Caffeine extract?

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martha1014

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Why is it that caffiene was never classified like nicotine. Caffiene is a drug that changes the body's struction and function. It is lethal if you consume 300 or more. You probably can't overdose on coffee but they make caffiene pills and add it to multiple other medications. It is also extracted from a plant just like nicotine is extracted from a plant.

If caffiene was regulated if you combined it with other things it would be like combining nicotine with PG.

Although not as bad it to is addictive. It increased mental alertness and other body response like nitocine does.

How was it that its classfied as a food additive and nicotine is different. You could even put the caffiene powder in a pipe and smoke it. Smoked it may be as bad as nicotine.
 

h8isgr8

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Sorry, you cannot vape caffeine...... period.

Even if you could, getting ~100mg (more or less 1 cup of good coffee) into your body through vaping would be extremely difficult.

I have a huge container of lab grade caffeine. Here is a pic of what roughly 100mg looks like (it might even be a little less than 100mg, I can't find my scale).......

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Kurt

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Actually they have an explanation following what I pasted. I don't understand it - maybe DVap, Kin, or Kurt will.

There are a couple of reasons for >100% in an assay. Generally they will titrate several samples for caffeine content, each measurement using equipment like graduated cylinders, burets, pipets, etc. Each of these have an intrinsic error. Here error does not mean mistake but a measurement uncertainty. For example:

Suppose I want to measure 20.00 mL of a liquid with a graduated cylinder. I will fill the cylinder until the top of the liquid is at the line that says 20 mL, then pour it into something else. How much did I transfer? Well, that's a very involved question, actually! If there are graduation lines for every 0.01 mL between whole number mL lines, and I have measured to the 20.00 mL line, then there is an intrinsic uncertainty of plus or minus 0.02 mL, so I would say I have poured 20.00 +/- 0.02 mL. Therefore the range of the measurement is that I know I poured between 100.1 % and 99.9 % of what I thought I put in the cylinder. This error is increased and propagated throughout the content analysis procedure with every measurement you make. So in the end, if you are essentially getting 100% caffeine, the range that must be reported will have a high end of >100%.

Other things that can cause this is if it is a final weight determination based on amounts of initial starting materials, and the final sample is slightly wet with water, which is very common. Your final mass will be more than that amount of material should be, because of the additional water...or whatever other solvent they may have used.

Not sure what this >100% is from, but my guess is it is from intrinsic experimental uncertainty. What they are saying is "we analyzed this and are being as accurate as possible in our reported purity". This uncertainty would then propagate into whatever experiments someone else down the line would do with said caffeine. These things are VERY important when there are small and difficult to measure effects of, say, caffeine. You have to know if your data is reflecting an actual trend, even if it is slight, or just within experimental uncertainty, and can't be talked about much at all.

DVap may have other comments. These are the pprimaries that come to mind. Very common.
 

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Buzzaire looks great. I might have to get one of those.

Note that the FDA cracked down about three days ago on alcohol makers who were putting caffeine in bottled drinks, said to "alert" drinkers. Authorities said the false sense of alertness might encourage a drunk to get behind the wheel of a car. So the caffeine has to come out.

To date, as far as I can tell, no one is challenging the FDA on this, and producers are agreeing to removing all caffeine from alcoholic beverages. It was the vodka-Red Bull trend of a few years ago that triggered the new drinks.
 

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Buzzaire looks great. I might have to get one of those.

Note that the FDA cracked down about three days ago on alcohol makers who were putting caffeine in bottled drinks, said to "alert" drinkers. Authorities said the false sense of alertness might encourage a drunk to get behind the wheel of a car. So the caffeine has to come out.

To date, as far as I can tell, no one is challenging the FDA on this, and producers are agreeing to removing all caffeine from alcoholic beverages. It was the vodka-Red Bull trend of a few years ago that triggered the new drinks.

No more sparks?? :( I loved those things. They tasted like a tic tac
 

h8isgr8

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Note that the FDA cracked down about three days ago on alcohol makers who were putting caffeine in bottled drinks, said to "alert" drinkers. Authorities said the false sense of alertness might encourage a drunk to get behind the wheel of a car. So the caffeine has to come out.

Does this effect mixed drinks served at bars?

I hope not, or there is going to be some very angy irish coffee drinkers over at the Buena Vista Cafe. 8-o
 

Raenon

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No more buzz beer...

"Stay up and get drunk all over again!"

Vaping caffeine just sounds like a bad idea. If somehow you did manage to effectively get large enough amounts of it into your system, you risk overdosing the same. Nicotine is a little less dangerous, to me, in that most of us are already so addicted it'd be difficult to overdose unless we're using something rated massively too high for us (like I could never handle 36-48mg liquid, 16mg gives me a nice buzz, and when I have too much, I still feel jittery/headachey like I used to when I had too many cigarettes).

Even most all-day coffee drinkers don't get nearly that kind of buzz from their caffeine, unless they're supplementing. And we've all heard the horror stories of the energy drink overindulgers...

Nope, I'll stick with my snooty coffee drinks and dr pepper.
 

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it was a guess that caffeine introduced in to the blood via the respritory system would take effect much faster than the conventional way of getting caffeine in to your system. I was also guessing that it would take far smaller amounts. I have had a caffeine addiction for years. I'm guessing it's nearly as bad as my nicotine addiction. :p But apprently it can't be vaped... why is that btw? i'm curious now :)
 

h8isgr8

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But apprently it can't be vaped... why is that btw? i'm curious now

The temperature at which it vaporizes is a little too high (first hand testing). Assuming it would even vaporize with an e-cig, the amount that will dissolve into the liquid without saturating it would only provide an extremely small dose of caffeine per puff.

I'll make a video of ceffeine melting and then being vaporized.
 
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