Smoking Everywhere for instance) and work your way up the price charts. So someone can say... "I've got $60 to spend. What are my best bets?" Because THAT is what a real newbie who has lurked for a day or two is looking for.
In terms of being a ripoff, I have yet to hear of a mall vendor (or any brick-and-mortar vendor) with good prices. The ONLY time to use them is in desperation!
In terms of performance and customer service, I started with the Blu and was very disappointed in the tiny cartridges and poor customer service.
Am happily vaping a 4075 from myPVShop.com now, with a Vapor King and VP2 both on the way!
This is my experience, your mileage may vary.
In terms of performance and customer service, I started with the Blu and was very disappointed in the tiny cartridges and poor customer service.
Am happily vaping a 4075 from myPVShop.com now, with a Vapor King and VP2 both on the way!
This is my experience, your mileage may vary.
This thread is about general advice, that won't change over time.
The best thing to use your $60 on will change over time.
It is inevitable, as the technology progresses.
But there are lots of other threads here that will tell you what you should do.
This thread is about general advice, that won't change over time.
The best thing to use your $60 on will change over time.
It is inevitable, as the technology progresses.
But there are lots of other threads here that will tell you what you should do.
This should really go to the 'library forum' perhaps. or should still be a sticky but of course, everyone wants a sticky ;-)
You guys are still missing the point here. With prices of ecigs being as low as they are, a $60 spend has a lot of options, if you are willing to wait a day or two, and don't live in a town that has something more than the place at the mall. A newbie isn't looking for something that looks like a sex toy, he/she wants something that looks like a cigarette.
It seems that a lot of folks here have multiple setups as well. So dropping some cash on "the wrong one" may not be so tragic after all...
It seems that a lot of folks here have multiple setups as well. So dropping some cash on "the wrong one" may not be so tragic after all...
Finding this site has been a lifesaver! I've been wanting a e-cig for over a year, but didn't want to buy until I was able to TRY one! Low and behold, we got a Smoking Everywhere kiosk in the mall where I work, and I finally got to try one. This forum has saved me from walking in to work today and dropping too much cash!! I am diabetic as well, and would have had NO CLUE about the PG vs. VG efffects if I hadn't read this sticky! Thanks for all the info!
Great tip I need to look into where these suppliers are your talking about..
thanks
Hi all. Just thought it would be polite to say hi and thank everyone here for all the really great help.
That's ok nor do Ithat is a good idea as I have no idea what your talking about
An exposed atomizer has the atomizer bridge exposed...that is a good idea as I have no idea what your talking about
A recessed atomizer has the atomizer bridge recessed...
Remember that one?
I'm sure you've learned much more since then.
In 1 - A cart lasts how long?... It's plastic. I assure you it doesn't last indefinitely.
In 2 - Generally speaking... you nailed it! It does need to be incorporated into the OP.
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In 3 - Propylene glycol is an organic compound. It is metabolized in the human body into pyruvic acid, which is a normal part of the glucose metabolism process and is readily converted to energy. Yes, this may include a reduced lactic acid conversion, but I'm not so sure this process happens from inhaling PG vapors since alot of oxygen is present in the pathway. We need more study on the human impact of PG vapors. I think we can at least say we are inhaling a germicide vapor. IDK, have you had a cold yet?
Vegetable Glycerin is a glycerol. In humans and other mammals glycerol is sometimes not considered a true gluconeogenic substrate, as it cannot be used to generate new glucose. It's true in alot of other animals, but not always true with mammals. VG is extracted using high heat and pressure and the temperatures can reach more than 400 degrees F. during the process. This process already decomposes the VG a fair amount and so another reheat process (say the heat from a HV mod atomizer) is sufficient to decompose it some more and possibly create a trace of acrolein. The same thing applies here as well... We need more study on the human impact of VG vapors. IDK, has anyone got an acrid smell yet? I think it would be safe to say you should only use VG in a standard Low Volt setup and only vape in 5 second intervals.
Water-based USP PG is the ideal ingredient to use as a clean delivery of nicotine fog. Yes, some people find they are allergic to it and have no other choice but to switch to a VG or RPG [Reduced PG] liquid. If you're allergic to mouthwash, toothpaste, cosmetics, foods, fog machine vapor, and other items because they have PG in them, then you should suspect some allergic reaction to PG-based e-liquid too. Just use caution and be prepared, but don't freak out. There is a possibility your body can adapt to the PG vapors and eliminate any allergic reactions. We just don't know about these things. We need more study!
One thing is for sure... If you can survive smoking tobacco and it's 4,000+ chemical counterparts, then vaping e-liquid should be a walk in the park for you.
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One other thing that could be added to the OP primer (not sure if it's already been mentioned, I was too lazy to read all of the posts)...
The nicotine levels you find on the e-liquids are measure in mg/ml, that is for every ml of volume there is X mg of nicotine in it. Yes, it sounds incredibly high at first, but you'll soon realize it's not the same as naturally occuring nicotine.
Here's a good scale to go by, but remember not all e-liquid is created equal. This is relative to what type of cigarette you were/are smoking:
24 mg/ml = a non-filter brand
18 mg/ml = a full-flavored filtered brand
12 mg/ml = a light filtered brand
6 mg/ml = an ultra-light filtered brand
0 mg/ml = your sucking on an unlit cigarette
There are higher concentrations right now, but they're mostly intended for cutting and mixing your own recipes. Future regulation will change all of this, but I have no idea where the line will be drawn.
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