FDA CDC falsely claims e-cig ads target, addict kids to lobby for FDA sales ban to adults

[Bill Godshall]

This demonstrates that Obama appointees at DHHS will say and do anything in their zeal to ban the sale of lifesaving vapor products to all adult smokers and vapers in the US.

Three weeks after the MTF found far more 8th, 10th and 12th graders in US smoke cigarettes than use nicotine e-cigs (7.0% vs < 2.6%), CDC report, press release and infographs lie about impact of e-cig ads on teens to lobby for FDA deeming ban and for State anti vaping programs/policies.

Of course, the CDC doesn't acknowledge that the vast majority of e-cig advertising expenditures are for nicotine vapor products, which are used by <20% of teen vapers
(but by most adult vapers).

CDC Vital Signs e-cig advertising propaganda report
Vital Signs: Exposure to Electronic Cigarette Advertising Among Middle School and High School Students — United States, 2014

CDC press release hypes fear mongering lies about e-cig advertising
E-cigarette ads reach nearly 7 in 10 middle and high-school students | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC

CDC Infograph further hypes fear mongering lies about e-cig advertising
E-cigarette Ads and Youth Infographics | VitalSigns | CDC

The CDC just sent this infograph to all CDC e-mail subscribers, and probably
tweeted and Facebooked it as well.

Fox News article
Nearly 7 in 10 students exposed to e-cigarette ads, report says | Fox News

Mike Siegel: Without any evidence, CDC continues to claim that e-cigarettes are a gateway to youth smoking
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Without Any Evidence, CDC Continues to Claim that E-Cigarettes are a Gateway to Youth Smoking

 

[sofarsogood]

It seems to be accepted professional practice for public health officials to lie when that's what it takes to get people to behave as they think best. They've been doing this for so long they don't see it as lying.

Bill, a question. You were involved in organized efforts to reduce smoking for years before ecigs came along. You collaborated with other organizations and other people to get that done. Then along comes ecigs and you see one of the best opportunities to reduce smoking yet devised and you have stuck to that view. How many of the organizations and people you worked with in the past now oppose ecigs similar to the CDC, FDA, etc?

 

[skoony]

And now an infomercial from those folks that are really advertising to the chillin'.



Regards
Mike

 

[Endor]

Bill, thanks again for sharing. Indeed the timing is interesting given the recent MTF report (which I also thank you for sharing).

I think the advertising issue is yet another attack vector from the public health mafia. What strikes me is that other harmful and potentially addictive products, such as alcohol, can be marketed in a way that is indirectly attractive to children too (who doesn't want to grow up to be The Most Interesting Man in the World?)

Yet, to my knowldge, the CDC isn't running studies on what percentage of children are exposed to alcohol advertising.... and if they are, it certainly doesn't seem to get the exposure within the media like vaping studies do.

That being said, cigarette advertising on TV/radio has been banned for years. Other than a) the obvious double-standard between tobacco/nicotine products and other adult products like alcohol, b) the fact that advertising has the potential to educate existing smokers that alternatives exist, and c) a general view that government should allow free markets to thrive and allow free speech in advertising, I'm curious how many of us would have serious heartburn over a halt of advertising for vapor products if it meant removing this argument from the table.

 

[Racehorse]

Vendors like this arent' helping are they? I mean, you put out stuff like this, it's going to be hard to say you are NOT marketing to children?

 

[mudmanc4]

Hilarious!
What we see is comprised of no more than a version of an old school psychology trick called the slap and hug.
FDA permits the sale, defines rule sets, monitors every aspect concerning said compliant product, yet offices within the FDA claim this and that are {place whatever demeaning controversial malarky here} are no good, targeting your offspring, causing havoc and killing baby turkeys in the fields while all they try to do is play with other baby turkeys. How saddening isn't it.

All of which taps in on the natural 'I should not because 'they say' it's bad: but now I must because it's something controversial' mentality.
The above accomplishes no more than create and give activists something to vent towards, keep them busy in the red tape confusion of news briefs and political posturing. All the while the states collect tax dollars that said executives can keep their jobs, and collect a decent retirement.

Yes, I am making light of the entire 'created issue'. Sure, people make their entire lives out of fighting such things, on both sides. Smoke this, no not that, this, but don't show it to your children, but here, let them see the worst of the worst health wise candy at eye level in the grocery, guess what, look at your eye level, who is being played?

 

[Endor]

I simply cannot believe companies are still doing this in 2016, and yet, here we are.

 

[skoony]

Vendors like this arent' helping are they? I mean, you put out stuff like this, it's going to be hard to say you are NOT marketing to children?.

They can say they are not because they are not. Google Hello Kitty M15A1.
Mike

 

[Racehorse]

They can say they are not because they are not.

they can say whatever they want.

PERCEPTION will be different.

That's marketing 101, most in the field go over these points very carefully.

 

[this is my name]

Vendors like this arent' helping are they? I mean, you put out stuff like this, it's going to be hard to say you are NOT marketing to children?

But, but.... Adults like crayons, too?...


Edit: seriously, though. Did they HAVE to put the ponies in there?

 

[skoony]

they can say whatever they want.

PERCEPTION will be different.

That's marketing 101, most in the field go over these points very carefully.

Your correct. Perception is reality for some. Yet the ANTZ infomercials are aired in primetime and are aimed directly at and to the chillin'.
Mike

 

[Bill Godshall]

How many of the organizations and people you worked with in the past now oppose ecigs similar to the CDC, FDA, etc?

Dozens of organizations and agencies, and hundreds of individuals (including many who I trained and mentored).

But the vast majority of those groups, agencies and individuals would NOT have demonized or campaigned to ban vapor products or vaping if Obama's DHHS hadn't done so since 2009, and especially if Obama's DHHS hadn't given more than $1 Billion to those groups, agencies and individuals to campaign against vaping.

 

[Bill Godshall]

I'm curious how many of us would have serious heartburn over a halt of advertising for vapor products if it meant removing this argument from the table.

Instead of removing the argument from the table, FDA imposed e-cig ad restrictions would just prompt the ANTZ to demand even more advertising and marketing restrictions (to prevent adult smokers and vapers from not only seeing any e-cig ads, but also from seeing e-cig products).

 

[sofarsogood]

Dozens of organizations and agencies, and hundreds of individuals (including many who I trained and mentored).

But the vast majority of those groups, agencies and individuals would NOT have demonized or campaigned to ban vapor products or vaping if Obama's DHHS hadn't done so since 2009, and especially if Obama's DHHS hadn't given more than $1 Billion to those groups, agencies and individuals to campaign against vaping.

Thank you for answering. I expected aproximately what you say but didn't consider the government funding aspect. Do you think they didn't really want to get rid of cigarettes after all? Are most of them organizations with other primary missions or do they specialize in quit smoking campaigns? What's been baffling is how few informed and responsible voices seem to be out there. Are the organizations you refer to mostly vulnerable to losing government funding if they don't toe the government line? What happened to all the quit smoking campaigns besides yours???

 

[Lessifer]

But, but.... Adults like crayons, too?...


Edit: seriously, though. Did they HAVE to put the ponies in there?

Have you not heard of "bronies"? Plenty of adults like mlp these days.

The reality is, you cannot market TO someone who CANNOT PURCHASE your product.

And yes, adults like crayons too. There's a whole market for adult coloring books, and they're not "adult" as in pornographic.

 

[Lessifer]

Instead of removing the argument from the table, FDA imposed e-cig ad restrictions would just prompt the ANTZ to demand even more advertising and marketing restrictions (to prevent adult smokers and vapers from not only seeing any e-cig ads, but also from seeing e-cig products).

It seems that they're not even starting with the television and magazine ads this time. They're going straight for the online and vape shop displays, where you have to actively look for products, as opposed to where you might have incidental exposure.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the path to behind the counter/out of view "displays," plain packaging, with mandatory "warning labels."

 

[Lessifer]

I place the blame squarely with people who have accepted the lie that if something MAY appeal to children it IS being marketed to children.

 

[Yiana]

Have you not heard of "bronies"? Plenty of adults like mlp these days.

The reality is, you cannot market TO someone who CANNOT PURCHASE your product.

And yes, adults like crayons too. There's a whole market for adult coloring books, and they're not "adult" as in pornographic.

I've been coloring for anxiety and stress relief for years. Usually mandalas. I used to have to look for them in the new age section of the bookstore. Now they're everywhere. It's pretty cool though.

 

[skoony]

Once again there is only one group advertising any of these products to children.
Exhibit A:
I rest my case.
Regards all,
Mike

 

[Yiana]

Once again there is only one group advertising any of these products to children.
Exhibit A:
I rest my case.
Regards all,
Mike

I agree. That commericial is horrifying. When would that ever happen in real life?