Captain Black (Black Cavendish) Pipe Tobacco NET - DELICIOUS!

[Trayce]

Man, I shocked even myself tonight with my second Captain Black NET. It is so freakin' good. It tastes like Captain Black smells, instead of tasting like how Captain Black tastes when smoked. (For those familiar with Captain Black, it is a Black Cavendish pipe tobacco with an absolutely heavenly delicious smell. However, when smoked, it doesn't taste like it smells. It has a harsher, more tobacco-y flavor. Though nice, it's way different from how it smells.)

Well, the first NET I made from CB tobacco a few weeks ago using PG came out fine. It smelled like Captain Black and when vaped, tasted like how CB tastes when smoked. But PG makes me cough so I made a new NET tonight using VG and did a few things different and OMG!! WHAT A DIFFERENCE! This actually vapes/tastes like how Captain Black SMELLS! And with NO steeping!

I did the quickie microwave method both times, but as we all know from using microwaves, whatever you put your food on or in affects the way the food cooks. For example, if you put something in a plastic baggie it heats a lot faster than if you put in on a plate. The plate absorbs some of the microwaves so the time has to be increased.

So I don't know if this had anything to do with it, but the first time I made it I used a ceramic coffee mug and cooked the PG/tobacco for about 7 seconds, then waited, then 7 seconds again. This time I used 100% VG and a crystal cup [made for serving cream], about the size of a coffee cup, and cooked it a little longer, as follows:

Best Captain Black NET
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1. Placed a generous amount of CB tobacco in the bottom of the crystal creamer cup so that it covered the entire bottom maybe 3/4 inch deep. I did not cut or tear the tobacco. Just put it in directly from the pouch.

2. Poured VG over it until all the tobacco was completely covered, then stirred it around to make sure it was totally saturated, then added a little more VG so that no tobacco was 'sticking up' out of the VG.

3. Placed in 1100w microwave on high for 10 seconds. Stopped. Waited about 20 seconds. Zapped again for 9 seconds. Waited about a minute and repeated the 10s/9s routine. (You don't want it to boil, so if you know your microwave adjust the times so it gets hot without boiling.)

Note: This step smelled SO GOOD it made the whole kitchen smell like Captain Black! Whereas when I did this with the ceramic mug a few weeks earlier it had a very acrid smell even though I only cooked it 7 secs that time.

4. Let steep on the sink until cool enough to filter. I filtered twice through unbleached coffee filters, then pushed it through a food syringe stuffed with organic cotton.

It came out coffee-black and absolutely delicious. I put a drop on my IGO-L dripper and OMG.... it is out of this world. I've been dripping it all night, undiluted. Just the straight NET. It tastes 100x better than smoking Captain Black. It's really heaven.

I have no idea how much nic or other things from the tobacco are passed along with this method. And I'd recommend using it with a dripper as a tank atty will get gunky. But if you are a fan of Captain Black, this will please you to no end.

 

[DrBeaker]

Very nice process and write up. From my testing I find that as long as there is little water or moisture in the tobacco the amount of nicotine xtracted by pg or vg is very small.
I would be interested to know if anyone else has found significant quantities of nicotine in the extracted juice using just pg and vg?

 

[Trayce]

Very nice process and write up. From my testing I find that as long as there is little water or moisture in the tobacco the amount of nicotine xtracted by pg or vg is very small.
I would be interested to know if anyone else has found significant quantities of nicotine in the extracted juice using just pg and vg?

I would tend to agree as I did not add any nic to the NET and was chain vaping it off and on all night with no noticeable nic reaction. That is, it didn't feel like it had any nic to me. Hardly scientific but it does tend to support your statement.

 

[DrBeaker]

I would tend to agree as I did not add any nic to the NET and was chain vaping it off and on all night with no noticeable nic reaction. That is, it didn't feel like it had any nic to me. Hardly scientific but it does tend to support your statement.

I shoot for 50mg/ml in all my eliquid and add vg or more flavor to adjust to my taste if needed.
I test all my extractions and eliquids just to make sure I did everything correctly.
I don't have time to chain vape at work so I need to get my nic levels up quickly and discretely.
Only takes 3minutes to test your mix.

 

[ardvaark]

I'm noticing that at 10% I'm getting a nasty instant cough when inhaling this mixture?? Do I need to add some smooth to the mix? Same proceedure to make as OP. Taste is ok, just very harsh comparitively.

Peter

 

[Chinook]

Trayce, very nice write up again

I've been interested in DIY NETs and just ordered the necessary equipment. I've been thinking about this method here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cco/354182-pipe-tobacco-cigar-extraction.html

This is similar to what you are doing. But in your case, you "cooked" it until it smells right which makes sense! Good job

By the way, how did it change after being steeped for a while?

Thanks.

 

[Trayce]

I'm noticing that at 10% I'm getting a nasty instant cough when inhaling this mixture?? Do I need to add some smooth to the mix? Same proceedure to make as OP. Taste is ok, just very harsh comparitively.

Peter

Sorry I did not see this when posted and I guess it's too late now. FTR and in case you check back, you said you used it at 10%.... the formula I made is pure VG.... so I don't know what you put it in, but it's typically either the VG or PG that will cause a cough, if sensitive to one or the other.

If that isn't it, I have gotten an instant cough before too with regular flavors when something out of the ordinary happens as I take a vape... and have never been able to figure out what it is as it happens too infrequently. Sometimes I think maybe the juice pops a hot spec up the drip tube and right on to a tonsil or something.... I really can't say, but when it happens there is no vapor and just a harsh, hot feeling and an instant cough. (IS that what happened to you?) Sometimes it happens twice in a row, like the coil is having a problem, but usually clears itself up. (Maybe it's a temp hot leg or something?) Did you try it again later with the same results?

 

[Trayce]

Trayce, very nice write up again

I've been interested in DIY NETs and just ordered the necessary equipment. I've been thinking about this method here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cco/354182-pipe-tobacco-cigar-extraction.html

This is similar to what you are doing. But in your case, you "cooked" it until it smells right which makes sense! Good job

By the way, how did it change after being steeped for a while?

Thanks.

Hey Chinook! The link you provided is what I worked off of too. The first cook I did, I followed those instructions exactly but increased the from 4 sec to 7 sec b/c I used a big honkin' ceramic cup and the OP in the thread (xMackX) was using a shot glass... I knew 4 sec's would not be enough to heat the mixture in a giant ceramic mug. That's why the increase. And the only reason I didn't use a shot glass is I wanted a lot more. And it was ok, but I used PG and I am not fond of PG. Makes me cough. The brew was also a little acrid until it steeped for a few days, then with each passing day it got better. That brew was made 9-7-13 and it smells great today.

The second time (which resulted in this post) I used all VG, and knowing VG has a higher boiling point, I increased the zap time from 7 sec to 10 sec... and did a double-cook after waiting a few secs, as the first NET didn't seem as concentrated as it could have been. No acrid smell this time... just pure lovely Cpt. Black. However, the first NET (using PG) came out honey golden, and this one came out like black Harley oil. It IS a gunk-moster which is why it's best used in a dripper with a micro-coil you can dry burn and re-wick. (The first PG NET will also gunk your coil but takes longer.)

I actually use the first PG NET in a DIY juice that is my fave as far as juices go... 30ml VG, 12 drops of the PG NET, 12 drops TFA caramel, 12 drops TFA banana cream, 2 drops TFA bubblegum, 3 drops TFA Chocolate and 3 drops TFA mint candy. A reeeeeally tasty vape and I put that in the PT2.... it will run through 2 tankfuls then the coil gets gummed and needs a dry burn.

The VG NET in this post I save for my dripper and drip it 100% as is.... it is too divine to mix with other stuff, but gunks the coil after 30min or so, and need to dry burn and start over.

If I had one of those jewelry cleaners I would filter this VG NET better.... putting through two coffee filters and lots of organic [boiled] cotton ... can't really tell if there is particulate matter in it or not cause it's so dark... if I put some between my fingertips and roll them around, just looks like how motor oil would... can't see anything in it... but never put it under a microscope or anything.

As always adjust zap times to suit your microwave. And better to under-zap than over-zap. Let us know how you do with your cook! (And steeping only makes it better, though the VG brew smelled great right out of the gate.)

 

[Chinook]

Thanks for the tips Trayce That concoction you made sounds very interesting!

I will make my first brew with American Spirits Organic tobacco. I'll do it with PG and run the microwave on lower power like 50% (the unit is rated at 1000W). I've been using 50/50 PG/VG and I'm OK with it.

Depending on how this turns out, I might make second brew with VG. In your case with VG, you were able to cook it longer and multiple times. That probably brought out the goodness immediately without stepping

Some of the gunking you get is probably from the sugars in the tobacco mix? If I like my results and have gunking problems, I might get those 1 micron syringe filters. Most people that tried those were happy with those. Although, I read that 100% VG users had problems with it due to high viscosity.

 

[Trayce]

Thanks for the tips Trayce That concoction you made sounds very interesting!

I will make my first brew with American Spirits Organic tobacco. I'll do it with PG and run the microwave on lower power like 50% (the unit is rated at 1000W). I've been using 50/50 PG/VG and I'm OK with it.

I occasionally smoked American Spirit yellow pack for awhile years back.

Your mw is rated at 1000w... with a reduction in power to 50% you would have to significantly increase the zap time from 4 secs. I might humbly suggest using the tobacco from just one cigarette in a shot glass like the xMackx thread... and use full power for 4 secs, like that thread suggests. Use that as a starting point to see how it goes, so you can make adjustments accordingly. Can turn right around after that 'test' and do a larger NET on the spot with maybe a better idea of how it will turn out.

Depending on how this turns out, I might make second brew with VG. In your case with VG, you were able to cook it longer and multiple times. That probably brought out the goodness immediately without stepping

I think so. And because VG is so thick, it somehow avoided the acrid reaction I got with the PG in the cook process.

Some of the gunking you get is probably from the sugars in the tobacco mix?

Absolutely.

If I like my results and have gunking problems, I might get those 1 micron syringe filters. Most people that tried those were happy with those. Although, I read that 100% VG users had problems with it due to high viscosity.

Yeah I read something about those.... will keep that in mind. For the time being I am lucky in that I build my own coils, and the dripper is particularly easy to build a coil on, so I don't mind dry-burning, then replacing when necessary. But for sure in the future I'd like to mess around with refining that a bit.

Hope you will start a thread with the results of your American Spirit NET! Am curious to see how that turns out!

 

[Chinook]

I occasionally smoked American Spirit yellow pack for awhile years back.

Your mw is rated at 1000w... with a reduction in power to 50% you would have to significantly increase the zap time from 4 secs. I might humbly suggest using the tobacco from just one cigarette in a shot glass like the xMackx thread... and use full power for 4 secs, like that thread suggests. Use that as a starting point to see how it goes, so you can make adjustments accordingly. Can turn right around after that 'test' and do a larger NET on the spot with maybe a better idea of how it will turn out.



I think so. And because VG is so thick, it somehow avoided the acrid reaction I got with the PG in the cook process.



Absolutely.



Yeah I read something about those.... will keep that in mind. For the time being I am lucky in that I build my own coils, and the dripper is particularly easy to build a coil on, so I don't mind dry-burning, then replacing when necessary. But for sure in the future I'd like to mess around with refining that a bit.

Hope you will start a thread with the results of your American Spirit NET! Am curious to see how that turns out!

Thanks

I have a very small jar with a metal lid. I will be using that. I like the lid just in case if I do overnight brews. It'll probably take two cigarette tobaccos to fill up the bottom. I'm definitely starting very small And unfortunately, I threw away all my shot glasses! I'll be very careful not to boil the brew. I'm hoping that the kitchen will smell almost as nice tobaccoey as yours after the brew session

I might also try 50/50 PG/VG at some point. Higher boiling point than PG alone and less viscous than VG alone.

Have a nice weekend.

 

[e-pipeman]

Back before 2008 I used to smoke a pipe. I once picked up some Captain Black on holiday.

Eurgh! It tasted like burned paper soaked in cheap perfume imho.

You want to re-create that taste - good luck!

Let me know if you get Ogden's 12" flake just right.

 

[Trayce]

Thanks

I have a very small jar with a metal lid. I will be using that. I like the lid just in case if I do overnight brews. It'll probably take two cigarette tobaccos to fill up the bottom. I'm definitely starting very small And unfortunately, I threw away all my shot glasses! I'll be very careful not to boil the brew. I'm hoping that the kitchen will smell almost as nice tobaccoey as yours after the brew session

I might also try 50/50 PG/VG at some point. Higher boiling point than PG alone and less viscous than VG alone.

Sounds good. Hope it turns out great! You have a good weekend too.

Back before 2008 I used to smoke a pipe. I once picked up some Captain Black on holiday.

Eurgh! It tasted like burned paper soaked in cheap perfume imho. [...]

Hey pipeman.... sounds like your taste buds were screwed from being a smoker. Or maybe someone swiped out the CB in that pouch and replaced it with burned paper soaked in perfume.

J/K. Don't know what to tell you except everyone's different and FTR there are three different Capt Blacks: white, red and black pouch. I can't take perfume myself which is why I did a NET... the DIY tobaccos all smell/taste like either perfume or nuts. To me, CB white pouch is sweet vanilla, caramel and the most luscious cavendish I've ever smelled. Dad smoked it when I was a kid, so I love vaping it now.

Have a good one.

 

[e-pipeman]

Hey pipeman.... sounds like your taste buds were screwed from being a smoker. Or maybe someone swiped out the CB in that pouch and replaced it with burned paper soaked in perfume.

Try Ogden's 12" flake. Just try it. Captain Black will be a distant memory.

 

[Trayce]

Try Ogden's 12" flake. Just try it. Captain Black will be a distant memory.

A quick Google turned up St Bruno's flake ??? You happen to have a link so I can see a pic?

Am always willing to add a new tobacco to my very short list, however, knocking Capt Black white pouch out of the #1 spot is sort of like telling me Breaking Bad wasn't a very good series. Will have to agree to disagree on that one, my friend. But am looking forward to seeing what you covet there...

 

[e-pipeman]

A quick Google turned up St Bruno's flake ??? You happen to have a link so I can see a pic?

Am always willing to add a new tobacco to my very short list, however, knocking Capt Black white pouch out of the #1 spot is sort of like telling me Breaking Bad wasn't a very good series. Will have to agree to disagree on that one, my friend. But am looking forward to seeing what you covet there...

Well now Bobby... St.Bruno was also a nasty tobacco with hints of eau de cologne (funny TV ads though).

Ogden's 12" is probably an English thing - I know it turned into 6" only about 20 yrs ago. But that's yesterday to me.

If you want a truly beastly one try Condor.

 

[Trayce]

Well now Bobby... St.Bruno was also a nasty tobacco with hints of eau de cologne (funny TV ads though).

Ogden's 12" is probably an English thing - I know it turned into 6" only about 20 yrs ago. But that's yesterday to me.

If you want a truly beastly one try Condor.

Condor? What happened to Ogdens? How quickly you drop one mistress for another! I did find references to Odgen's 6 Walnut flake but nutty tobacco's are not my thing. I like the caramel, vanilla stuff. Black & Mild... Dark cavendish... As for wanting something "beastly" I was perfectly happy with Capt Black, so I am not wanting for anything. Was just going to give your Ogden's a try.

BTW 20 years ago feels like yesterday to me too... and 20 more than that feels nearly the same.

 

[Chinook]

Trayce. let is know your tasting notes especially between the VG and PG extracts

 

[e-pipeman]

Condor? What happened to Ogdens? How quickly you drop one mistress for another! I did find references to Odgen's 6 Walnut flake but nutty tobacco's are not my thing. I like the caramel, vanilla stuff. Black & Mild... Dark cavendish... As for wanting something "beastly" I was perfectly happy with Capt Black, so I am not wanting for anything. Was just going to give your Ogden's a try.

BTW 20 years ago feels like yesterday to me too... and 20 more than that feels nearly the same.

I really wasn't saying that Condor was good. It tasted like a diseased version of Eau du Cologne.

Really foul. Had funny tv ads though. "It's that Condor moment...".

Yeah - that's when you really have to throw up!

 

[Trayce]

Trayce. let is know your tasting notes especially between the VG and PG extracts

The PG extract tasted like Cpt Black tastes when smoked, versus how it smells. It smells very sweet like caramel and vanilla cavendish, but if you smoke it, it has a harsher, less sweet flavor. The PG extract was like that ... the same taste as smoking it.

The VG extract tastes exactly like Capt Black SMELLS. Sweet and wonderful.

I use the PG extract at about 15% in DIY juice with other flavors and it's my favorite mixed juice.

I vape the VG NET pure on a dripper.

It's weird b/c I read NETs will taste like the tobacco SMELLS... and that was true of my VG NETs, but my PG NET def tastes like how the tobacco tastes when SMOKED and not how it smells. YMMV!!