Can I fix this juice?

[Keesie]

I'm desperate for help in fixing the juice I bought. I made a big order, enough to last the year and forgot to ask for enough vg. The throat hit is now unbearable. I wanted the nicotine in 30%vg and the doubler in 50%vg. I got the nicotine in 10%vg and the doubler in 30%vg. How can I fix this??? Please tell me there is a way to do it. I'm guessing I should add vg but I don't know how much and will this take away from the flavor. I like a smooth flavor and now it's harsh. Also, can I get kosher vg at Walmart? If so where? If not, where? Sorry for so many questions but I'm desperate. By the way, I'm using 12mg nicotine. Thanks for all of your help.

 

[MaxUT]

This looks like the good stuff:

Amazon.com: Glycerin Vegetable Kosher USP - 1 Pint (17.5 Oz.): Health & Personal Care

Yes, adding VG will reduce both flavor and nicotine strength, but you can add flavor and nicotine if necessary.

What kind of juice did you get, and how much is a year's supply for you?

 

[Keesie]

I'm using wintergreen from Tasty Vapor. I got 4 one oz bottles of 48mg nicotine and 3 four oz doublers. I'm just guessing about the year but I think I'll be close. Do you have any idea how much vg I would need to add per oz? I'm vaping 12mg nicotine now and hoping to go down some more this year. Also, how do I add flavor in case I lose the taste from adding vg. Thanks so very much for your help. I'm close to panicking. Also, sorry for the delay in getting back. I work 12hr night shifts.

 

[MaxUT]

(4) 1-oz bottles (of 48mg) = 118.28 mL.
Converted to 12mg, you'd have: 48mg /12mg = 4 ... 4 x 118.28 mL = 473 mL of 12mg juice.
You'd need 12 oz of doubler to make this much 12mg juice and that's what you have.
Stretched out over a year, it amounts to just under 1.3 mL per day.

What you wanted:
48mg at 30% VG
Doubler at 50% Vg
Juice would have been 45% VG. 30% + (50% x 3) = 180... 180 /4 = 45 > 45%

What you got:
48mg is 10% VG
Doubler is 30% VG
Juice comes out at 25% VG. 10% + (30% x 3) = 100... 100 /4 = 25 > 25%

So, it looks like you need to add an additional 20% VG to the mix.
You might find that more flavoring is unnecessary. The difference in taste will be noticeable, but flavoring is responsible for some of the throat hit. My Tasty Vapor Tin Box Mint was super strong in taste and I ended up adding 50% unflavored 24mg VG base to tame the mint.

You might try using 25% VG and this would simplify mixing:
1 part 48mg juice
2 parts Doubler
1 part VG

I've seen big medicine droppers for children at Walgreens, and this could work well for measuring your proportions.
Live a healthier life - Walgreens

I usually suggest that DIYers thin their VG before using it in mixes, for several reasons:
1) it's much easier to measure (100% VG is as thick as honey)
2) thinning is a necessity if you use cartomizers
3) it's more consistent to thin in a big batch
4) it simplifys calculations
5) it reduces steeping time slightly

To thin VG down to the viscosity of PG:
4 parts VG
1 part distilled water

Warming the container of VG helps thin it for pouring and mixing. Heat a pan of water to boiling then set it aside for 2-3minutes to let the pan's bottom cool slightly. Stand the bottle of VG in the pan and let it set for 10 minutes or so. Remove the bottle and wrap it with a kitchen towel to hold in heat and protect your hand. Loosen the cap carefully in case pressure has built up in the bottle. The VG should pour easily now.

If you do decide to add more flavoring I suggest getting that advice from DIYers who have used wintergreen, because I have had very little experience with it. Maybe you could start another thread with a title like: "What's your favorite Wintergreen flavoring?"

Good luck Keesie, and I hope this helps!

 

[Zal42]

If you do decide to add more flavoring I suggest getting that advice from DIYers who have used wintergreen, because I have had very little experience with it. Maybe you could start another thread with a title like: "What's your favorite Wintergreen flavoring?"

My main vape is a wintergreen I mix myself. I use TPA's wintergreen flavoring and I mix my juice with 18% flavoring (which is actually a bit on the heavy side.) I think it's quite tasty.

How much to add to an existing wintergreen juice is hard to say. I've never tried TV's wintergreen, so I don't know how potent it is. I would suggest taking 3 ml of the diluted juice and just start adding the flavoring by the drop and tasting until you get it right. Once you know how much to use in your 3 ml, you know the percentage and can make bigger batches by scaling up.

I've noticed with this flavoring that if you overdo it, the flavor starts tasting a bit bitter and loses brightness.

 

[Keesie]

Oh, thanks so much! Now I need to know if I can get the vg and flavoring at Walmart? Ordering would take much time. Hoping to get to the store tomorrow and get this fixed. What a wonderful group of folks you all are!!

 

[MaxUT]

Look for glycerin (VG) in the skin care products, or maybe the first aid section. I believe the brand name is Humco. Just make sure it says USP on the label, then it's okay to use.

(when you said "kosher" in your post, I thought you were worried about "keeping kosher")

You might find flavorings in the pharmacy section, or the kitchen section near the baking items. Lorann is the most common brand of flavorings and the wintergreen should be pretty good. Lorann Teaberry also has a wintergreen taste and might be a substitute worth trying.

 

[Keesie]

Teaberry is actually what I like best but the TV wintergreen was smooth enough to pass in vg. Thanks for all of your help and I'll be shopping tomorrow! If this works out I might try the diy thing. I was scared before thinking it was far too complicated for me with my busy schedule but if it's cheaper and not too very difficult it would be worth a try. I'll let you know how this works out.

 

[tmcase]

I'm a little late on this thread but I had a similar experience with wintergreen juice. It was so potent it about blew the back of my head off. To fix it I filled an empty 5ml bottle with unflavored juice about 3/4 full and then added 2 -3 drops of the wintergreen and it was perfect. I'll have to buy more unflavored juice but the 10ml of wintergreen will last me a life time. If you buy 18ml unflavored then you shouldn't have to add VG or you could buy 24ml unflavored and then add VG to bring the nic down to where you want it.