Can I use this coil for temperature control ?

[JokkeD86]

I have spent many hours searching for answers on google without any luck...

I use eVic VTC Mini with a Kanger Toptank Mini. I just picked up the new 0.5 ohm SSOCC (Stainless Steel Organic Cotton Coil) from my local vape shop. At the shop they told me that I can use this new coil in wattage mode as usual and also SS temperature control (VTC mini got this SS temperature option after a firmware upgrade)

I like to double check things... So I tried to google if they were right about the SS temperature control ability. My scary findings are that 50% percent of the vaping-community states that only the housing of the coil is stanless steel but the actual wire is nichrome, and therefore it is forbidden to use temperature control with these new coils.

The other 50% percent states that the wire is also stanless steel just like the housing, and is safe to use in temperature control. What to think? Can anyone confirm or somehow prove what is right?

I have tried writing Kanger but haven't received any answers from them. Please help a newbie. Have only been vaping for 2 weeks.

 

[suprtrkr]

I don't actually know, never having tried it, but several non-Kanger sites selling it say Stainless wire. I'd be surprised if that's not true; industry standard is to mark coils with wire type for all non-Kanthal wire, and blank for wattage mode only. I would not hesitate to try it if your eVic has the firmware for SS. If it's not Stainless, your mod should kick back to wattage mode. Note also there are different grades of SS used, and each has a different TCR. If you can figure out which grade Kanger is using-- I don't know-- you might want to put in the TCR for it.

 

[DavidOck]

Don't use those, myself, and alas, you're still to fresh on the board to be allowed links, but this from the MVS site:


Description

Kanger NEBOX SSOCC Atomizer Heads

Available Coils:

• Kanger SSOCC Atomizer head - 0.5Ω/ohm
• Kanger SSOCC Atomizer head - Clapton - 0.5Ω/ohm
• Kanger SSOCC Atomizer head - 1.2Ω/ohm
• Kanger SSOCC Atomizer head - 1.5Ω/ohm
• Kanger SSOCC Atomizer head - Ni200 - 0.15Ω/ohm (Nickel Coil for temp control devices)

Clapton wire offer greater surface area resulting in increased vapor production.

These replacement atomizer heads feature pure organic Japanese cotton wicks. The 0.15 ohm coils are wrapped from pure Nickel (NI-200) wire, allowing you to monitor and limit the temperature your coils are reaching. Because these coils are only for use on temperature sensing devices like the Evolv"s DNA 40 board, the silicone rings are blue for ease of identification. Get performance and peace of mind, pick up the new temperature sensing OCC coils for your Subtank today!

So it seems that ONLY the 0.15 ohm coils with the BLUE silicone rings are TC coils, the rest power mode only.

 

[Clydde26]

Does side of the housing say SS. If so it's SS wire. And there for can be used in TC mode.

Here is a helpful chart:

 

[JokkeD86]

Does side of the housing say SS. If so it's SS wire. And there for can be used in TC mode.

Here is a helpful chart:

View attachment 534940

Wow! Thanks.. but where did you get that chart from? My coil bottom sealing was actually pink and SS wire if your chart is right... I just trashed the coil because it was constantly showing "protection" warning in SS temp mode and stopped the heating. That made be believe that the coil was not for temperature control, so your chart surprised me a lot!! Maybe I just had a bad coil?

 

[Clydde26]

Got it off of kanger Facebook page and this is the coil I have one

Totally doable...or was although you trashed it

 

[MrDripper]

Yes, to @Clydde26 you listen...
I have the eVic mini as well. If it is stamped SS on the casing, you may use the SS mode on the eVic.
As always, Vape On!

 

[Clydde26]

Protection stops the coil from going above the set temp all my stainless coils I tc I have to vape at 600 degrees to avoid the constant temp protect

 

[suprtrkr]

Oh dear! "Protection" means it's working, not that it's bad. What happens is, the mod uses the watts you set (or it's maximum in some cases) to get the coil up to your temperature setting. Once it's there, it enters protection mode and pulses the power to keep it at the set temp and not go over it. What it means when it says protection is it is no longer using full power on the coil because it doesn't have to; the coil is at temperature and it's only using enough power to keep it there. It should vape just fine like that.

 

[JokkeD86]

Oh dear! "Protection" means it's working, not that it's bad. What happens is, the mod uses the watts you set (or it's maximum in some cases) to get the coil up to your temperature setting. Once it's there, it enters protection mode and pulses the power to keep it at the set temp and not go over it. What it means when it says protection is it is no longer using full power on the coil because it doesn't have to; the coil is at temperature and it's only using enough power to keep it there. It should vape just fine like that.

Don't "Oh dear" me I am a newbie, remember

I was not clear enough before.. I could not even get a single vape from my coil because it went in "protection" right away - no vapor at all. I'm sure thats not right for TC, so my guess is that the coil was a bad one with a failure of some sort..... Anyways, I now know that these new SSOCC coils (with a pink sealing) should work with SS temp control on the eVic Mini. Thanks for all the instant feedback. What a great forum!

 

[suprtrkr]

Don't "Oh dear" me I am a newbie, remember

I was not clear enough before.. I could not even get a single vape from my coil because it went in "protection" right away - no vapor at all. I'm sure thats not right for TC, so my guess is that the coil was a bad one with a failure of some sort..... Anyways, I now know that these new SSOCC coils (with a pink sealing) should work with SS temp control on the eVic Mini. Thanks for all the instant feedback. What a great forum!

Lol, no offense. I meant "Oh dear" as in "I hope you didn't throw that away." I know you're a newbie. Tell me, what temp did or do you have set? It may simply be set too low to make vapor.

 

[JokkeD86]

Lol, no offense. I meant "Oh dear" as in "I hope you didn't throw that away." I know you're a newbie. Tell me, what temp did or do you have set? It may simply be set too low to make vapor.

Haha all right.. It was set to 140 celsius. I'm gonna by some new coils this week and see how it goes.

I noticed that the wattage also can be set while in temperature mode.. How high wattage should be? and how high temperature? The guy at the vape shop told me I should not vape it past 180 degrees (celsius) for safety issues.

By the way I use the battery: Sony VTC5 (green), and assume thats OK with temperature control?

Thanks for the help everyone.

 

[Clydde26]

Bump that puppy up to 210-230. Your in temp control that is your safety. No need to buy new coils that one will work just fine. Your not in any danger raising that temp up. Not calling your vape shop guy out or anything but he is wrong. I almost exclusive vape at 475 degrees which is around 240 Celsius. Never had a safety issue.

 

[suprtrkr]

Haha all right.. It was set to 140 celsius. I'm gonna by some new coils this week and see how it goes.

I noticed that the wattage also can be set while in temperature mode.. How high wattage should be? and how high temperature? The guy at the vape shop told me I should not vape it past 180 degrees (celsius) for safety issues.

By the way I use the battery: Sony VTC5 (green), and assume thats OK with temperature control?

Thanks for the help everyone.

The wattage in TC mode doesn't matter much so long as you aren't getting long ramp up times. If you push the button and the vapor is there, it's high enough. If you have to wait for vapor, increase the wattage. For the mod, the temp setting controls the vape, the wattage is just a "do not exceed" limit. Once the wire gets to temp, it backs off the power to hold it. 140C is less than 300F. I usually vape in the 400-450F range, myself. Try raising your temp a bit. The VTC5 is a very good 20A battery,

 

[Completely Average]

Just as an FYI...

SSOCC only means the casing is stainless steel. It has nothing at all to do with the wire type inside.

Ni200 coils will have Ni stamped on the casing and have blue O-rings on the bottom
Nichrome coils will have NC stamped on the casing and have red O-rings on the bottom
Stainless Steel will have SS stamped on the casing and have pink O-rings on the bottom
Clapton coils will have Clapton stamped on the casing and have black O-rings on the bottom.

 

[Clydde26]

Already posted a chart in an earlier post Mr. Average.

 

[JokkeD86]

Already posted a chart in an earlier post Mr. Average.

Yeah, but the information from Mr. Average is confusing I think! I just thought I had the answer and could start vaping this thing :-(

Is he right? and what kind of wire is inside the stupid coil then? According to the chart you got from Facebook it should be stainless steel...
I am talking about the very same coil, as you posted on a picture ealier (pink sealing SSOCC with "SS" on the side) Is it just a coincidence that the wire in this exact coil (if stainless steel) matches the casing/housing?

 

[edyle]

The wattage in TC mode doesn't matter much so long as you aren't getting long ramp up times. If you push the button and the vapor is there, it's high enough. If you have to wait for vapor, increase the wattage. For the mod, the temp setting controls the vape, the wattage is just a "do not exceed" limit. Once the wire gets to temp, it backs off the power to hold it. 140C is less than 300F. I usually vape in the 400-450F range, myself. Try raising your temp a bit. The VTC5 is a very good 20A battery,

on the evic vtc mini, the wattage is not a 'do not exceed' limit.
the way mine operates is, even though i have the wattage set to 15, the evic vtc mini always starts at 30 watts;
once it gets up to temperature, that's when it drops.


As for the 'protection' thing, there is an overtempertature protection for if the chip is too hot.

 

[Clydde26]

Yea coincidence the wire is same as the casing.
The wattage is more like acceleration. It is the speed at which you get up to your desired temp. Higher the watts quicker you hit that temp.

 

[JokkeD86]

Got it off of kanger Facebook page and this is the coil I have one
View attachment 534942
Totally doable...or was although you trashed it

Just visited every vape shop in all off Copenhagen (we have 5) and they don't have the stainless steel coil (pink sealing) anywhere. I also checked the webpage from the manufacturer and could not locate this coil.

Isn't it strange that it's not to find on Kangers own webpage? Please give me a name of a firm that ships these coils