Fell off the vaper wagon for a bit - ready to go again... need some input.

[sailorman]

I've used automatic batteries. They have several disadvantages and one advantage. Their one advantage is negated by the size of the Echo or any PV too large to hold in your mouth unaided. Can you answer my question how the auto battery of an Echo is any different than any other automatic battery?

I've used eGos and kGos. Both have manual batteries. An automatic battery has no advantage in a mid or large PV. If it did, they'd be available in more than one model. The larger size of an Echo negates any possible benefit of an auto battery and doesn't do a thing to address all the disadvantages of one.

 

[Adam the Aussie]

I really can't be bothered justifying my recommendation to you. There's an Echo thread nearly 400 pages long, go and read it. Tell how many people have killed Echo batteries with juice leakage, how many have complained about their Echo firing automatically due to noise. I can comfortably vape hands free with my 650mah Echo and 801 drip tip. I've had many mid sized devices, the Echo has outlasted all of them. You do a lot of good around here sailorman, but you should stick to giving advice on things you know about and stop bagging out other peoples suggestions when you haven't even used them yourself.

I've used a $25 vari volt, you don't see me around here giving advice on the ProVari.

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[sailorman]

I'm still willing to learn. Please teach me the advantage of an automatic battery in a mid-sized PV.
Please tell me why it's the ONLY PV in it's class that uses an auto battery. Do they have a patent so nobody else can do it? Do they have a super-secret technology that allows them to seal an automatic battery against leakage? How do they get around the automatic cutoff? Enquiring minds want to know.

If you're the type of person who has to look at his turn signal switch before signalling a turn when driving, I can see the value of an automatic. If you like to vape while rock-climbing or working on your transmission, I can see a value. Otherwise, I don't need to have tried one on a mid-sized PV to know that it's useless on one, and only marginally useful on a mini.

I've used auto batteries. Almost everyone has and if they were any good or of any real benefit, people would stick with them and there would be a demand for them. All the common mods would offer them. But they don't. The Echo isn't exactly a hot seller; not in the U.S. anyway.

As for long threads, that means nothing. There's a whole subforum for the Blu. Does that mean it's worthy of recommendation? Or do I need to try it first?

I haven't used a vari-volt, so you don't see me giving advice on that model, outside of what I know about it and don't need to experience. That doesn't mean I can't discuss the merits of VV or the disadvantages of a 2amp limit or the implications of stacking batteries. You don't have to experience something firsthand to discuss known characteristics or features of it.

I've never ridden a unicycle. But I'm perfectly qualified to discuss some of its limitations.

 

[JENerationX]

Smokeless Image X2s come in automatic. I have 2 of them and prefer them when I'm gaming. I rest the end of it on my microphone for hands free puffing. Taking my hand off the keyboard during intense gaming could cause death. LOL

 

[Adam the Aussie]

I'm not going to argue with you, I enjoy this forum too much. I made my recommendation from over 8 months of personal experience with the Echo, in that time I've purchased 8 Echo batteries which are all still in use. I'm not in the business of coming to ECF and giving bad information to new vapers and I don't give advice on products that I haven't used personally.

 

[sailorman]

I stand corrected about the X2. Thank you.

If the OP is a gamer or an auto mechanic, or a rock climber or a surgeon, then perhaps hands free vaping is important enough to overcome the limitations of an auto battery. Sooner or later, they'll be using a manual, especially if they're looking for maximum intensity and vapor. They'll probably be looking at a VV manual, in fact.

 

[sailorman]

I don't give advice on products I've not used personally. However, I am perfectly capable of using inductive and deductive reasoning and of utilizing empirical evidence. Therefore, I'll feel free to give advice on products I've not used if they have certain characteristics about which I am knowledgeable. I would not hesitate to recommend against a 1.5V AA alkaline battery powered e-cig, just because I've never used one. No one will convince me that their 6ohm atomizer works good on an eGo and I don't feel the need to try it first before I form an opinion.

I have used automatics. I know their characteristics. Unless the Echo has some special paradigm shifting technology, or unless the prospective user has an overriding need for an auto battery, I will advise against using an automatic battery, not only in a mini, but especially in a mid-sized PV.

 

[Adam the Aussie]

That's fine sailorman, you can recommend for and against whatever you like. As I said, I prefer to make my recommendations based on personal experience. You say you don't need any experience with the Echo to know that it's useless, I find this a ridiculous statement. I used to look forward to reading your posts sailorman because I thought you knew what you were on about, but you've lost me.

 

[sailorman]

Who said the Echo was useless? I said an automatic battery is useless. Relatively useless anyway. It has some use, but it's very narrow. Certain things are bad ideas. What is ridiculous is the notion that someone is incapable of knowing a bad idea is bad unless they've tried it. I've never drank from a glass with a hole in the bottom, but I know it has a very limited value. If you are going to misread my posts, no loss.

Meanwhile, you've spent so much time insisting that someone must experience something to recognize any negative properties of it that you haven't answered a single one of my questions about the inherent disadvantages of an automatic battery. Neither have you explained what, if anything, the Echo does to overcome them. So I assume you agree that the Echo has all the disadvantages of any other PV with an auto battery.

Since you evidently agree about the relative disadvantages of an auto battery, don't you think it would have been nice to warn the OP about them instead of glossing them over and pretending they don't exist?

 

[Adam the Aussie]

I won't have a problem misreading your posts in the future.

Oh, so you've edited your post. As I've said, I've had Echo's for 8 months, never had one die due to juice leakage, never had one fire due to noise. What am I supposed to warn the op about? The fantastic throat hit, great vapor production, excellent battery life, ease of use?

I have however, during that time, have had switches fail on 2 of my manual batteries. Did you warn the op that switches can fail?

At the end of the day, I've used the product, I like the product and I'm more than comfortable recommending it to vapers who are looking for an auto option.

 

[sailorman]

I edit for misspellings and grammar, clarification and additions, and I resent the implication you're making. Never once did I say the Echo was useless. The fact is that there is nothing inherent to the Echo that produces "fantastic throat hit" or "great vapor". It's a battery and nothing more. Ease of use? O.K.. I concede that pushing a button is tough for some people. Excellent battery life on a 650mah battery? I guess it's a magical 650mah and I'd just have to try it to know it lasts longer than anyone elses 1100mah battery. Of course, if it's a wimpy 3.4V battery like most egos have, that helps the battery life. But you know, or maybe you don't, that it's not the device that gives "great vapor and fantastic throat hit". It's the juice and the juice delivery system. Volts are volts. There are no special throat hit enhancing volts. As long as they're delivered without undue loss from the battery sagging under load, they're all the same and the Echo, or eGo batteries in general, aren't superstars in that regard.

No, I didn't warn the op that switches fail, either automatic or manual. Switch failure is not a characteristic peculiar to manual or automatic batteries. I didn't feel the need any more than I felt the need to warn the op that batteries wear out or vent.

Recommend what you like. You're certainly free to do so. I'm free to point out the disadvantages of an automatic battery and that, despite your personal experience, the Echo suffers from them just like any other automatic battery does.

Again, when you point out to me what Echo does to overcome these disadvantages, I'll listen. The fact that they don't bother you, or you haven't personally experienced them, is irrelevant to the fact that they exist.

 

[Adam the Aussie]

You added 2 paragraphs during your edit, that's one hell of a spelling mistake. My recommendation was for the Echo battery and single coil Echo cartomizer. This is what I can confidently say will give the results I stated. The Echo is no magical battery, it comes in 650mah & 1300mah, it's battery life is consistent with the mah ratings.

I will recommend what I believe is a suitable product based on the op's needs and my experience. If the issues you raise were a serious concern for the Echo, don't you think the Echo thread would be littered with people complaining about these issues?

I'm not sure why it offends you so much that there is an auto fat batt available that works really well, it's quite strange actually.

 

[Adam the Aussie]

Just noticed your latest edit. The Echo is not the same as the Ego, the Echo is unregulated, comes of the charger at 4.2 and works it's way down from there.

 

[sailorman]

I also edited to say that I edit for additions, in addition to grammatical errors.

Well good. The Echo is unregulated. Give it a point. It's battery life is consistent with its mah rating. That's not the same thing as "excellent" battery life. That's what it is supposed to be.
It doesn't bother me in the least that there is an auto fat batt that works well.
Strange that you should interpret it that way.
Go take a look at the mini-cig sites. Very few complaints about auto batteries there either.
That doesn't make them good. Mostly, it indicates either a lack of a frame of reference or personal preference.
A minority of people are always willing to give up control, reliability and performance for perceived convenience.
Despite your protestations to the contrary, if auto batteries were considered better than manuals by a significant percentage of vapers there would be a demand and their presence in the market would indicate it.
That is not the case.
They are a niche feature like LED tips and filter colored, pre-filled cartridges, the preference for which is shared by newbies and a tiny minority of others.

 

[Adam the Aussie]

Glad we're finally on the same page, I agree manuals are more popular, but some people prefer autos, including the op. I recommended a good one that I had personal experience with and met the op's requirements. That's all I've done, that's all I ever wanted to do.

 

[Jeseryn]

None of those little ecigs helped me at all which is why I adviced the provari (and I have a buzz.. not a fan for various reasons).

I spent over 350 bucks on kgos, passthroughs, weird cartomizer sizes, egos, etc etc etc (more actually) looking for the right voltage or whatever. I plunked 100+ down on the buzz and I had to send it back to the tune of 40 bucks to be repaired because of, what I consider a design error, and I picked up cigarettes again.

When I got a mod that worked reliably with minimal tinkering and futzing and didn't look as much like a crack pipe it worked for me. Which is the exact setup/investment I suggest to anyone who is serious about switching from smokes to vape. That's why I recommended making the investment. I was spending 16 dollars a day smoking real cigarettes so when I went to quit that's how I justified it in my head.

But I suppose it is smarter to start with a smaller investment. I just regret all the money I spent on this box of stuff I'll never use.

Oh and your very first investment total would be about 240.. that's the provari mini, 1 tank and cartomizers with batteries and charger. Then personally I spent the next 2 weeks buying the phiniac and trippies and other size cartomizers. Because I couldn't plunk another 100-200 bucks down on the week I bought the provari setup. (I had juice from before I used until I got some kickbass yumminess)

 

[1freespirit]

Thanks everyone - I decided on the Vtube from Apollo (main reason they had the 30% off going on) they were out of SS ones when I ordered so I went with the red one.

Anyrate I got it along with a dual 3.5 ml tank.

Seems pretty airy when I puff - any way to help the airyness? Yes the tank is screwed on tight,,,

I like everything about it besides its so airy.

Any suggestions on an adaptor?
Would a 3.5ml tank cone work or is this only for the SS can Chome ones?

Does any have any suggestions? If so can you please post the actual model and wording I should look for and where to buy? I really like this and want to make it work but its just to airy now that its irratating.

Thanks,

 

[NGIB]

I have a ViVi Nova 2.5 sitting on top of mine and it's just right. Either the 2.0 or the 2.5 should work well for you. I never recommend a product I do not use myself. The V2.5 is only sold by Gotvapes, the V2.0 is sold by a variety of vendors...

 

[1freespirit]

I have a ViVi Nova 2.5 sitting on top of mine and it's just right. Either the 2.0 or the 2.5 should work well for you. I never recommend a product I do not use myself. The V2.5 is only sold by Gotvapes, the V2.0 is sold by a variety of vendors...

Thank you, So is the VIVI Nova 2.5 a dual tank or an adaptor? Looks like a dual tank set up? I have just purchased a few dual tanks I would like to get my use out of them. Is there any adaptor I can use with my current 3.5ml tanks to not make them so airy?

Really hate to spend more $$ right away on additional dual tanks when I already have a few I just purchased with the system.

Maybe their is no adaptor that will help??

So the cone 3.5ml adaptor that is used on the Vtube SS and chrome ones will not work?

 

[NGIB]

I can't help you as I the only tank I've ever used is the Nova. It screws into the 510 connection on the VTube and no adapters were required. You take it out of the box, unscrew the cap, fill it with juice, put on the cap, screw it in the VTube 510 connector - and vape...