Calling on US E-Liquid Suppliers: SHOW US YOUR FACILITIES!

[radicaljd]

Recently, I saw this video: video It was filmed by Vapor4Life showing the inside of a Chinese manufacturing facility in Shenzen, China. The point was to demonstrate the cleanliness and purity control measures taken by Chinese manufacturing facilities in the face of a lot of negative publicity questioning the purity of Chinese liquids.

At the outset, I should say that I am no fan of Chinese e-liquids. To me, their flavor and quality do not compare to the liquids I have tried from US manufacturers, particular TastyVapor.us, NicotineNirvana.com, Backwoods Brew (no website), and others. I have purchased liquids from those suppliers and have been quite pleased, and continue to enjoy them.

Nevertheless, I was very impressed by Vapor4Life's presentation, at least as it concerned the particular Chinese e-liquid manufacturer they profiled. Obviously, that manufacturer has taken incredible steps to ensure the purity of their liquids. To me, this raises a valid point: What measures to the US e-liquid manufacturers take to ensure puriity? I mean, they taste good and all that, but let's face it, no one is regulating these suppliers. For all we know, they could be mixing this stuff in their kitchen sink.

So, I feel it in appropriate for the ECF comminity to demand that each and every e-liquid supplier provide a video demonstration of their facilities and quality control procedures for scrutiny by their customers and prospective customers. This is a reasonable request, and certainly in the best interest of the industry as a whole.

So folks, what do ya say?

RadicalJD

 

[Big Thier]

I say word up.

 

[Elendil]

I too enjoy TV liquids, but I do not know that Geoff manufactures the nicotine portion of his juice. I know he mixes all the flavors at his facility, but I do not know the origin of his juice.

I do think you need to clarify what you mean when you say "U.S. manufactured" juice.

 

[radicaljd]

Well, I should have not limited this to US suppliers. Actually, ALL e-liquid manufacturers, regardless of which country they are based in, should provide such disclosure.

 

[radicaljd]

I too enjoy TV liquids, but I do not know that Geoff manufactures the nicotine portion of his juice. I know he mixes all the flavors at his facility, but I do not know the origin of his juice.

I do think you need to clarify what you mean when you say "U.S. manufactured" juice.

Obviously, there will always be some uncertainty. I mean, even for the Chinese manufacturer profiled by Vapor4Life, we have no way of knowing if the same level of quality control exists with respect to the manufacturers of the ingredients they use. But at least that video is a step in the right direction.

I see no reason why Geoff and others shouldn't be called upon to provide similar disclosures on their operations.

 

[quasimod]

I disagree. If you're expecting a mom and pop shop to have a facility that compares to that, I think you are going to be disappointed. That facility looks like it does some serious volume, and can supply a lot of different companies.

 

[radicaljd]

I disagree. If you're expecting a mom and pop shop to have a facility that compares to that, I think you are going to be disappointed. That facility looks like it does some serious volume, and can supply a lot of different companies.

Nevertheless, why shouldn't the "mom and pop shop" demonstrate what steps they take to ensure product purity? Let the buyers make up their minds based on full disclosure.

 

[UntamedRose]

TV has some photos up on FB. Look like he converted half a house to do this. It's oviously a "mom and pop" but looks clean and well organized to me
(hopes that isnt some top secret info...ducks from fan club)

Puresmoker also has a video on there website with a lab tour.

 

[Lezil]

I disagree. If you're expecting a mom and pop shop to have a facility that compares to that, I think you are going to be disappointed. That facility looks like it does some serious volume, and can supply a lot of different companies.

agreed, and i say that dekang taste bad to me, i order only usa made e-liquid now and enjoy it all. got lots of good stuff from BlueMist Vaping Supplies www.freedomsmokesusa.com and HappySmokes.com, The Solution to your electronic cigarette needs. i recommend all 3 for usa liquid. they are willing to work with you on flavor and thats something dekang probably wont do, i cant just call em up and say oh i want it like this.

 

[LynGBH]

I don't know if I feel this is necessary. I would be okay with someone doing this in a clean kitchen. The most important thing to me is the quality of the ingredients.

This is surely biased, but with all the issues with food, toys, lead pretty much being a huge part of the environment and the dishonesty of many, although certainly not all, chinese manufacturers, not to mention the human rights issues, I'd rather have the products I purchase be made as close to home as possible. Especially the stuff I'm ingesting, inhaling or applying to my skin!

I also prefer to purchase one of a kind or small batch, handmade artisan products. What can I say? I love Etsy, too!

Handmade hugs,
Lyn

 

[quasimod]

I see no reason why they shouldn't, but you asked in the OP for the ECF community to demand it. That's a different proposition.

 

[Lezil]

I don't know if I feel this is necessary. I would be okay with someone doing this in a clean kitchen. The most important thing to me is the quality of the ingredients.

This is surely biased, but with all the issues with food, toys, lead pretty much being a huge part of the environment and the dishonesty of many, although certainly not all, chinese manufacturers, not to mention the human rights issues, I'd rather have the products I purchase be made as close to home as possible. Especially the stuff I'm ingesting, inhaling or applying to my skin!

I also prefer to purchase one of a kind or small batch, handmade artisan products. What can I say? I love Etsy, too!

Handmade hugs,
Lyn

+1 to that =D

 

[Vaporologist]

Here's one from PureSmoker

YouTube - PureSmokerLabTour.AVI

 

[ApOsTle51]

I'd be really surprised if any US Liquid suppliers uses 100 % US sourced Ingredients.

and to save me reposting some stuff , I believe this thread stemmed from this one : http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...108371-i-hate-dekang-boge-liquid-kah-kah.html

 

[mini_art]

Actually Tv does produce their own nic. Geoff has mentioned a few times that they macerate the leaves to make thier own tobacco flavors. that would produce nic.

Johnson Creek used to produce their own, I dont know if they still do.

There are quite a few producers of nic right in this country too.

As to videos, the conditions for any video are going to obviously going to be perfect at that time when it is shot. Even the Chinese ones.

Frankly I dont worry about eating in my friends kitchens, or camping out cooking over an open fire in the woods. I dont think I worry too much about the sanitation of the small venders making juice either,

I do worry every time I have to take a prescription medication with the track record the
big companies have. In fact no one has ever shown a video of the conditions under which our pharmacy drugs are produced that I have seen.
Most of them are made in Barbados, India, or China too. Any one that thinks all of their medications are produced here is mistaken.

Next time you take that Nexium or whatever think about it.

I would rather trust a venders kitchen right here in the USA.

 

[aubergine]

Pretty sure it all starts in China. Truly not totally sure, and there appear to be a few exceptions (with very mixed reviews), but I've been poking around the forum on this one for a long time, and my impression is, "manufactured in China raw, imported and flavored up in the US." If that ain't the case, show us.
(Is OK w/me, and Leaford actually lives in China, and their juice recipes are made and flavored to their own specs. I like it. Most "Chinese" standard commercial flavors are really yukky to me - they vape flavors like "rose petal" over there, a cultural thing. And I like the relative transparency at V4L.)
For safety I would rather have real chemists and etc. on board than "home cooks" - maybe. When you're talking volume and transport and potentially deeply toxic ingredients [nicotine raw is no joke, you don't want to be vaping oil based flavorings, etc.], you're not talking a pot roast on a Saturday night. Finally, though, I just vape what tastes good to me at this point, wherever I find it, WTF.
Ignorance may be bliss, who knows? Option? FDA specs and all that goes w/that.
(BTW, macerating leaves for tobacco flavor would not be the same as providing measured nicotine content in general.)

 

[Vaporologist]

Aubergine, we share the same thought on this matter. One thing I'd like to ask, since I don't know anything about it, what's the danger in vaping oil based flavorings? If you don't feel like answering in great detail, can you suggest a thread I should read? Thanks.

 

[ill_dawg]

The oil doesn't evaporate right in the atty, so it clogs and dies. Also, some oil-based flavorings can produce some undesired nastiness when heated, iirc. If you want to get the whole story, dig up the old threads from when LorAnn's was first 'discovered'.

hth

 

[ApOsTle51]

diacetyl (that's a butter flavouring that can cause lung disease when inhaled ) for E.g. Some flavourart products contain Diacetyl : http://www.flavourart.it/expresseng/contents/en-uk/d27.html

 

[darthvapo]

RadicalJD

I agree 100% with this post and all your comments. In order for this industry to survive any eventual FDA regulations it will need companies to step up and have actual clean room operations.

I too have been scouring the net for lab videos and the only one missing from this thread is the JC lab video.

youtube.com/watch?v=9pFQsIjFAe8