I worked in restaurants all my life and what he says is true. The stories I could tell you would for sure keep you at home doing your own cooking. Also the ingredients used are not always the best grade money can buy. Oh yuck now I'm getting shivers from some of the gross stuff I've seen.
Calling on US E-Liquid Suppliers: SHOW US YOUR FACILITIES!
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I worked in restaurants all my life and what he says is true. The stories I could tell you would for sure keep you at home doing your own cooking. Also the ingredients used are not always the best grade money can buy. Oh yuck now I'm getting shivers from some of the gross stuff I've seen.
I agree that there should be expectations and guidelines most should follow, but being unregulated these things will vary from source to source. There's a difference however in having expectations in a company's health codes and being critical of them. I'm willing to bet going out to eat involves alot more risk than buying niquid from a supplier. If one were to worry about these suppliers, then it would make sense to inquire the sources of the ingredients. And don't forget what it takes to produce those too... this could go on and on. I'd just find a supplier or two I was comfortable with and stay loyal to them.
As far as demanding videos or pictures of their facilities-- how about a private message or something? When it comes to personal preference, I'd be careful posting something on ECF because there's alot of point-of-views.
As far as demanding videos or pictures of their facilities-- how about a private message or something? When it comes to personal preference, I'd be careful posting something on ECF because there's alot of point-of-views.
Of course, we face such risks every day, but even restaurants and grocery stores (including "mom and pop" diners) are subject to *some* oversight by local health departments and such. They are inspected and, if the situation is bad enough, they are closed down. It's not a 100% guarantee, but it's something.
As it is now, we have no way of ascertaining anything regarding the purity of substances sold that we inhale into our lungs. The e-cig industry is in its infancy, so of course things are still developing.
I can say this, there WILL be some sort of regulation or oversight at some point. If the liquid manufacturers figure out a way to self-oversee (e.g. AMA, NADA) the industry, it may minimize the level of government regulation.
The honeymoon period with the current Wild West environment could come to a rapid and unfortunate end with the first horror story(knock on wood) whereby multiple people get sick over an issue traced to a particular juice vendor. I've not heard of any such thing and hope I never do, but sticking our head in the sand and hoping it never will come to fruition has the real potential to backfire badly, it seems to me.
I hadn't given this whole topic much thought until recently. Some very basic mandatory safety guidelines, precautions, or regulations, wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing in my mind. In general though, I think the marketplace and industry should drive this as much as possible. Adhering to some sort of voluntary industry defined certification standards(maybe different levels, even different industry orgs.) might be a good thing. Consumers could then choose how important these types of certifications are to them, if at all, and which ones they are most comfortable with, etc. I'm sure some vendors could easily turn this into a selling point. In fact, I'm a bit surprised that more of them don't seem to trade on the stringency of their safety practices. My guess is that the political and legal status of vaping is seen as too fragile for vendors to essentially target one another or differentiate themselves over such things as safety and sanitation without potentially tarnishing the entire industry(and therefore themselves) in the process.
I hadn't given this whole topic much thought until recently. Some very basic mandatory safety guidelines, precautions, or regulations, wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing in my mind. In general though, I think the marketplace and industry should drive this as much as possible. Adhering to some sort of voluntary industry defined certification standards(maybe different levels, even different industry orgs.) might be a good thing. Consumers could then choose how important these types of certifications are to them, if at all, and which ones they are most comfortable with, etc. I'm sure some vendors could easily turn this into a selling point. In fact, I'm a bit surprised that more of them don't seem to trade on the stringency of their safety practices. My guess is that the political and legal status of vaping is seen as too fragile for vendors to essentially target one another or differentiate themselves over such things as safety and sanitation without potentially tarnishing the entire industry(and therefore themselves) in the process.
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You mean, mixing e-liquids in my cat's litter box and selling 'em might not be a good thing?
You mean, mixing e-liquids in my cat's litter box and selling 'em might not be a good thing?
Well, let's not be too hasty. Would you be using all USA sourced ingredients(including the cat litter, of course)? What's your price per ml? And do you sell doublers?
Well, let's not be too hasty. Would you be using all USA sourced ingredients(including the cat litter, of course)? What's your price per ml? And do you sell doublers?
Its called Meow-Mix and you can get it at: www.felinejuices.com
All this from people who had no problem what so ever sticking a log of burning chemical laden stuff in thier mouth and setting it on fire knowing full well that the so called large companies dileberately put 4000 extra and very poisenous chemicals in the raw tobacco to further hook the user and make then totally dependant on thier product.
So now you want chemical analysis and research, videos and pictures and statements about what is basically vg pg and food flavoring???
I'm sorry guys , but this is down right rediculas, and hypocritical.
If you are so concerned about it then just make your own, anyone can do it themselves.
I concure , do not even consider ever again eating in a resturant, or cooking in the woods, and for heavens sake dont go to a concert with fog machines! They may not have sterilized the pg used in the machine !
So now you want chemical analysis and research, videos and pictures and statements about what is basically vg pg and food flavoring???
I'm sorry guys , but this is down right rediculas, and hypocritical.
If you are so concerned about it then just make your own, anyone can do it themselves.
I concure , do not even consider ever again eating in a resturant, or cooking in the woods, and for heavens sake dont go to a concert with fog machines! They may not have sterilized the pg used in the machine !
oh no! lol no i agree, if you ever eat out you assume that you know whats going in your mouth yet really they could be chopping up dog and feeding it to you as something else, you never know, but if they have damn good tacos your not going to say HEY! let me see how and where you cook these and also what all you put it in. if you werent demanding the big tobacco then why are you doing it from the little guys. all of a sudden people care oh so much about the maybe 10 things at the max they vape ( not even smoke ) then the 4000 they used to
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although I agree with this, wasn't the point of switching to e.cigs to switch to a safer, less lethal alternative? Doesn't matter what we USED to do to ourselves, if one desires to intake something healthier, comparing behaviors and preferences post-tobacco with the days of tobacco combustion almost seems be an irrelevant comparison.
Yeah, I might sleep with my mouth open, but I be damned if I'm gonna eat a salad with a tarantula in it.
And demanding regulation (that's what you're asking for no matter what silver lining you put on it) will result in your precious eliquid coming off the shelves for too long IMO. I think we should be happy with what we have and ONCE AGAIN... if you question someones quality, then DO IT YOURSELF or STICK WITH SOMEONE YOU TRUST. Problem solved.
although I agree with this, wasn't the point of switching to e.cigs to switch to a safer, less lethal alternative? Doesn't matter what we USED to do to ourselves, if one desires to intake something healthier, comparing behaviors and preferences post-tobacco with the days of tobacco combustion almost seems be an irrelevant comparison.
Yeah, I might sleep with my mouth open, but I be damned if I'm gonna eat a salad with a tarantula in it.
And demanding regulation (that's what you're asking for no matter what silver lining you put on it) will result in your precious eliquid coming off the shelves for too long IMO. I think we should be happy with what we have and ONCE AGAIN... if you question someones quality, then DO IT YOURSELF or STICK WITH SOMEONE YOU TRUST. Problem solved.
but at the same time we already know that its a safer alternative, when cigs already have PG, Hydrogen Cyanide, Formaldehyde, Ammonia and i mean heres a list Cigarette Ingredients and Additives that cant compare to the 3 chemicals and 1 natural flavor extract in this bottle of watermelon that i have
Oh I agree whole-heartedly. I don't think you read me right...
I'm saying if someone wants to make sure precautions are used, it's not right to look at them and say "oh, but you used to smoke, so why are you so concerned NOW?" which seems to be said alot (in different words more often than not...) and I was just saying maybe these people are doing the vape thing to CHANGE the fact that they used to be a chimney
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I have no hangups whatsoever about the current state of affairs. I don't live in fear of whether I'm going to be harmed by the e-liquids I order online. I certainly consider the risk much lower than going back to smoking analogs. However, comparing the situation with big tobacco (which basically enjoys grandfather status regardless of how poisonous their products are known to be) is I think beside the point. E-liquid producers will never get the preferred status already conferred on alcohol and tobacco. That's just not going to happen. And it seems clear they won't be allowed to remain in their current unregulated mode indefinitely. It wouldn't hurt either them or the consumer for them to start looking ahead, and possibly begin taking common sense proactive steps on a voluntary basis. It might even put them in a better position to make recommendations and possibly influence the inevitable regulations that will follow. Those were my thoughts anyway.
There are studies being done, and so far the scientific studies show that we really are not getting any nicotene when vaping LOL
Sooooooo, how many of those scientific studies do you want ???
I personally want lots of them LOL. If there is no nicotene being absorbed by the body then there is no basis for regulation.
I believe the latest study was done recently and just released from the University of Virginia, but i would have to check that again for place.
There have been studies done on inhaling pg, surprise, it does not harm and may help prevent passing airborne bacteria infections. They are pumping it in the air in some pediatric wards in hospitols now for that very reason.
So do they have a scientific basis for regulation now? Well based on the study, NO
Sorry to have gone off topic here . I am done.
Sooooooo, how many of those scientific studies do you want ???
I personally want lots of them LOL. If there is no nicotene being absorbed by the body then there is no basis for regulation.
I believe the latest study was done recently and just released from the University of Virginia, but i would have to check that again for place.
There have been studies done on inhaling pg, surprise, it does not harm and may help prevent passing airborne bacteria infections. They are pumping it in the air in some pediatric wards in hospitols now for that very reason.
So do they have a scientific basis for regulation now? Well based on the study, NO
Sorry to have gone off topic here . I am done.
Just to add my opinion to the mix. On the restaurant analogy, the restaurant I worked in I never ate in. It's not the stuff that the Health Department checks you should be worried about, but the things that just end up happening. If you're using produce, I can guarantee you the boss/owner is just gonna tell you to give the celery you just dropped on the floor near the trashcan a quick rinse off and still use it, lol.
Also, you should be more concerned about bars in this respect. My aunt works in the Health Department. If a bar has a clean working sink, they pass. They don't scrutinize bar food the same way they do restaurants. Just food for thought.
On the e-cig: I find it kind of silly how over-the-top some people that have switched to PVs are. We willingly (most of us for decades) inhaled tar, thousands of chemicals, and quite a few carcinogens daily. The argument can be made that the past is irrelevant, but that's just not true. The fact remains that even if the juice we inhale isn't mixed/stored under pristine conditions, it would most likely take decades to do the same damage that a single day of cigarettes would do to us considering we're inhaling water, 1 or 2 chemicals, and flavoring agent.
The possible damage some of these ingredients can do (for instance VG breaking down into harmful chemicals under extreme heat) doesn't even compare to the damage some of the chemicals in cigarettes do (carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, the list goes on).
As far as I see it, PVs are damage reduction devices, and even under so-so conditions are still accomplishing that goal. Remember, PVs have never stated themselves to be healthy, just healthier. But what do I know
Also, you should be more concerned about bars in this respect. My aunt works in the Health Department. If a bar has a clean working sink, they pass. They don't scrutinize bar food the same way they do restaurants. Just food for thought.
On the e-cig: I find it kind of silly how over-the-top some people that have switched to PVs are. We willingly (most of us for decades) inhaled tar, thousands of chemicals, and quite a few carcinogens daily. The argument can be made that the past is irrelevant, but that's just not true. The fact remains that even if the juice we inhale isn't mixed/stored under pristine conditions, it would most likely take decades to do the same damage that a single day of cigarettes would do to us considering we're inhaling water, 1 or 2 chemicals, and flavoring agent.
The possible damage some of these ingredients can do (for instance VG breaking down into harmful chemicals under extreme heat) doesn't even compare to the damage some of the chemicals in cigarettes do (carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, the list goes on).
As far as I see it, PVs are damage reduction devices, and even under so-so conditions are still accomplishing that goal. Remember, PVs have never stated themselves to be healthy, just healthier. But what do I know
On the e-cig: I find it kind of silly how over-the-top some people that have switched to PVs are. We willingly (most of us for decades) inhaled tar, thousands of chemicals, and quite a few carcinogens daily. The argument can be made that the past is irrelevant, but that's just not true. The fact remains that even if the juice we inhale isn't mixed/stored under pristine conditions, it would most likely take decades to do the same damage that a single day of cigarettes would do to us considering we're inhaling water, 1 or 2 chemicals, and flavoring agent.
The possible damage some of these ingredients can do (for instance VG breaking down into harmful chemicals under extreme heat) doesn't even compare to the damage some of the chemicals in cigarettes do (carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, the list goes on).
As far as I see it, PVs are damage reduction devices, and even under so-so conditions are still accomplishing that goal. Remember, PVs have never stated themselves to be healthy, just healthier. But what do I know
doctorvapor on youtube states its 30days of smoking compared to a lifetime of vaping, just an educated guess
Just to add my opinion to the mix. On the restaurant analogy, the restaurant I worked in I never ate in. It's not the stuff that the Health Department checks you should be worried about, but the things that just end up happening. If you're using produce, I can guarantee you the boss/owner is just gonna tell you to give the celery you just dropped on the floor near the trashcan a quick rinse off and still use it, lol.
Also, you should be more concerned about bars in this respect. My aunt works in the Health Department. If a bar has a clean working sink, they pass. They don't scrutinize bar food the same way they do restaurants. Just food for thought.
On the e-cig: I find it kind of silly how over-the-top some people that have switched to PVs are. We willingly (most of us for decades) inhaled tar, thousands of chemicals, and quite a few carcinogens daily. The argument can be made that the past is irrelevant, but that's just not true. The fact remains that even if the juice we inhale isn't mixed/stored under pristine conditions, it would most likely take decades to do the same damage that a single day of cigarettes would do to us considering we're inhaling water, 1 or 2 chemicals, and flavoring agent.
The possible damage some of these ingredients can do (for instance VG breaking down into harmful chemicals under extreme heat) doesn't even compare to the damage some of the chemicals in cigarettes do (carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, the list goes on).
As far as I see it, PVs are damage reduction devices, and even under so-so conditions are still accomplishing that goal. Remember, PVs have never stated themselves to be healthy, just healthier. But what do I know
Absolutely!
I would rather die at the projected 95% SLOWER rate of VAPING approximately four(4) ingredients than the 4,000 plus ones in the FDA APPROVED process of producing analog cigarettes! Upon having this IN-DEPTH discussion with my Medical Doctors(Surgeon-Radiologist-Cardiologist and GP) and YES! they ALL are informed about e-cigs, do concur and sincerely support any positive act/process that moves everyone away from smoking those rolled up pieces of TAR paper and reduces the extreme risk of that act/habit to a minimal level of risk to those that almost hopelessly tried to quit the addiction(until vaping came along)that is so cleverly built in by the Tobacco Industry.
So who do we trust? Those that think they know what is best for us EVERYDAY?
Or those that vaping has helped us Break Free from that "extremely costly" analog form of death!
My vote is for Vaping!
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