Calling all USA college students and bar hoppers!

[the88thcrazy]

In my oppinion, i do not believe that the online petition is going to do anything serious.

What we really need is a great big information spread, with a real petition in the mix.

While i definitely do not have the time to form a petition, organize all the data, and send it to the FDA, i believe that if we all get out there and inform smokers and non-smokers alike about the e-cigarette, it might help our cause, atleast a little.

if this forum was to put together small information packets (statistics, ect), all of us who are around analog smokers all the time could give little demonstrations outside of bars or buildings around our campuses. it might cause an overflow of new members to the site, but atleast we could have a chance at keeping our vaping devices.

I attend Bowling green state university in northwest ohio, which has a roughly 25,000 person student body + staff. i would be more than willing to do this for my campus.

 

[Lorddrek]

I have been preaching recruitment for a little while now. I think at least 20-30% of smokers will make the switch.

 

[CaseyNY]

I think we definitely need to start figuring out how to get a consolidated and wide spread message out there. We can talk about it all day and night long in the forum, but we need to figure out how to start taking actions that will educate and let the people who want votes know we are out there. We need the medical voices we have, we need the supplier and manufacturer voices, and user voices and stories and experiences.

So do we have any good PR people on here that knows how to get our information out?

Do we have someone in Stearns and other government districts that can contact them and ask them how we could best support them in this battle?

Do we have any media (tv, print, or radio) that can give us guidance on how to get our word out.

What is our unified message? We have to prove to people that their logic to ban these is totally ir-rational, especially since the alternative for us who quit analogs is to go back to them and as they say 'die'.

 

[Hangar]

what might receive some real attention would be airtime on Oprah via her Dr. Oz (or whatever his name is) interviews, if we could get Dr. Oz on the side of e-cigs...but again...no Dr. in his right mind would support anything without at least some good preliminary testing.

You folks just arent being realistic about this problem...once there have been some good tests provided to the FDA we WILL have our e-cigs back in some form or another...but with NO testing whatsoever how could you expect ANY action to actually STOP a temporary ban?...not gonna happen. You can blame this all on the products developer and investors but im assuming theyre in Chine so its a different world there. To bring this product to the U.S. though it will HAVE to be tested in a way thats acceptable to the FDA, period. Heck, you should WANT this thing tested so all the facts are clear and published, and you should WANT regulations for the manufacturing of the liquid for goodness sake. I wish some of us would stop acting like childish drug addicts and begin to instead act like responsible adults who realize that good official testing will actually HELP this product gain mainstream acceptance once and for all.

Instead of spending your time petitioning to stop the FDA from doing its job you should instead be thinking about how and who we can get to be the U.S. based spokesperson for the product and who can we get to seriously invest in this product and get together with the FDA and provide at least some solid preliminary testing.

 

[Steph2323]

what might receive some real attention would be airtime on Oprah via her Dr. Oz (or whatever his name is) interviews, if we could get Dr. Oz on the side of e-cigs...but again...no Dr. in his right mind would support anything without at least some good preliminary testing.

You folks just arent being realistic about this problem...once there have been some good tests provided to the FDA we WILL have our e-cigs back in some form or another...but with NO testing whatsoever how could you expect ANY action to actually STOP a temporary ban?...not gonna happen. You can blame this all on the products developer and investors but im assuming theyre in Chine so its a different world there. To bring this product to the U.S. though it will HAVE to be tested in a way thats acceptable to the FDA, period. Heck, you should WANT this thing tested so all the facts are clear and published, and you should WANT regulations for the manufacturing of the liquid for goodness sake. I wish some of us would stop acting like childish drug addicts and begin to instead act like responsible adults who realize that good official testing will actually HELP this product gain mainstream acceptance once and for all.

Instead of spending your time petitioning to stop the FDA from doing its job you should instead be thinking about how and who we can get to be the U.S. based spokesperson for the product and who can we get to seriously invest in this product and get together with the FDA and provide at least some solid preliminary testing.

I completely agree. I thought about Oprah/Dr Oz too, but she's not a smoker and Dr Oz relies on lots of research. I wonder about Ellen Degeneres? She quit in the past year or 2 so I don't know what her stance in at this point.
Have the developers and distributors in China addressed this issue at all? I haven't seen anything. If they haven't, I am ....... Yes, the laws are different there, but the profits are going to be severly hurt as one by one, countries are making them illegal worldwide.
I have written to my senators and reps in Pennsylvania, Cancer Society,Lung association and Pelosi. The only real reply that I have rec'd was from someone at the lung association, stating that their was no testing. I forwarded the testing from here and am awaiting a response from him. I signed the petition, and am thinking of what else can be done. It's just so overwhelming that I am having a hard time thinking of what else would make an impact.
We need some direction for sure. Have the suppliers made any statements or recommendations? Maybe they could give us some ideas?
Stephanie

 

[DCrist721]

I don't understand, the ingredients of eliquid have already been tested as safe to inhale.
-Propylene Glycol is safe to be inhaled with nebulizers for people with breathing problems like myself
-Nicotine is already "safe" to inhale with nicotine inhalers and cigarettes
-And most of these flavorings are already in flavored tobacco products such as cigars, cigarillos, cigarettes, pipe tobacco, and hookah tobacco.

What is there left to test?

 

[Hangar]

The ingredients have only been tested individually and/or as a different compound than e-liquid. Scientifically...just because the effects of certain elements/ingredients are known by themselves does not mean they will have the same effect once you put them all together as a new compound, in various recipe formats, and then heat it at certain temperature ranges and inhale into your lungs.

Understand now?...its a chemistry thing.

...and by the way...the nicotine inhaler (which available via prescription in the U.S.) does NOT get inhaled into your lungs. It gets absorbed in your THROAT, sort of like a spray would...big difference potentially speaking.

***EDIT** - Steff, from the look of the websites and the way they are being marketed right now id say the sellers/suppliers (same thing) dont come close to having the expertise nor the funds to manage such a huge project once the FDA gets involved. Its going to have to come from large investors/manufacturers who are interested in bringing this product to market for real.

Is there even a U.S. patent on this thing?....there's another legal question, sheesh.

 

[Lorddrek]

Thinking more about it openly promoting on a college campus probably will not fly. Certainly bars are a good target though. Suppliers need to do some promotions.

 

[the88thcrazy]

Thinking more about it openly promoting on a college campus probably will not fly. Certainly bars are a good target though. Suppliers need to do some promotions.

I thoroughly disagree. there are tons of smokers on campuses. aside from this, college students are prone to speak their mind publicly and openly.

college students are also poor; and vaping is definitely a cheaper way to go. i took my e-cig on campus today, and handed out all 5 of the business cards that rob at alt smoke gave to me. everyone seemed pretty interested.

today alone, i generated atleast 15 new e-smokers. i gave little demonstrations to everyone who asked, told them about the prices (which surprisingly, the initial costs didn't scare off anyone i talked to), told them about how there's no tar or carcinogens; all that jazz.

i didn't mention the forum to too many people though (made it sound like a sales pitch, and e-cigarette-forum.com is a pain in the ... to say 20 times in an hour)

just educate those smokers. the more people who start using it, the more attention it draws. the attention just spreads until probably a newspaper or magazine publishes an article about it. get that attention, and i guarantee that someone, anyone, will want to do that proper testing for it.

Just a theory, but sitting here and talking to people who already vape isn't going to get anything done.

 

[kylewinther]

I it is a good idea becuase the students can do studies, reports, test markets on names, split testing, etc. It is a great idea for special projects! I say go for it 100%

 

[the88thcrazy]

I just hope this doesn't some how backfire on us. This will definitely draw attention if successful, meaning the FDA might enforce their rules a little bit more strictly than they have been. but, lets not look at that! the only way to fight it is to fight as a group, and preferably a large one

 

[RaverCJ]

Well, I've definitely shown it to friends, friends of their friends, etc. PV's have been received pretty well by both smokers and non-smokers alike here on campus in Los Angeles. I've actually only received one bad comment that went something along the lines of "Wait, so if it has nicotine, what's the point?" I really didn't take it too seriously, as obviously, she didn't quite understand that nicotine isn't necessarily the most harmful chemical in analogs.

That being said, I think I've received the best responses form Chemistry or Pre-Med majors. They seem to be the ones that understand the potential benefits best.

Anyways, I'm not openly promoting it on campus, nor am I marketing it. I'm just doing my part to educate the the people around me who are curious.

If the responses on campus are any indication of how well the general public will respond to e-cigarettes once it becomes much more public, I think there is a bit of light at the end of the tunnel. I'm really hoping this FDA thing doesn't affect us vapers too terribly.

 

[Burn0uts0n]

I too am from bowling Green, and i have gotten a few people to jump on board with the whole digital smoking thing. crazy, small world

 

[pam]

I have written to my senators and reps in Pennsylvania, Cancer Society,Lung association and Pelosi. The only real reply that I have rec'd was from someone at the lung association, stating that their was no testing.

I don't understand why the Lung Association isn't testing these themselves. This is innovative new technology that could very possibly eliminate a large percentage of respiratory illnesses. If there is some aspect that is found to be unsafe, it could probably be easily changed. Plus, the device has significant potential for drug delivery to the lungs which could someday be used to actually treat lung diseases. Rather than acting like a bunch of Luddites and dismissing this technology for lack of testing, they should be at the forefront of testing. People donate to them expecting them to be a leader in the area of research and development for the prevention of lung diseases and instead they are being obstructionists.

 

[the88thcrazy]

I too am from bowling Green, and i have gotten a few people to jump on board with the whole digital smoking thing. crazy, small world

Heh, i like to sneak little puffs in the middle of class for the fun of it.

 

[jmoney]

I think we definitely need to start figuring out how to get a consolidated and wide spread message out there. We can talk about it all day and night long in the forum, but we need to figure out how to start taking actions that will educate and let the people who want votes know we are out there. We need the medical voices we have, we need the supplier and manufacturer voices, and user voices and stories and experiences.

So do we have any good PR people on here that knows how to get our information out?

Do we have someone in Stearns and other government districts that can contact them and ask them how we could best support them in this battle?

Do we have any media (tv, print, or radio) that can give us guidance on how to get our word out.

What is our unified message? We have to prove to people that their logic to ban these is totally ir-rational, especially since the alternative for us who quit analogs is to go back to them and as they say 'die'.

My promotion company is already spreading them like crazy down here is south texas...we banned smoking on our party buses because so many complained out the smoke so people have been asking where to get them...now it just has a list of suppliers written on the back of every ticket...its really just about finding smokers who want to smoke where they cant, there are tons of these things puffing around the clubs bars and buses we promote...

 

[SnarkyClark]

I don't understand why the Lung Association isn't testing these themselves. This is innovative new technology that could very possibly eliminate a large percentage of respiratory illnesses. If there is some aspect that is found to be unsafe, it could probably be easily changed. Plus, the device has significant potential for drug delivery to the lungs which could someday be used to actually treat lung diseases. Rather than acting like a bunch of Luddites and dismissing this technology for lack of testing, they should be at the forefront of testing. People donate to them expecting them to be a leader in the area of research and development for the prevention of lung diseases and instead they are being obstructionists.

I believe they simply do not want people getting used to the act of 'smoking'. The fact that they look and work just like cigarettes is going to completely block any legitimate medical uses of our PVs. Maybe the pipe/cigar ones and maybe something like the SD might have a tiny, slim chance - and ONLY if there was no exhaled vapor and no flavoring.

If asked, they would likely state that the risks of increased cultural tolerance of the general act of 'smoking' (or anything like it) would overshadow any possible medical benefits...

 

[kgonepostl]

I believe your right, I showed it to a friend, the rest of my friends HAD to see it and smoke it them self. Two friends bought a kit through me. Now my email and phone is off the hook with calls of where to get them.

This is a good thing. When they try to take us down it's better in bigger numbers. I'm gonna go full swing next month and get at least 50 people. Goal is 100. I'll ask them all to make an unbiased youtube video that I can put on a playlist of how it changed their lives. Maybe that will get through the governments thick skulls even just a drop, but every drop counts. Everybody needs to REPORT on video their honest candid opinion or it's just text on a website. Need to see the reaction as well as read it.

 

[lordmage]

i already resold 7 kits to friends and as soon as i am really doing it i am gonna go full swing my self right now i am just selling them from the sites they just payme because they dont have net acess so i get and honest middle man tip.

 

[the88thcrazy]

i already resold 7 kits to friends and as soon as i am really doing it i am gonna go full swing my self right now i am just selling them from the sites they just payme because they dont have net acess so i get and honest middle man tip.

I've actually considered doing this myself. students don't need a vendors license to sell things on campus (dirty hippies everywhere selling hand made goods as a result)

I just don't have good enough of an income to order a good quantity of starter kits from ruyan direct at the moment =/