cartomizer concerns.

[Goady]

Been thinking little of the morning on the best way to really approach or word this since i decided to post in this forum, but just recently found the pics of the burned cartos in other forums and was wondering the best way to avoid anything like that. It may seem kind of unusual since we all used to smoke analogs to be concerned about this, but at the same time i don't want to be inhaling anything like that.

I know there are various different factors to this--many of which lies in the user themselves to try to prevent and i'm not trying to slander against V4L in any way. This company has been awesome so far and i'm glad i chose them for my first e-cig, but those pictures are kind of a concern. I apologize if this has been addressed before, but i couldn't find a topic discussing this with search or anything else.

I'm guessing if you top off when the flavor starts to drop off those burn marks don't happen? Just wanted to get a confirmation from someone with a little more experience with these cartos, since i just started vaping around 2 weeks ago or so. Thanks in advance.

 

[bornagainst]

The best way to avoid burnt cartos is to refill often, and don't wait until they are empty.

That said, as a beginner vapor, you are probably going to have a few ruined when you start....theres a little learning curve to figuring out when a cart is done.

The easiest thing to do is just not wait until it's empty. I rotate a few carts every day, and end up only having to fill 15 or so drops in each one when all is said and done.....and no burnt carts.

Hope that helps. You will figure out your own style.

Lastly, in my humble opinion, those pictures were somewhat of a worst case scenario. I have taken apart MANY of my so called burnt cartos and they didn't look like that.

 

[scott58]

That will help. They still blister after a certain amount of use.

 

[Goady]

Lastly, in my humble opinion, those pictures were somewhat of a worst case scenario. I have taken apart MANY of my so called burnt cartos and they didn't look like that.

Yeah i really didn't want to make a premature judgement without getting some advice from people that have refilled and used cartos for a good bit of time. Plus, i really like the concept of cartomizers and V4L's service and commitment to their customers too much to just say that i would stop using their products based on just pictures.

 

[leaford]

Frankly, I've seen lots of pics like that, and just don't understand how they got to that point without noticing the AWFUL taste first! Stop vaping when the flavor is exhausted, don't push on until it starts to taste burnt, and you'll be fine.

 

[Wildcard]

Last night I was vaping a CMF premium and when I took a vape I could tell immediately that the flavor changed from great to good with a slight taste of a toasted marshmallow. I checked the carto out and there was no damage to it. I would not of pushed it to the end but but I don't have anymore cmf to refill it. Anyways it was good to the next to the last vape.

 

[Goady]

aight thank you for the replies guys, i really appreciate it. I guess i just gotta get used to telling when to top off to avoid anything like this happening really. Starting to kind of a get a feel for it now, so i think i'll be aight. If i'm not sure i can always top off early too just so there isn't any question as to whats too far and whats not.

 

[Goady]

Last night I was vaping a CMF premium and when I took a vape I could tell immediately that the flavor changed from great to good with a slight taste of a toasted marshmallow. I checked the carto out and there was no damage to it. I would not of pushed it to the end but but I don't have anymore cmf to refill it. Anyways it was good to the next to the last vape.

i'm a big fan of CMF myself, so i know what you mean .

 

[Wildcard]

Since I don't have anymore CMF juice I just topped off one with cappaccino and I must say it's still very good

 

[jamvector]

Goady, you have a legitimate question. I can relate as I read through those same threads and saw the same pictures over a month ago. It was an initial concern, and almost caused me to go the 510 route. I sensed however that the posters were simply out to get V4L / KR808, and the attitudes / language used in the arguments actually influenced my to purchase from V4L to give it a try. After my extremely positive experience with V4L, I actually joined this forum for the sole purpose of defending V4L against these damaging accusations (I am not a "forum" person). I engaged in several threads documenting my experiences testing the cart limits and argued against their ridiculous "worst case" scenarios and insinuations.

Bottom line, all PV's are electro-mechanical devices and must be treated as such. They require care, maintenance, and should only be operated within their intended design specifications. If you do so, you will love the experience, and find no equal to the product and service from V4L. Add in the incredible support from this forum, and it is really hard to have anything more than a single minor problem here or there.

A good simple analogy is if you are driving your car on the interstate with bald, worn tires and you have a blowout, don't blame the tires - they were being driven outside of their design and maintenance limits. Also, if you have a flat tire, stop driving! PV's are not designed to be used dry; if you heat the coil up without juice and keep hitting it, it will burn. It is very easy to tell if it is dry, as soon as it starts to taste harsh or the cart gets hot, switch out the cart and set aside until you can refill or top it off. See all the threads regarding various refilling techniques and get yourself some juice!

 

[Goady]

A good simple analogy is if you are driving your car on the interstate with bald, worn tires and you have a blowout, don't blame the tires - they were being driven outside of their design and maintenance limits. Also, if you have a flat tire, stop driving! PV's are not designed to be used dry; if you heat the coil up without juice and keep hitting it, it will burn. It is very easy to tell if it is dry, as soon as it starts to taste harsh or the cart gets hot, switch out the cart and set aside until you can refill or top it off. See all the threads regarding various refilling techniques and get yourself some juice!

Makes sense really. I knew the concept in the back of my head, but having it stated as a simple analogy makes it a little easier to understand. As far as the juice goes, i'm stocked up pretty well atm. I've been using the CCFM method with the condom caps and its been working really well so far. Surprised at the simplicity of it when comparing to dripping after removing the mouth-cap and o-ring.

 

[sawlight]

If you try hard enough, you can break anything. If you try hard enough you can make anyone look bad. If you try hard enough you make anything out to be a piece of junk.

I would think you would get sick from the taste before you could get to that point, but some people are determined to make a point.

As soon as the flavor tastes burnt, or marshmelloy, stop vaping that carto. It's that easy.

 

[jamvector]

Makes sense really. I knew the concept in the back of my head, but having it stated as a simple analogy makes it a little easier to understand. As far as the juice goes, i'm stocked up pretty well atm. I've been using the CCFM method with the condom caps and its been working really well so far. Surprised at the simplicity of it when comparing to dripping after removing the mouth-cap and o-ring.

I had been dripping using a syringe by filling up from the bottom of the batting and just recently discovered the condom cap method. I find I prefer this technique due to sheer simplicity and convenience to any technique involving removal of the mouthpiece end. The only slight downside is that I generally don't get them as full as before, and I waste a drop or two more juice blowing them out. The Taryn spin technique works very well also - I had tried that a few weeks ago - but the carto condom method takes a lot less time even though you need to refill a little more often. I will probably use the syringe technique in concert with the Taryn Spin when reassembling carts after boiling and washing since the mouthpiece parts are already removed, but condom cap for all routine topoffs.

BTW, never feel apprehensive about posting any kind of comment or concern on this forum; people will respond no matter what the question! They are passionate fans, but also have very thick skin

 

[Goady]

yeah im not much of a forum person myself, why i was debating on asking the question to begin with, but its good to know people are tolerant on this forum. I have yet to try boiling/washing any of my cartos. I'm unsure of which cartos i vaped past the limit, so when i do get around to going through my box of "empty" ones ill have to try each one to see which are horrendously burnt and which may still be usable lol

 

[leaford]

There's lots of people who are here to help each other, Goady. Never hesitate to ask!

 

[mwahle1]

I use cartomizers almost exclusively and for the past two months at 6 volts. I take apart every one of my cartomizers when they go “bad” just to take a look. Have I ever seen one of mine look as bad as the ones in the pics? Not even close. Have I noticed a bit of burning on a few of them? Yes, on occasion the polyfill will be slightly burned, but it is getting more infrequent as my experience increases.

People always say when the vapor starts to taste bad or burnt it is time to refill the cartomizer. I say do not even let it get to this point. If you taste a slight burnt flavor, you are beginning to burn the polyfill. I vape my cartomizer for a while and before I notice a decrease in vapor or taste change, I refill it to minimize the possibility of burning the polyfill. If you never let the juice in the cartomizer get below about a third of the cartomizers capacity; the chance of burning the polyfill is reduced dramatically.

 

[leaford]

Goady, you have a legitimate question. I can relate as I read through those same threads and saw the same pictures over a month ago. It was an initial concern, and almost caused me to go the 510 route. I sensed however that the posters were simply out to get V4L / KR808, and the attitudes / language used in the arguments actually influenced my to purchase from V4L to give it a try. After my extremely positive experience with V4L, I actually joined this forum for the sole purpose of defending V4L against these damaging accusations (I am not a "forum" person). I engaged in several threads documenting my experiences testing the cart limits and argued against their ridiculous "worst case" scenarios and insinuations.

Bottom line, all PV's are electro-mechanical devices and must be treated as such. They require care, maintenance, and should only be operated within their intended design specifications. If you do so, you will love the experience, and find no equal to the product and service from V4L. Add in the incredible support from this forum, and it is really hard to have anything more than a single minor problem here or there.

A good simple analogy is if you are driving your car on the interstate with bald, worn tires and you have a blowout, don't blame the tires - they were being driven outside of their design and maintenance limits. Also, if you have a flat tire, stop driving! PV's are not designed to be used dry; if you heat the coil up without juice and keep hitting it, it will burn. It is very easy to tell if it is dry, as soon as it starts to taste harsh or the cart gets hot, switch out the cart and set aside until you can refill or top it off. See all the threads regarding various refilling techniques and get yourself some juice!

Very, VERY well put!

 

[Lina]

what is the CCFM method? I have 1 sample bottle of juice here... and never tried refilling ... I would like to do so... any easy ways with directions would be greatly appreciated.

Makes sense really. I knew the concept in the back of my head, but having it stated as a simple analogy makes it a little easier to understand. As far as the juice goes, i'm stocked up pretty well atm. I've been using the CCFM method with the condom caps and its been working really well so far. Surprised at the simplicity of it when comparing to dripping after removing the mouth-cap and o-ring.

 

[jamvector]

Hi Lina: Go to this link and watch the video: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/67012-refill-cartomizers-quick-easy-video.html

Dogsbody originally posted it, ~Jo~ bumped it into a recent V4L forum thread titled "Problem filling premium carts" where I asked the same question. This is a really simple and efficient way to top off carts - you will love it!

Attn Mods: This video should be added to the welcome mat sticky along with the Taryn spin and drop methods so we can reference it for future newbs asking the same question

 

[leaford]

Or this one: YouTube - A Great Way To Fill Cartomizers