BWB to discontinue RY4 and Ejoker?

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Moffius

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per the backwoods news email that I recently received:

RY4 and Ejoker

During the most recent offering of these flavors we encountered a great deal of hostility. While we did our absolute best to inform everyone of the policies in place for these, many still attempted to circumvent the limits. Due to the stress involved and the extremely short supply of the ingredients required, once our remaining stock is depleted these flavors are discontinued. We hope to eventually be able to offer something similar that we can keep instock at all times. Be on the lookout for these new flavors.

Well I guess I got to try my first bottle of these highly touted juiced before they were discontinued.
 

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Such a shame that people got hostile over something like this. It's just an ejuice.

I think that some people acquire an unusual attachment to certain flavors - I'm sure it has something to do with the addictive aspect, and how the mind will fiend for something that it associates with satisfying that addiction in a particular way.

I have enjoyed some flavors that were hard to come by during my first few months of vaping - I remember when I thought I couldn't live without Malty Toffee, then, of course, it was out of stock and hard to get for a while. Ultimately, I got tired of having to go through the hassle, and just found other things that I like.
 

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so my search is over but now its ended. really bums me that such a good mix is getting canned all because people dont know how to read instruction and chill out and wait till its available. best ry4 ive had period. i will cherish this last bottle. and thank you to the pushy people for vanishing it. good job.
 

Moffius

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so my search is over but now its ended. really bums me that such a good mix is getting canned all because people dont know how to read instruction and chill out and wait till its available. best ry4 ive had period. i will cherish this last bottle. and thank you to the pushy people for vanishing it. good job.

Well for what it's worth I would recommend the RY4 from Highbrow. Could be a nice replacement for you. I have tried the RY4 from BWB now, and don't think it is any better than Highbrow's RY4 and I don't have to wait to order it.

Maybe the BWB RY4 gets a little better with some steeping, but I don't see it being any better than Highbrow's.
 

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Ive said it before...why offer something that you cant even begin to meet the demand for? He should expect hostility.

...also...what ingredients are that hard to get? Does he climb mountains for the perfect vanilla beans? Is the caramel from Willy Wonka himself?

It just sounds silly to me and almost like a ploy to trick people into thinking they HAVE to have it if its so hard to get.
 

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... He should expect hostility....

I have to strongly disagree with you on this one. Why should someone simply trying to provide a product whenever he can expect to be a victim of hostility? Should I attack the manager at my supermarket because they can only provide some produce while it's in season?

No vendor would ever withhold a popular product deliberately - if Backwoods could keep stock in RY4 and Ejoker, their profits would soar.

As Mahatma Gandhi once said: "What do I think of Western Civilization? I think it would be a very good idea."
 
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urquidezj

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it is by far the best juice ive had. PERIOD. no im not a fanboy, i happened to be reading the ry4 review thread and saw that it was in stock and snagged a bottle. whatever he does, he does ot well. its just like with everything good in the ecig world, it sells out and sells out quick and there is waiting time in between to get more. but there are people that dont read and just want answers they want the product and they want it now. then get pisssed and make stupid comments when its not available or he just missed the sale. ive heard of the brew and read its good. when i started vaping in august, i never saw it in stock. stopped looking then it comes on out of the blue. its patience to when u receive the product. you enjoy it and savor the love put into the product. just read different threads. the gtank us thread. at least two or three different peep that are lazy to read demand one piece and get mad that its not available.
 

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wow. I got one of each of those flavors when he first reopened at the new site.. I saw the ry4 first, and being a follower/customer of BWB i knew it was near impossible to get. (I heard comments like it would cost you your ffirst born..etc). so i grabbed the ry4 and completed the transaction.. quickly because there were 20 or so left when i did. then, i noticed the joker.. and placed a 2nd order, ever though i knew it was 2 shipping charges, etc.. and i thought i was lucky still. The ry4 is good but I like casablanca and malty toffee just as well ..and the joker just isnt my taste at all.. but.. you never know until you try. On the other hand, my #1 fav. juice vendor is currently out of business.. cancelled pending orders and isnt taking more. And I ordered ALL of my daily vapes from him.. price, customer service, and great juice.. i knew it was too good to be true.. Their business got bigger than they could handle. Now, I do have to say THAT is giving me some problems..LOL. Anybody got any advice for me on where to get a really buttery rich caramel or vanilla or butterscotch vape??
 

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It just sounds silly to me and almost like a ploy to trick people into thinking they HAVE to have it if its so hard to get.

If you investigated the history of this issue or took time to see the many stellar members here that have respect for don, you probably wouldn't say such things. I consider myself not only a customer... but a friend to the guy and I assure you... had he been able to put a few aside for a friend, he would have... but I never bothered to beg... because I knew how great the demand was and how short the supply was...

It's just a flavor... not nectar from the gods... but it is somewhat unique... as many BWB flavors are... it turns out that the majority of the flavorings of his most popular juices come from really small and/or unique flavoring vendors... because when he started doing this... it was a small operation for himself and a few friends... which grew into a small ordering site from the classies... and eventually into a website etc...

Part of what makes BWB so desirable is the fact that many of the juices don't taste like all of the other juices... know what I mean?

After vaping for a year or so, you begin to notice that so many of the vendors use the same caramel or vanilla or tobacco base etc... so, BWB is a breath of fresh air for many because it's different... and if you happen to like it... you are in luck.

I also get somewhat annoyed at the comments that aim to give analysis of his business model... sure, he aspires to make some money... but that's obviously not his chief concern... if it were, he'd exclusively use easy to acquire flavorings that he could buy in bulk at a discount... and he'd buy the cheaper nic and base... His chief concern has always seemed to be... making people happy or making the best juice he could. He wouldn't be in business otherwise... this is the backwoods, not wall street.

So while his prices are in line with many others, he does have bigger inventory bills than many... this his profits aren't what they could be if he were the kind of guy that "artificially" inflated demand... the guy that would do that would also be the same guy that used the same flavorings as 50% of the vendors out there and try to pass it off as different... or unique.

...and he does get a little snappy when provoked... defensive is the better word for it... and he is smart enough to know that this isn't the best way to keep all of the customers happy... but again... because he does strive in his professional and personal life to be ethical, kind and honest, every criticism is felt deeper... he is who he is.

Don isn't a guy who could easily detach his pride from his practices...

Insult his juices... but when you insult his practices... I am sure it hurts... it probably hurts him to think his product(s) or practices inspire such malicious thoughts or behavior...

I knew something like this was going to happen... during the month(s) that he was getting his website up... I even shared this concern with him... I said it will be different when 500+ different people start reviewing you... now you have a dedicated 75-100... but Don is such an optimist... well he was anyway... hope he still is.

ECF and the world of vaping and suppliers is growing exponentially and people seem to be losing patience when they can't get what they want right away.

...and some folks don't appreciate or remember how cool it was when these mom and pop e-juice companies started springing up...

maybe only the strongest will ultimately survive... but that doesn't always mean that the best will survive.

here in my hometown... wilmington, de... it's tough to find restaurants and stores that aren't national chains... sure, I can get whatever I want as fast as I want... but the people selling it don't know much about it and the quality and the variety has been compromised.
 

Tommyt2610

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I am new to the vaping world and am still looking for that knock me out flavor. Just got some of BWB Casablanca Blend and was quit surprised with the flavor. I will be trying other flavors from him. I am sad that I will not be able to try his RY4. Have heard it was one of the best. My only sugesstion would be to set up a lottery system. Everybody who wants some of the next batch put your name into the hopper and hope for the best. Good luck Don hate to see this go away really wanted to try it even if I had to wait my turn.
 
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