Caffeine changes ... switching from smoking to vaping.

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For a lot of people who quit smoking, their desire/quantity of caffeine use changes or they notice the effects of caffeine more. I specifically referring to coffee.

For people who choose to use nicotine with vaping, was there a noticeable difference in caffeine use/effect?

Were there other things you consume for the dopamine kick, sweets, alcohol, etc. that also changed in desire/quantity/effect?

I was thinking, it seems like smoking also acts as a mild depressive, from other factors than nicotine, and the use of other artificial dopamine boosting substances may diminish as a result.
 

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It isn't coffee that is my caffeine fix, it's Mt. Dew, and I haven't noticed any change in the caffeine intake or its effects. Sometimes I will drink a lot of Dew, sometimes hardley any, I did the same with smoking analogs. I don't drink alcohol, allergic reaction to alcohol the first time I took a drink, was 1 winecooler lol not sure what it was that caused the reaction, but never wanted to take chances so no alcohol just to be on the safe side. Not big on sweets either, so can't help there.

I've always been an insomniac, and I don't take medication for it as I actually feel dragged down all day if I get more than 4 hours of sleep a day. So far vaping vs analogs nothing has really changed in terms of other habits, but I have noticed an increase in energy levels the last few weeks, I have far more energy now than I did when smoking.... probably not a good thing for an insomniac but I'm not complaining!
 

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Seems like I was using caffeine as an additional dopamine booster to counter the effects of smoking/nicotine. As long as the nicotine level is there and consistent ... coffee use goes way down.

Vaping is really helping me figure out/understand some of my other behaviors that I modified as a result of smoking. It really does have an affect on many parts of your behavior.

Maybe that's one of the reasons it's harder to quit ... lots of other changes / behaviors happen at the same time.
 
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I stated out vaping FAR too much nicotine (18mg, which rapidly dropped to 6) so I was wandering around HIGHLY stimulated! ;)

As a result, I bought some decaff coffee (formerly considered the drink of Satan) so that I didn't give myself a heart attack. I quite liked the decaff and I now alternate caff & decaff. So, yes, my caffeine intake has dropped quite a lot I would say. Interesting question. I thought it was just me...
 

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I have reduced my coffee intake too, I noticed. Didn't really think too much about it, I went from a pot and a half a day to about a half to a third of a pot. :)

I also don't drink as much alcohol, I seem a bit more sensitive to its effects now that I've quit smoking.

My preferred foods and drinks overall have changed as my tastes have, I have a whole list of things I like now that I used to hate and vice versa.

:) Vape on!
 

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I'm using 18mg as well. Debating whether that is too little or too much. I'm thinking it's too much, because my vaping pattern doesn't match smoking pattern. It does seem to be too much for me, as well. Trying 11mg now.

Coffee for me seemed to be another chemical dopamine boosting method to combat effects of smoking. Or more reasonable put, combat the withdrawal effects of smoking ... between cigarettes. :)

I stated out vaping FAR too much nicotine (18mg, which rapidly dropped to 6) so I was wandering around HIGHLY stimulated! ;)

As a result, I bought some decaff coffee (formerly considered the drink of Satan) so that I didn't give myself a heart attack. I quite liked the decaff and I now alternate caff & decaff. So, yes, my caffeine intake has dropped quite a lot I would say. Interesting question. I thought it was just me...
 

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It actually makes sense for caffeine consumption to change with the switch to vaping (likewise, the feel that caffeine does more).

Caffeine and Nicotine both (indirectly) affect several neurotransmitter systems, including dopamine that you've all pointed out. But Tobacco smoke also contains small amounts of a couple of MAOIs (monoamine oxidase inhibitors), which inhibit the activity of Monoamine Oxidase. MAO, in turn, breaks down monoamine nurortransmitters in the brain, including dopamine and serotonin.

Without taking an MAOI (through tobacco smoke), your MAO system will adjust to working normally and you could see a change in the effects of caffeine, potentially leading to more adverse symptoms at high doses or decreased consumption…or the opposite depending on a lot of factors (tolerance, habits, other drugs, etc.).

Sorry if that went over people's heads…I kind of have a degree in drugs. Note that this isn't backed by research that I've done or read…it just makes sense with how the drugs work.

The complicated thing is that the human brain is really good at adapting to changes in neurotransmitter levels. ADHD/ADD is treated with stimulants, which shouldn't make sense without a lot of other theory behind it. And changes like this sometimes cause cascading changes in drug-taking behavior (still just talking about legal drugs here) that aren't all that predictable and may not be the same from person to person.

As for personal experience, it does seem like caffeine is hitting me a bit harder than it did a couple months ago……but I also intentionally lowered my caffeine intake. I like for my caffeine to give me a buzz, and I wasn't getting it…so I decided to consume less in order to kill my tolerance a bit and not have to drink several red bulls or 4 shots of espresso to get a rush off of it.

I'm not sure which one is more responsible, but I'd guess it's the fasting for a few weeks. I went from several french presses a day to maybe a couple sodas a day intentionally. And yes, those first couple weeks kind of sucked.

Basically, any time you're screwing with brain chemistry…a lot of stuff can happen.

The individual drugs are pretty well understood (with a few exceptions) but there is basically no such thing as a single-drug user. People who drink coffee and smoke cigarettes are getting caffeine and nicotine, of course, but also a couple MAOIs other plant-based methylxanthines that affect hormones and kidney/bladder function among other things, plus all the "crud" in cigarettes…some of which modulates neurotransmitters or other bodily functions.

A change as big as switching from Nicotine + the rest of the stuff in cigarettes to nicotine + the rest of the stuff in juice (that seems to all be biologically neutral) is going to alter the way other drugs work. It's something to be aware of so you don't wind up fighting tobacco cravings and caffeine withdrawal at the same time……but as we all know…it's still worth doing.
 
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Caffeine and Nicotine both (indirectly) affect several neurotransmitter systems, including dopamine that you've all pointed out. But Tobacco smoke also contains small amounts of a couple of MAOIs (monoamine oxidase inhibitors), which inhibit the activity of Monoamine Oxidase. MAO, in turn, breaks down monoamine nurortransmitters in the brain, including dopamine and serotonin.

That's what I was going to say. You just beat me to it. ;) :D
 

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For a lot of people who quit smoking, their desire/quantity of caffeine use changes or they notice the effects of caffeine more. I [am] specifically referring to coffee.

I don't drink coffee.

For people who choose to use nicotine with vaping, was there a noticeable difference in caffeine use/effect?

I use anywhere between 8mg/ml and 16mg/ml nicotine and the effects of caffeine are more noticeable to me now.

Were there other things you consume for the dopamine kick, sweets, alcohol, etc. that also changed in desire/quantity/effect?

I've always had a sweet tooth, so, no change there. However, I have a disorder that is related to Dopamine levels so I try not to mess with my intake thereof too much as I have yet to discover the effects in relation to the quantity.

I was thinking, it seems like smoking also acts as a mild depressive, from other factors than nicotine, and the use of other artificial dopamine boosting substances may diminish as a result.

Probably explains the rush of tics when I first started vaping and the pronounced lull now. It comes in waves, but this time the intensity of the wave was more severe. Hopefully it levels out and I can one day be tic free. I'm afraid that after 19 years, any notion of being rid of Tourettes is just a delusion of grandeur.
 
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