Cartridge Health - Has Anyone Considered??

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Remie

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I'm just past the one month mark smoke-free and loving it. I'm fully into the "vaping routine" and the other day, while trying once again to wrestle with a bad tasting 510 atomizer, it occurred to me...

Have I missed incorporating something important into my routine?

Since cartridge filler is cheap, and it's become very quick and easy for me to re-stuff my carts, I keep about 6 or 8 carts stuffed but not filled with e-liquid in my vaping box.

When I'm finished using a cartridge, I pull out and discard the used filler material and throw the empty cart into one of the compartments in my box. I grab a new one, fill it and go. I'll keep refilling a cartridge for a day or so most of the time. Sometimes more, sometimes less depending on if it's a "perfect cart", wicking well, etc.

When I refill carts, I grab the empty ones and just re-stuff them.

I was having a "hard draw" problem with my atomizer and ran a mental check-list of what, beside the atty itself might cause it.

I pulled an empty (previously used) cartridge from my box and examined it.

I was shocked at what I discovered.

Upon examination with a bright light and magnifying glass, at the bottom of the cartridge I saw a layer of "white stuff". ??? I stuck my trusty opened paper clip in and scraped at it thinking it was probably bits or particles of filler material left behind.

I started looking inside the other cartridges. Same thing. What is it? It really started me thinking...

I have extensive medical laboratory and healthcare training and experience and I'm usually very aware and careful. It's rote and knee-jerk to me. I wash my hands, I sanitize my kitchen and bathrooms... I treat my home the way I do the workplace. Why didn't this occur to me sooner?

The inside of my cartridge is a potential petri dish, a breeding ground for all kinds of microbes. Could the white-ish coating I saw at the bottom of the cartridge be colonies of various bacteria? Perhaps some strain of mold? I was so grossed out and a little ashamed of myself for not taking any of this into consideration from the start!

I put the tips of those cartridges in my mouth, pacify myself by holding it between my teeth a lot, inhale frequently from it... my tongue touches it, I exhale a bit into it if I "puff" quickly on it... I am transferring my saliva and the normal microbial flora to the cartridges. There are many bacterial strains that are aerobic (require oxygen) which could easily thrive inside a cartridge.

I grabbed all of my cartridges (and the silicon caps) and threw them into a Listerine bath. I swished, shook, and swirled them often to make sure the antiseptic liquid would penetrate and reach all the inside surfaces and left them soaking for about an hour.

After soaking them all in the mouthwash, I rinsed them thoroughly in very hot water, put them in a wire-mesh strainer, covered the strainer with a clean towel (so they wouldn't fly out) and dried them with my blow-drier.

I examined them again under a bright light and magnifying glass. The white film was gone.

I had washed some carts out occasionally in the beginning - I just didn't incorporate cartridge cleaning into my routine.

After re-stuffing the now disinfected and clean cartridges, I noticed better air flow. Had the questionable white-stuff been impeding air flow and contributing to the "hard draw" issue? Perhaps, but it really doesn't matter. What matters now to me is that I keep my cartridges clean and disinfected.

I should have swabbed one and cultured it. Or, maybe I really don't want to know what might have been growing inside it :|

This has probably been brought up here before, I just didn't see it...

So... Food for thought :)

Has anyone else thought about this? Do you clean your cartridges on a regular basis? If so, what's your method?


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aschmidy,

I didn't know that! It sounds plausible, but - I have cleaned them - using the same method - Listerine bath followed by hot water rinse and blow dry (or air dry - I did air dry a batch when I'd cleaned them in the beginning)

I only had the pre-filled cartridges that came with my initial 510 starter kits, and an additional 5 pack of pre-filled carts - and the empty ones that capped the atomizers I started ordering and collecting...

I wonder why the factory would "glue down" filler material - especially inside the pre-filled cartridges? Hrrm.... thanks!

It makes me want to leave a few uncleaned for a few weeks and run cultures on them. :confused:
 

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I'm a crazed germaphobe and this is one of the first things that I started doing when I started vaping. Something else to think about though is the PG used in most liquids is an antibacterial to a point. I had not even thought of that until someone mentioned it when I was worrying about cartos becoming contaminated. Plus you have the heat factor. Even with all that I still clean mine every other day. Either that or I throw them away.
 

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I would only be afraid if someone starts getting some weird symptom from it..

I thought of this too! But - just the thought of a potential staph or strep breeding ground is a little gross to me...

I'm not so worried about viruses, as they are more fragile and don't live as long on surfaces, or thrive in the same environments that bacteria do... but I did think about the bacterias that cause common food-born illnesses and I'd hate to somehow colonize bacteria that causes symptoms and ingest a bacterial load large enough to induce something like that...

And - I thought about the friends that I let "try" a few drags, and even my boyfriend taking my e-cig and puffing on it sometimes... they shared their microbial flora and added to it ... (he hasn't jumped on the vaping-train yet and is weaning himself off cigarettes)

OK - you all have my full permission to call me a completely neurotic wackadoo :)
 

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PG is anti-microbial and is used for those purposes, true! However - whatever PG is left behind may be minimal and ineffective in response to the bacteria in saliva and whatever residual moisture is left behind from just our exhalations...

(OK I really am acting like a completely neurotic germaphobe) :oops:

Welcome to the club!
 

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Don't worry! I thought of it too. Especially when I was holding my 510 between my teeth while making coffee last night. I kept running my tongue on the tip - where there is an opening for saliva to enter! D: I've actually accidentally popped part of the cartridge off with my teeth, and there is a nice little breeding ground there.... That being said, I plan to soak my cartridges in mouthwash to disinfect regularly. :p
 

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hsm - I do the same thing! I run my tongue over tip of the cart when it's in my mouth. It really got me thinking... I popped the little piece with the hole in it off too - the same way - and yup - that is a nice little home for all kinds of oogies.

At least I am not alone in my neurotic little germaphobic world :) It makes me feel a lot better!! :)
 

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I am freaked out now. ! Only because weirdly I have never thought about that, and another thing is.. when I have to start taking the filler out and cleaning it I'm going to be paranoid that I dont get it back in right, etc....Plus I have problems with it anyway and thinking about switching to blue foam. I have only been vaping for 5 days... I am going to need to do a good cleaning soon. AGH guess I need to start researching so I don't screw up. :oops:
 

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I wash my empties in alcohol and then hot water - I figured anything thats been in my mouth is gonna breed bugs like..something that breeds bugs.. :D
So..as I wouldnt use any kind of washing treatment that I'd feel safe putting in my mouth (like rubbing alcohol..or lye soap) I used drinking alcohol. Actually I used spiced rum lol Then very hot water rinse, and air dried.
I dont wash the carts as often as I should probably but I do that to them when i do :)
 
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Remie

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I am freaked out now. ! Only because weirdly I have never thought about that, and another thing is.. when I have to start taking the filler out and cleaning it I'm going to be paranoid that I dont get it back in right, etc....Plus I have problems with it anyway and thinking about switching to blue foam. I have only been vaping for 5 days... I am going to need to do a good cleaning soon. AGH guess I need to start researching so I don't screw up. :oops:

Whitbit - :( the last thing I wanted to do was make people worry!

Re-stuffing carts is easy, it just takes a little time and patience to figure out what works for you.

I'm using Fluval (Water Polishing Pads from the pet-store - it's made to fit into fish tank filters to purify the water and trap particulates that are present in an aquarium environment.) I find it to be really simple, inexpensive and there are quite a few youtube tutorials, as well as threads on how to do it on the forums here - take a look at the pictures in this thread to give you an idea...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartridge-mods/68897-fluval-help.html

Scroll through the thread and you'll find the post with the pictures.
Don't be afraid to ask questions! I believe cart-filling is an evolving process with lots of good ideas. Try a few, do some experimenting - I think you'll figure out a good method that works good for you. The materials are inexpensive, last forever and and are worth a shot :)

P.S. I gave up putting the straw in, I find the Fluval to work just fine without the addition of the straw :) If you can't find that particular Fluval, I'd be happy to send you some to try it out :)
 
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