Cant post in classified section??

[RippleInStillWater]

You know, I'm sort of amazed by this all tbh.......I saved more than the cost of the membership the first deal I ever made with Pete54 )) on the classys, is this cost really worth complaining this much about? Also, I have had moderator intervention twice when deals went squirrelly, I felt that the moderators do as much as they can with the limited resources at their disposal -- was I completely happy with the decision? Of course not but it was fair and that's all you can ask.

Some bad apples spoiled the barrel, the forum just wants to make sure it doesn't happen as well as it can, I think its the only reaction they could take with the increase in sleazebags........8-o

 

[j0ker]

First of all. the current system is temporary. We are working on a solution to relax this by verifying members, so please be patient.

The staff and I made numerous responses in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/classifieds-swaps/251778-important-notice-please-read.html, we do listen and take your thoughts into consideration. You also have to understand we have a job to do and one of those is protecting our membership, not just 2, 3 or 100 members but all of them. Too many people have been scammed and we won't stand for that any longer. Sure the new rule hurts honest people but it also provides protection for all our members, no matter how inconvenient it is.

All we are asking is for you to be patient and we'll have a process in place soon to circumvent the current limits in place.

 

[Simplejack]

Photo of ID along with proof of verified Paypal address. Send $1 to ECF to get the info. then you can store the basic detail of each member only to verify and to give them special verified membership status and only these people will have access to classified section to sell or to buy, which ever is needed. Still no guarantee, but I really don't see it getting much better then this. It's not a invasion of privacy as whoever random person you sell or buy from will have this same info anyway. The person sending a photo copy of their ID can black out anything unnessasary, but for the most part, just need the addresses to match. Just a idea since your still in the process of coming up with ideas anyway

I have verified over $50,000 is sales/customer verification all over the world, I think I have a good idea of what I'm talking about more then most people here.

 

[j0ker]

Photo of ID along with proof of verified Paypal address. Send $1 to ECF to get the info. then you can store the basic detail of each member only to verify and to give them special verified membership status. Still no guarantee, but I really don't see it getting much better then this. It's not a invasion of privacy as whoever random person you sell or buy from will have this same info anyway. The person sending a photo copy of their ID can black out anything unnessasary, but for the most part, just need the addresses to match. Just a idea since your still in the process of coming up with ideas anyway

No, we won't be using the photo ID idea due to the legalities of storage of these credentials. Storing of such information requires much more security than what we currently have in place. This would be considerably expensive and we aren't considering this option. This did get us pointed in the correct direction when considering the member verification. I won't go into details as of yet, since all this is still being decided but the process will be fairly easy.

Many of the things being suggested here were suggested in the announcement. I know it's a long read but reading through the thread will give you an opportunity to see what's been suggested and some of the responses to those suggestions.It may also trigger a new idea, which we welcome. Thread is here - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/classifieds-swaps/251778-important-notice-please-read.html

 

[doots]

apparently there were 13 transactions gone bad in november with most, if not all, originating from 2 or 3 members out to scam. even though 13 transactions are a small percentage of the overall activities it is still 13 people who lost their money.
i commend ecf administration for trying to minimize the opportunities scammers have here ......
there will always be some drawbacks to solutions but that doesn't mean a problem can be ignored.

Exactly Ti, Ecf is looking out for its members. I know it hurts some but something had to be done..

 

[Simplejack]

No, we won't be using the photo ID idea due to the legalities of storage of these credentials. Storing of such information requires much more security than what we currently have in place. This would be considerably expensive and we aren't considering this option. This did get us pointed in the correct direction when considering the member verification. I won't go into details as of yet, since all this is still being decided but the process will be fairly easy.

Many of the things being suggested here were suggested in the announcement. I know it's a long read but reading through the thread will give you an opportunity to see what's been suggested and some of the responses to those suggestions.It may also trigger a new idea, which we welcome. Thread is here - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/classifieds-swaps/251778-important-notice-please-read.html

ok thanks for responding.
As 1 more quick thought about the idea. Even if the ID photos where not stored, they can at least be quickly viewed and basically their account name on ECF will get a stamp of verified. No need to keep the records, just a quick look and a ok by a appointed staff member. But a verified Paypal account will also have to be looked at and match because then people will just get fake ID's
I'm done posting as everything that needs to be said has been said and thanks for reading my suggestions .

 

[j0ker]

ok thanks for responding.
As 1 more quick thought about the idea. Even if the ID photos where not stored, they can at least be quickly viewed and basically their account name on ECF will get a stamp of verified. No need to keep the records, just a quick look and a ok by a appointed staff member. But a verified Paypal account will also have to be looked at and match because then people will just get fake ID's
I'm done posting as everything that needs to be said has been said and thanks for reading my suggestions .

Paypal verification is a given, since this is the main medium for transferring money. We appreciate all suggestions and also appreciate the understanding that this hasn't been an easy choice. I think most will agree, we've taken the voice of the membership into consideration and admit initially our measures were a little too stern but as mentioned before, our member's protection is important to us. Once we realized we may have been too stringent in our new rule, we listened and made changes we felt were a reasonable compromise. Did it satisfy everyone? No, but we aren't finished and are actively making efforts to create an avenue for those members ineligible, whom are trustworthy, and want to participate in the classified section.

As said before, please be patient and all this will be resolved soon.

 

[Batsu]

perhaps the addition of another sub forum where only low value items can be posted and everyone can use it, maybe juices, attys, low value 510 stuff, that kinda crap. just a thought.

 

[incognito1]

I fully agree that protective measures need to be in place for the classifieds. My concern is the over valuing of the veteran and super member status. I'd rather see a mix of factors involved and have only supporting members be allowed to sell but at a reduced fee. For example you must be a supporting member be on this forum for a month and have 100 posts. This way your personal information is known and there is risk of loss involved for the scammer.

You can even implement a graduated system where you can't just pop in and sell a fake $300 Darwin kit or something.

As I see it you have barriers to entry that don't necessarily protect buyers (super and veteran status) and at the same time you're killing off a large network effect with having a large and robust classifieds section. If you guys do it right it could be a boon for both visitors and the owners.

 

[Sugarekis]

Bumping this thread to get your opinion.

 

[sotong]

I seldom post to sell... but it will be good if a timeline can be advised...

 

[swedishfish]

I think it's great that the forum allows any sort of classifieds at all.

 

[cags]

I think it's great that the forum allows any sort of classifieds at all.

especially with all the complaining! it is a free forum unless one chooses to join!

 

[RippleInStillWater]

The forum is working on a revamped system from what I understand that may require some new software, I would think that revised rules may go into operation next month.....

 

[Valsacar]

We're fairly close to having the first step implemented. I would like to point out, for all those naysayers, that the new processes were devised through discussions with mods AND selected members (some of whom are ones that haven't always gotten along with the staff in the past... or even currently). Those that have been participating in the discussions are ones that used classifieds a fair amount, and more importantly actually showed that they had ideas and not just complaints.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Thanks for the update! I'm a new member and even just a week in, I've already found the classifieds extremely useful.

 

[Simplejack]

I have a bunch of stuff I need to sell, so hopefully I will be able to sell soon..