Can't get any throat hit

[wseyller]

I am new to DIY and for two days I have mixed about four different batches of e juice just experimenting. I have been using the ejuice Me Up software.

So far about the only e juice I have vaped is from Dark City Vapor and I get 80% pg / 20% vg. I get tons of throat hit that I love. Enough to make me choke on it went I first started with an e cigarette.

So far I cannot get any throat hit at all out of any liquids I make no matter how much I crank up the voltage on my provari. Everything I've read tells me that more pg causes the throat hit.

In the end I decided to load up a new boge LR cartomizer with 100% plain PG (nothing else, no flavor, no nic, or vg). I vaped it several times and nothing. What is it that Dark City Vapor does that gives me the great throat hit. Is there another ingredient or is the PG I bought a disappointment.

Here is everything I have purchased:

Propylene Glycol - Food Grade USP - 1 Half Gallon (64 Oz.)
Vegetable Glycerine Kosher USP - 1 Quart (32 Oz.)

100mg- 60ml Unflavored Nicotine-PG (Stormy's Vapor Cellar) (I diluted this to 38mg and is now a 75%pg / 25%vg mixture) Flavors from Perfumers Apprentice White Chocolate Flavor-4oz Cappuccino Flavor-4oz Cotton Candy Flavor-1 oz Cheesecake Flavor-1 oz Strawberry Flavor-1 oz Vanilla Bean Ice Cream Flavor-1 oz Waffle Flavor **-1 oz​

 

[Jstcriusen]

What MG you mixing it down to? In my experience I can get any throat hit from plain pg or vg at all.
I IMO pg seems to be a better carrier for NIC which makes for a better throat hit. Just like it does for flavorings.
Dunno if thats true but it seems to be in my experience..........

Also some flavors seem to mellow the throat hit, but not do away with it.
I also find that anything lower then 24 mg doesnt do it for me on the throat hit.

Is it possible you messed up some where and have a lower NIC then you think you do?
I mix 50/50 at 24MG and throat hit is great through out the voltage range.

 

[wseyller]

Definitely no mix up. The batches i did had a target nic of 18mg. I could tell the nic was there plenty. My wife vapes only 6mg of nic @ 80% pg from dark city vapor and throat hit is all good just the same.

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[buffaloguy]

Ive read several times from the more experienced diy'ers here that the nicotine level has more to do with throat hit than anything else. They will correct me if I am wrong but my experience says the same cause I vape 100% vg bases and the only time i ever get any real throat is when I have over a 20mg nic base.

That being said you can add throat hit by using some pure grain alcohol, everclear, or even capsacin flavorinv to your liquids.

 

[wseyller]

That being said you can add throat hit by using some pure grain alcohol, everclear, or even capsacin flavorinv to your liquids.

Well with only 6mg of nic ive seen major throat hit from the only supplier ive used. I have read through the subject recently and have also read that the ingredients you mention can produce more throat hit. I do have everclear grain alcohol 151 proof. I am willing to try it but how much to use i dont know. I couldnt imagine using more than a drop or two per 5ml.



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[buffaloguy]

I dont personally use alcohol in my liquids, so Im going on the things Ive read. I cant speak as to how much to use. My assumption is that its still treated as a dilutent like distilled water would be in a mix. I use dw to thin my juices, not alcohol.

Im sure one of our more experienced diy'ers can school us.

 

[Shilo]

You haven't named the throat hit flavor from Dark City or told us how much flavoring you've added to your mix or are you vaping it unflavored? Those flavors take time to come to complete fruition before a taste test is accurate. If you want throat hit and you're not getting it at that high mg nicotine I'd go for the alcohol based flavorings like Vaping Zone and Ecigexpress's newer lines. This DIY stuff has a learning curve most of that being finding flavors that work for you and determining the best percentage for that flavor and then progressive from there to making multiple flavors together.

 

[wseyller]

You haven't named the throat hit flavor from Dark City.

Mountain 55, Mountain 55 Menthol, White Chocolate Cappuccino, Tennessee Hooch, Chocolate Liquor, Extreme Mint, Kitty Kisses, Turkish Hills, Orange Dreamsicle, French Vanilla Cappuccino. Some of them I have in more than one nic amount. For example Mountain 55 I have in 6mg, 15mg and 24mg. All the same throat hit. Only difference was the higher nic versions are a little darker in color. All liquids 80%pg / 20%vg

All of these flavors have great throat hit. So I assumed all of his flavors are like this.

how much flavoring you've added to your mix or are you vaping it unflavored?

1st mix:
Nicotine 38mg PG75/VG25 = 48%
PG = 15%
VG = 18%
PA Wh Choco = 10%
PA Cappuccino = 8%
Cotton Candy = 1%

2nd mix:
Nicotine 38mg PG75/VG25 = 40%
PG = 12%
VG = 20%
PA Wh Choco = 20%
PA Cappuccino = 86
Cotton Candy = 2%

3rd mix:
Nicotine 38mg PG75/VG25 = 48%
PG = 24%
VG = 8%
Cheesecake = 20%

4th mix:
Nicotine 38mg PG75/VG25 = 0%
PG = 60%
VG = 20%
Strawbetty PA = 7%
Waffle PA = 13%

5th test was I injected 100% pg with no flavoring into a carto and vaped it. I was originally under the impression that pg was the main ingredient to throat hit.

I know I should let them sit at least a day, but I was to anxious to try them. Dark City Vapor is located about an hour away from me. When he gets my order he gets it out the door quick. The liquid could be barely a couple days old when I use it and it is good flavor and throat hit right away. I just tried my 1st mix this morning in a new carto. Still the same (no throat hit) after 1 1/2 days of sitting. From everything I have mixed up I can't even feel the vapor entering my throat. I will not get any other flavorings until I can make what I have work. Either it works or I move on from it. I'm not going to invest thousands of dollars trying every flavor on the planet to find which ones work. Hopefully I will find an additive to make it work, such as the everclear. If everclear is a viable option, then how much do I use.

 

[wv2win]

..............5th test was I injected 100% pg with no flavoring into a carto and vaped it. I was originally under the impression that pg was the main ingredient to throat hit...................If everclear is a viable option, then how much do I use.

PG does NOT provide throat hit. It simply allows the throat hit from nicotine to come through better than VG does. Additives to eliquid, like PGA (everclear) do not provide throat hit. Some additives like pepper do provide throat irritation but not throat hit provided by nicotine strength and warmth of the vapor.

The nicotine you have may have been mis-labeled in strength or old if you rule out a mixing error.

Good luck with your experimentation.

 

[wseyller]

PG does NOT provide throat hit. It simply allows the throat hit from nicotine to come through better than VG does. Additives to eliquid, like PGA (everclear) do not provide throat hit. Some additives like pepper do provide throat irritation but not throat hit provided by nicotine strength and warmth of the vapor.

The nicotine you have may have been mis-labeled in strength or old if you rule out a mixing error.

Good luck with your experimentation.

Interesting but I am still wondering how 6mg nic eliquid from DCV gives me good throat hit like the 24mg liquid does. Some of the information posting/blogs I have seen on this forum are misleading then about pg. They read that more pg gives you more throat hit. It suggest to new members that pg is the sole cause of it. It's like discovering that the universe doesn't really revolve around the earth.

 

[wseyller]

Can anyone point me to a pg nic base that is believed to be 100% reliable. I want to get different nic to see if anything is different.

What I currently have I definitely mixed right. I have good lab equipment at work I used and made sure I mixed it right. I measured 60ml of the 100mg pg based nic. Measured 60ml of plain pg and 40ml of plain vg. To make 37.5 ml liquid at 75% pg / 25% vg. The only thing I am not certain is if what I bought was really 100mg. But when I vape it I can tell I'm getting a good dosage of nic in my body. I want to try a different reliable source to compare.

 

[GrannyM]

Hi Wseyller,
Let's see if we can get this figured out for you.

1st thing that struck me odd from your post was this statement: "For example Mountain 55 I have in 6mg, 15mg and 24mg. All the same throat hit. Only difference was the higher nic versions are a little darker in color. All liquids 80%pg / 20%vg".

All things being equal, you should definitely notice a difference in throat hit from nicotine between these levels.

Assuming those bottles of juice have been shaken up & truly blended, I think it's possible that it's the flavors & the %'s used that are making the difference for you. I haven't used all of the flavors that you list & am not familiar with the pre-made juices from that particular vendor. However, I will say this. Different flavors are known for providing different levels of "throat hit". To me, I would describe this more as a "harshness" rather than the throat hit I get from nicotine.

For example, if I have a flavor that is too harsh I often add EM (cotton candy) to smooth it out. I see that you added EM to some of your mixes. Maybe try using less EM or leaving it out entirely?

Also I find sometimes that too much of a flavor will make it seem harsh. Then I reduce the % used. Maybe you should try adding more flavor to increase the harshness for you? and just a suggestion, but I think it might be easier for you if you started with single flavor mixtures. This will give you a better idea of the characteristics of each flavor separately.

Further, I find the creamy type flavors less harsh as a rule. So your cheesecake mix just might inherently be low on throat hit

Regarding the pg/vg thing. I think wv2win describes this very well above. In my experience, you have to have at least some VG to get that "fullness", but the more VG used, the "smoother" the vape. I use 80PG/20VG the majority of the time & it works well for me.

Finally, about the idea of adding everclear. It is possible that your juice vendor added this to his liquids & this is what you are feeling. Personally, I've never experienced a difference when I've tried this, but Hey we're all different so maybe it's worth a shot. That being said, start low & build from there & be aware that PGA will thin your juice.

Hope this helps you a little.

 

[wv2win]

Interesting but I am still wondering how 6mg nic eliquid from DCV gives me good throat hit like the 24mg liquid does. Some of the information posting/blogs I have seen on this forum are misleading then about pg. They read that more pg gives you more throat hit. It suggest to new members that pg is the sole cause of it. It's like discovering that the universe doesn't really revolve around the earth.

Like any forum, there are those who know what they are doing and those who don't. Although it is not a hard and fast rule, I do look at how much experience someone has when I question a comment or advice. Throat hit is about 90% nicotine strength and warmth of the vapor. The VAST majority of experienced vapers will tell you the throat hit from 6mg nicotine strength liquid is minimal. Not saying non-existent but not pronouced at all. Maybe you are confusing a throat irritation(heavy menthol, pepper, etc in the liquid) with throat hit (inhalded feel of smoking) when comparing the two or maybe the 24mg was not really 24mg - who knows.

I and many vets have tried about every additive mentioned on ECF to increase TH and few of us have found that they work from the posts I have read.

I hope you figure it out.

 

[wseyller]

With the Mountain 55 I really didn't notice any difference. I didn't try them at during the same period of time. But I got good throat hit on all of them from what I remember. It is hard to measure throat hit and compare it to memory. Voltage settings may have been different in some cases. I don't have anymore except 15mg so I can't try it out again. But I have never noticed a difference in throat hit from any liquid I have gotten from DCV. The only other liquid I tried was from vaporgod (choc hazelnut 80pg/20vg 18mg nic). It was almost clear as water and had only a small amount of throat hit and didn't taste very good to my liking. And vaporgod menthol for my wife. It was super uber duper method and was like vaping liquid nitrogen. I literally felt like my throat was nearly frozen for about five minutes.

The stuff I made I can barely feel the vapor enter my throat nor do I feel anything on the exhale. The only way I am vaping is the flavors and I can see vapor coming out.

I just ordered 9 packs of boge cartos from DCV and get 5ml free. Getting 9 different new flavors to try.

Thanks to all with the free DIY lesson. Now i'm more educated on the subject.