Carto problem with Woodvil 18490

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I love these little shorty 1.7 ohm cartos (mini resurrectors) and they work great on my mini Woodvil and reg Woodvil but they don't work on my 18490. They don't make contact. I tried using an adapter, sqonked just enough to get the carto wet and it seemed to be working fine but then I quonked again lightly and the juice well filled up. It's not a sealed adapter but juice isn't reaching the carto. I took the adapter off and cleaned the well out and pulled the center pin out of the carto a little ways but was worried that would cause a short so I didn't go too far but it's still not making contact. When I screw the carto in it bottoms out before it makes contact. I can't figure out why the juice isn't getting through the adapter now when it did on the first squonk. I've had troubles with other cartos not making contact on the 18490 but would work on my reg Woodvil and mini woodvil but I don't remember which brand that was now. Help!!
 

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With adapters, it can become a PITA as you have already noticed. Making it harder to feed your carto. If it's not making contact then it doesn't hurt to pull the pin out a little bit more until it does make contact. Just don't tighten the carto all too much (just until it makes contact) and you should be fine.

Ok, thanks Wash. But I'm gonna hold you to that. :p
 

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LOL No problem and that should definitely work. I do this type of stuff all the time. Just be careful and pull it out a little bit at a time. The only way it won't work is if there is something that is wrong with the carto itself.

I pulled the pin out farther that what would normally be considered safe. It felt like it was bottoming out. So I tightened the carto a bit and it move a fraction of an inch but still didn't make contact so I tightened it again knowing something bad was going to happen but the carto wouldn't tighten down. It just kept turning. The threads on the Woodvil are fine and the treads on the carto are fine. I tried it on an ego and it worked ok. So I don't get it.

Wait a minute, I just had a brain fart...........I just tried another carto, one that I've been using on my mini Woodvil and it works fine so there is just something fishy about the other one. I'll try another new one and see if that one works.
 

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I put a new carto on and it is making contact but......it doesn't shut off when I take my finger off the switch. It keeps sizzling for a couple seconds and it's burning my juice. I've been using these cartos on my other Woodvils with no problem. Nope, can't use that carto anymore. It's burnt. Rob, where are you? :ohmy:
 

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What do you mean by bottoming out? You probably pulled it out a little further than what you should have. Which explains why you can't tighten it anymore. From what you explained. That carto probably is a dud. Good that the other carto worked out for you.


I pulled the pin out farther that what would normally be considered safe. It felt like it was bottoming out. So I tightened the carto a bit and it move a fraction of an inch but still didn't make contact so I tightened it again knowing something bad was going to happen but the carto wouldn't tighten down. It just kept turning. The threads on the Woodvil are fine and the treads on the carto are fine. I tried it on an ego and it worked ok. So I don't get it.

Wait a minute, I just had a brain fart...........I just tried another carto, one that I've been using on my mini Woodvil and it works fine so there is just something fishy about the other one. I'll try another new one and see if that one works.
 

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Atties do that too when there isn't enough juice in it. The coil stays active for half a second or more. Did you pre-fill it or just put it on there, squonked, and start vaping away? Try pre-filling your next one and see if that makes a difference for you.

I put a new carto on and it is making contact but......it doesn't shut off when I take my finger off the switch. It keeps sizzling for a couple seconds and it's burning my juice. I've been using these cartos on my other Woodvils with no problem. Nope, can't use that carto anymore. It's burnt. Rob, where are you? :ohmy:
 

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What do you mean by bottoming out? You probably pulled it out a little further than what you should have. Which explains why you can't tighten it anymore. From what you explained. That carto probably is a dud. Good that the other carto worked out for you.

What I mean by bottoming out is it just stops. Usually you screw a carto in until it's snug. When this one never got snug it just stopped before and after I pulled the pin out. I had to force it to get it to screw down more. I think it hits the rim of the carto cylinder and won't go any farther. It didn't strip the threads so that's not why it was spinning. The other new carto made contact but it didn't stop firing immediately when I took my finger off the switch so it burnt the filler material. It's garage now. I'm using an atty at the moment and it's working fine. I'm bummed because I bought those cartos just for my Reos. I can still use them on my reg Woodvil and my mini Woodvil just not on my 18490.
 

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You should never force it down. Once you feel that it's on there then you should stop. Had to do that with an atty. Even though it sat a little higher then the 510 connection. It still made contact.

It's always better to it pull it out a little bit at a time until it makes contact. Maybe I should've been more detailed in my description. I always use light pressure when I pull out the pin. Using a paper clip and going around the hole of the connection. That way everything comes out evenly.

The connection on all REO's are the same from what I noticed. So, that's not necessarily the problem. Really sorry to hear that your having a hard time with those cartos right now. I really do suggest using another one and prefilling it before you vape. That makes a huge difference, trust me. EDIT: like I mentioned before, your carto is too dry which is why it didn't stop firing.
 
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You should never force it down. Once you feel that it's on there then you should stop. Had to do that with an atty. Even though it sat a little higher then the 510 connection. It still made contact.

It's always better to it pull it out a little bit at a time until it makes contact. Maybe I should've been more detailed in my description. I always use light pressure when I pull out the pin. Using a paper clip and going around the hole of the connection. That way everything comes out evenly.

The connection on all REO's are the same from what I noticed. So, that's not necessarily the problem. Really sorry to hear that your having a hard time with those cartos right now. I really do suggest using another one and prefilling it before you vape. That makes a huge difference, trust me. EDIT: like I mentioned before, your carto is too dry which is why it didn't stop firing.

I only forced it as a last resort. The carto pin was out as far as it was going to go without coming out completely. And I forced it in small increments until it started to spin.

No, I didn't fill it first. I don't like to do that anymore since I found out about not doing that and that way has been working great. I don't want to waste anymore of those shorty cartos on my 18490 so I'm back to using an atty for the moment. I'm soaking a Kanger cartos and am going to try that but I don't like Kangers so I have nothing to lose if I ruin that one. I'll probably just stick to Boge 2.0 cartos on the 18490 but I hate to be limited to what I can use on it.

I also tried to screw on a Sgl LR carto, which I thought was Boge but it wasn't threading on smoothly so I stopped.
 

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Well, it's good that you didn't short out your REO. That would've been a bad situation. You and your BF probably would've taken a trip to Seattle to kill me if that happened LOL. But seriously, if you went that far and the carto still won't work. Then that's the problem with the carto itself.

Anyways, if that's your preference on how you want to use a carto. And if it works for you then that's what matters. I just don't recommend people doing that since cartos aren't originally meant to be used that way. This probably is a great opportunity for you to familiarize yourself with using atties again on your REO's.

Let me know what you think when you use your Kanger on there. Interested in hearing the results. You won't be limited with using Boges. Have you tried any of the IKV cartos or Smoketech 2 ohms or short DCC. They work amazingly well.

I've never used SGL cartos. Only brands I've used are: Boges, SLB, Smoktech, and IKV. Some brands do have some horrible threading depending on how well the QC of that vendor is. Good thing that you stopped though. You could've potentially damaged the threading.
 

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Well, it's good that you didn't short out your REO. That would've been a bad situation. You and your BF probably would've taken a trip to Seattle to kill me if that happened LOL. But seriously, if you went that far and the carto still won't work. Then that's the problem with the carto itself.

Anyways, if that's your preference on how you want to use a carto. And if it works for you then that's what matters. I just don't recommend people doing that since cartos aren't originally meant to be used that way. This probably is a great opportunity for you to familiarize yourself with using atties again on your REO's.

Let me know what you think when you use your Kanger on there. Interested in hearing the results. You won't be limited with using Boges. Have you tried any of the IKV cartos or Smoketech 2 ohms or short DCC. They work amazingly well.

I've never used SGL cartos. Only brands I've used are: Boges, SLB, Smoktech, and IKV. Some brands do have some horrible threading depending on how well the QC of that vendor is. Good thing that you stopped though. You could've potentially damaged the threading.

I would have killed you myself. j/k :p

I only tapped the switch to see if it would fire. Could that still pop the spring?

Well, I found part of the problem and I really hate to post it because I feel like an idiot but it might help a newbie from making the same mistake so I'll fess up. The adapter I thought was an unsealed adapter turned out to be a sealed adapter. That's why the juice well was flooding and I wasn't getting any juice to the carto. :facepalm: So I put a unsealed adapter on my 18490 and filled the second shorty carto with juice and it's working, kinda. It still doesn't shut off when I take my finger off the switch right away. I really don't think filling the carto first really made any difference but I did it anyway since you suggested it but I will probably continue doing it the other way. So this still leaves me with the question of why do I need an adapter with these cartos on the 18490 but not on the other Woodvils.
 

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LOL, that's if you can find me.

The only difference that you will notice is that the carto won't be burnt as easily. The taste and everything else will be about the same but, it will last longer then just two hits. That's the most important part. With a burnt carto then your inhaling burnt polyfill and cotton.

Something is really not adding up here as to why it's still firing when you take your finger off of the button. Clearly this doesn't happen with your atomizers. So, this shouldn't be happening with your cartos. Also, this rules out the REO being the problem. Your Boges are still working. Also, you don't need an adapter using those. Yet, your saying these smoketechs and Kangers can only be used with an adapter? Also, the button for some reason or another keeps firing for these particular cartos only?

I would have killed you myself. j/k :p

I only tapped the switch to see if it would fire. Could that still pop the spring?

Well, I found part of the problem and I really hate to post it because I feel like an idiot but it might help a newbie from making the same mistake so I'll fess up. The adapter I thought was an unsealed adapter turned out to be a sealed adapter. That's why the juice well was flooding and I wasn't getting any juice to the carto. :facepalm: So I put a unsealed adapter on my 18490 and filled the second shorty carto with juice and it's working, kinda. It still doesn't shut off when I take my finger off the switch right away. I really don't think filling the carto first really made any difference but I did it anyway since you suggested it but I will probably continue doing it the other way. So this still leaves me with the question of why do I need an adapter with these cartos on the 18490 but not on the other Woodvils.
 
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LOL, that's if you can find me.

The only difference that you will notice is that the carto won't be burnt as easily. The taste and everything else will be about the same but, it will last longer then just two hits. That's the most important part. With a burnt carto then your inhaling burnt polyfill and cotton.

Something is really not adding up here as to why it's still firing when you take your finger off of the button. Clearly this doesn't happen with your atomizers. So, this shouldn't be happening with your cartos. Also, this rules out the REO being the problem. Your Boges are still working. Also, you don't need an adapter using those. Yet, your saying these smoketechs and Kangers can only be used with an adapter? Also, the button for some reason or another keeps firing for these particular cartos only?

No, the smoketechs, if that is what they are and the Kangers don't need an adapter. The smoketechs just don't thread smoothly and the Kanger worked ok but sucks. Too are of a draw. I'm using the shorty carto with an adaptor on my 18490 now with no problems, I just wish I didn't need the adapter.
 

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Terry, I think it's may be time to have Robert take a look at it. I had a Mini, in a group that had some issues with the cup that never did fire quite right. After a little bit of use, it blew several attys, and then the spring collapsed. The cup just might have a tiny issue.

BTW... the other day, when DH got home, he put a new Resurector on and it immediately got too hot. I had him toss that one and pull another out of the same box; same thing. Third one was better but he said, on way to airport, this a.m. that is is getting too hot. These were three Resurectors out of the same box. All I could suggest is that he change his vaping style up and don't do his cigar type vaping, where he takes several tokes, without resting the atty/carto, and lets a lot of vapor surround his head before doing the long draw. Normally that doesn't overheat the SmokeTech long or short but these three it did.

I love the SmokeTech long and short but they've blown several springs in past couple of months.

Get that baby up to REO Spa.

Hugs, Alice
 
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LOL, that's if you can find me.

Something is really not adding up here as to why it's still firing when you take your finger off of the button. Clearly this doesn't happen with your atomizers. So, this shouldn't be happening with your cartos. Also, this rules out the REO being the problem. Your Boges are still working. Also, you don't need an adapter using those. Yet, your saying these smoketechs and Kangers can only be used with an adapter? Also, the button for some reason or another keeps firing for these particular cartos only?

I just, past week or so, burnt up a perfectly working IKV LR Mini 801 and collapsed a spring on an 801 Woodvil. Hard to burn up an 801. The button was sticking so when I put the battery in it started firing and I didn't know it was happening until the battery fell out. I didn't have time to get the door on. AND, yes, the collapsed spring was bright orange!!!!!!!

I had to pop the button out and then realized that I had gotten Howard's in there, it had congealed, and wasn't allowing the button action to work properly.

Moral is that it is possible to get some gunk in the button. This was a Woodvil, with the big button, which is more likely for this to happen with. AND the Howards got in there because I literally soaked the Woods in a big bowl.

I would expect, though, that the new button style, on the smaller Woodvils would be less susceptible to the kind of sticking that the big button on Woodvil can do.

Feisty Alice
 

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Terry, I think it's may be time to have Robert take a look at it. I had a Mini, in a group that had some issues with the cup that never did fire quite right. After a little bit of use, it blew several attys, and then the spring collapsed. The cup just might have a tiny issue.

BTW... the other day, when DH got home, he put a new Resurector on and it immediately got too hot. I had him toss that one and pull another out of the same box; same thing. Third one was better but he said, on way to airport, this a.m. that is is getting too hot. These were three Resurectors out of the same box. All I could suggest is that he change his vaping style up and don't do his cigar type vaping, where he takes several tokes, without resting the atty/carto, and lets a lot of vapor surround his head before doing the long draw. Normally that doesn't overheat the SmokeTech long or short but these three it did.

I love the SmokeTech long and short but they've blown several springs in past couple of months.

Get that baby up to REO Spa.

Hugs, Alice

I have had a couple of the Resurrector's that are clear burn right through the side. Just a small hole developed after about a day. When the fiber filler melted away you could see the wire (coil) was very close to the side. I had plenty enough juice in there, but it finally warped the plastic casing then produced a small hole. One day of use! I ordered a couple boxes of them, wish I stuck with the metal.
 
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