buzz from vv device and not from cigalike device?

[kalex]

Hello,

recently switched to vaping from 20 years of smoking (december 5th). So far I tried greensmokes and volcano magmas. I recently splurged and got itaste vv and itaste mvp 2.0 with iclear 30 tank. Noticed something interesting and trying to figure out why it happens.

Have no issues with tabacco pure 16mg juice in magma ecigs but I get a buzz (little light headed) from same juice when I'm vapping from itaste and iclear. Any ideas why this is happening? I wonder if its because i inhale more vape with vv devices vs. smaller cartridge based magma?


Thanks

Alex

 

[Thrasher]

the nicotine gets stronger as the efficiency of the delivery device and battery get better.

 

[kalex]

very good point, which means that i have to cut my nicotine level down

 

[Dakota Jim]

hahaha - I thought you were talking about the 33.3 chips like in my vamo that buzz on lower ohm builds but yeah what thrasher said

the iClear is a dual coil so it will definitely be more efficient then a carto in delivering nic to you - until you get lower nic try to cut down on the full lung hits

 

[Bunnykiller]

Since nicotine has a lower vapor point than glycern ( almost 120 degreeF difference) you could be getting just the nic vapors. this happens at low wattage hits, the coil gets hot enuf to liberate the nic but not the VG/PG try turning the watts or voltage up a tad to get bith to vaporize at the same time...

 

[Thrasher]

very good point, which means that i have to cut my nicotine level down

yea , if you choose to keep trying better and better devices you will notice this effect several times as you progress to more and more efficient devices, with the rebuildable devices having the best kick of all.

some of the real heavy power vapors are noticing the effect while still using like 4 to 6 mg lol

I have one atomizer i use 10mg in and its still kicks my .... if i chain vape. I get all loopy and stupid lol

 

[kalex]

hmm. didn't know about that. I was doing it at 8 watts which seems to be what people are doing. should i go higher?

 

[fdylstyx]

Good to know, I thought maybe the nic buzz was gone for good...not even able to get that rush from an analog since I started vaping...guess I need to ramp up my mechanical savy some if I wanna get light headed...or just hold my vape for three minutes.

 

[Bunnykiller]

hmm. didn't know about that. I was doing it at 8 watts which seems to be what people are doing. should i go higher?

I usually run at about 9-10.5 depending on ohms and juice 11.5+ starts getting into the toasted flavor (yuck)

 

[kalex]

I usually run at about 9-10.5 depending on ohms and juice 11.5+ starts getting into the toasted flavor (yuck)

Thank you. I'll try that. I have iclear 30 (reads 2.1 for ohms i think) and itaste vv running in wattage mode. will try your settings.

 

[djsvapour]

hmm. didn't know about that. I was doing it at 8 watts which seems to be what people are doing. should i go higher?

It's up to you. I like 8.0 or 8.5 watts most of the time.

I find my new iClear30S prefers a bit more, but that's just me.

 

[Ultra-X]

Hi kalex, and many who've answered,

this is good thread, lots to consider here.

1. hate to rain on this parade ... efficiency vs. potency.

efficiency is based on energy spent to do some work/action
- even though the rba's give you more potency, that does not mean they are more efficient in delivery.
- you spend more energy using rba's per pull of the trigger (the rba is obviously firing hotter). you get more plumes, but are you really spending less energy per plume volume than in cigalikes (the case compared)?
- think on a micro level, consider the faster gunk buildup, you are heating up the gunk as well as the good joose. so you are using energy there.
- need real studies, weighing, calculating, to really say "more efficient" or not. (i wonder if there is a thesis out there on this already)

2. a light head buzz... i had to get that in order to lay off the regular cigs.
nothing wrong with a small one, it's like my morning cig sometimes or after 8 hours of no smoking.
it's probably psychological to me.

3. lungs hits - i find them more potent but that's because i have the vapor in my body for a longer period. if i did a mouth-to-lung hit, i might find it just as effective if i hold it in lung longer. believe the absorption starts while the vapor is in the mouth.


Happy Vaping / Be Healthy / Happy Holidays

Hello,
recently switched to vaping from 20 years of smoking (december 5th). So far I tried greensmokes and volcano magmas. I recently splurged and got itaste vv and itaste mvp 2.0 with iclear 30 tank. Noticed something interesting and trying to figure out why it happens.
Have no issues with tabacco pure 16mg juice in magma ecigs but I get a buzz (little light headed) from same juice when I'm vapping from itaste and iclear. Any ideas why this is happening? I wonder if its because i inhale more vape with vv devices vs. smaller cartridge based magma?
Thanks
Alex

 

[Thrasher]

1. hate to rain on this parade ... efficiency vs. potency.

efficiency is based on energy spent to do some work/action
- even though the rba's give you more potency, that does not mean they are more efficient in delivery.
- you spend more energy using rba's per pull of the trigger (the rba is obviously firing hotter). you get more plumes, but are you really spending less energy per plume volume than in cigalikes

mmmm several 1000 rba users might tend to disagree here. a well made atomizer even with the exact same resistance coil is more efficient by design, many of the better designs actually go through much R&D to be tuned for the most efficient delivery. a good example of this being documented is the spheroid development after several dozen redesigned and even with a wimpy old 1.8 ohm coil this atty simply delivers a knock out, head spinning vapor and many users report having to instantly cut the nic in half to be able to use it without getting sick. and this is not an an atomizer designed with low resistance in mind.

efficiency of nicotine delivery is the exact basis for the origin of the genesis design.

I can build 2 ohm coils in a dripper and get 3 times the vapor of a protank which means i just got 3 times the nicotine with the same amount of heat.

while your theory is very correct when comparing say protank head to protank heads based on simply changing resistance (for more heat) it hold a little less weight when dealing with well made RBA designs. and this is proven when using matching resistances in a well made RBA VS say a cheap clearo.

and in many ways efficiency = more vapor and flavor from the same resistance and amount of heat. which better designs deliver.
a better design = better and more dense vapor = more nicotine = efficiency of the device when all else is equal.

until someone actually studies what happens when nicotine is vaporized many theories will be bounced around. until then it will be accepted that some devices just simply do work better then others.

 

[kalex]

Update - emptied out my 16mg juice from iclear 30, washed it and filled it up with blue water punch juice from volcano at 8mg. set wattage at 9 on my itaste vv and no more head buzz seems to be working good for me. Throat hit is still there but muted compared to magma cartomizer but I think i actually prefer lighter throat hit. Juice does taste better

Thanks for the help