CDC Solicits E-Cig Users

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vanillayo

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CDC is targeting ecig users with health problems that started after they cut back on smoking and started ecigs.

"According to the documents, the goal of the call is to get ex-smokers (age 20–60) who, for at least a year, used e-cigarettes or smokeless tobacco while continuing to smoke some cigarettes and thought using e-cigarettes or smokeless tobacco to cut back on some cigarettes would be good for their health."

Good way to make some money I guess. :(

CDC Solicits E-Cig Users With Health Problems For TV Ads. | Ecig Advanced News
 

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I am so sick of being scammed by tobacco companies, government agencies, and non-profits who all have a stake in destroying the PV business in favor of tobacco. There are so many people making a living off of the misery of people addicted to tobacco they realize their livelihood is threatened by people vaping instead of using tobacco.

This is why I quit tobacco: I was tired of supporting an industry, non-profits and government so interdependent that they are willing to see people suffer so they can keep their jobs. Support vaping or prove it worse than tobacco.
 

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Honestly, I think this is good news... it means they're having a hard enough time finding these people that they have to 1) advertise, and 2) offer to pay. Unfortunately, the payment is a good incentive for the less-than-honest to lie about it, so they may get something out of this.

well how else do you find these needles in the haystack?

its not like there's a farmed pool of minor league smokers just waiting to be called up to the majors
 

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What I got from the actual flyer is that they are looking for people who were still smoking while using an e-cig and it seems like they are still strictly targeting analogs. http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/wp-...Conditions.pdf

Am I misreading or misinterpreting it? Anyone else have a different opinion?


I could be wrong but I don't get that. I do wonder why they are wanting "English speakers of Asian descent."
 

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Honestly, I think this is good news... it means they're having a hard enough time finding these people that they have to 1) advertise, and 2) offer to pay. Unfortunately, the payment is a good incentive for the less-than-honest to lie about it, so they may get something out of this.

I still don't get it though. It seems like they are just trying to make a commercial about the dangers of even just smoking a couple of cigarettes a day. Am I missing something?
 

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Side note... the new Call to Action up top.

Just emailed my Senator and two others. Figure if I've given to their campaigns, past or present, they ought to at least have a staffer read it...

Here's what I sent to my Senator - and just adjusted the first part for those I've donated to. Feel free to cut and paste if you wish. Act now, the biased meeting is tomorrow.

Senator Murray,

As your constituent and long time financial supporter, I'm appalled at the "experts" called to testify at tomorrow's hearing. Only two people, both of whom have shown little regard for science.

After 40 + years of smoking cigarettes, after trying several iterations of the patch, gum and cold turkey and failing to quit (not willing to try the FDA approved drugs that are known to cause suicidal thoughts and actions!), I decided to try e-cigs as a replacement. I have not smoked for over a year and a half now, and credit that success to e-cigs which replicate the actions of smoking without the carcinogens.

A growing body of scientific evidence is showing that e-cig vapor is safe in the workplace, contains less than 1/100 the harmful products of cigarette combustion, and while not marketed as a "stop smoking" aid, does, in fact, help many of us to quit.

I urge you to ask these "experts" some of the following questions:

- How can public health benefit by FDA banning 99% of e-cigarette products that have helped many smokers quit?

- How can public health benefit if FDA protects cigarettes from market competition (by far less hazardous vaporizers) and gives the e-cigarette industry (comprised of several thousand mostly small companies) to Big Tobacco and perhaps several large cigalike companies?

- Why does the FDA keep denying the scientific and empirical evidence that e-cigarettes have helped many smokers quit, as the proposed deeming regulation states (on page 40) “There is no evidence to date that e-cigarettes are effective cessation devices.”?

- Why does the FDA consider tobacco companies and anti tobacco activists to be “stakeholders” in the regulatory process, but not consumers whose lives are at stake?

- Since e-cigarettes are far less hazardous than cigarettes, and since nearly all e-cigarette consumption is by smokers and former smokers who switched to e-cigarettes, doesn’t that benefit, instead of threaten public health?

Suggested questions for Senators to ask CDC’s Tim McAfee:

- Since the CDC’s National Youth Tobacco Survey found that teen smokers were 20 times more likely than nonsmokers to report past e-cig use, that <1% of nonsmoking teens reported past e-cig use, and that teen smoking rates declined from 2011 to 2012, why did CDC Director Tom Frieden and you tell the news media e-cigarettes were addicting youth, were gateways to smoking, and can renormalize smoking?

- Why is the CDC recruiting and offering to pay e-cigarette users who were diagnosed with a “serious health condition” to appear in advertisements even if their disease wasn’t caused by e-cigarette use? CDC Recruitment Ad for 2015 (All Conditions Only)

- Why does the CDC refuse to acknowledge that many smokers have quit smoking by switching to e-cigarettes?

- Why does the CDC oppose smokers switching to far less hazardous e-cigarettes?

- Since e-cigarettes are less hazardous than cigarettes, and since far more smokers begin using e-cigarettes than nonsmokers, aren’t e-cigarettes benefiting public health?

- Why isn't flavored vodka marketing to kids but flavored e-cigs are?

Thank you,
 

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Honestly, I think this is good news... it means they're having a hard enough time finding these people that they have to 1) advertise, and 2) offer to pay. Unfortunately, the payment is a good incentive for the less-than-honest to lie about it, so they may get something out of this.

That's a good way to think about it but you are right about dishonest people. The amount of money is a really good incentive.
 

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What I got from the actual flyer is that they are looking for people who were still smoking while using an e-cig and it seems like they are still strictly targeting analogs. http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/wp-...Conditions.pdf

Am I misreading or misinterpreting it? Anyone else have a different opinion?


I could be wrong but I don't get that. I do wonder why they are wanting "English speakers of Asian descent."

Look at how they are say that they want people that were smoking and using ecigs at the same time. They keep using the wording "smoke some cigarettes" as if they are trying to make a commercial saying that any smoking is bad period. I am thinking they are just aware that ecigs are helping people cut down so they included that to widen their range of eligible participants.
 

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Look at how they are say that they want people that were smoking and using ecigs at the same time. They keep using the wording "smoke some cigarettes" as if they are trying to make a commercial saying that any smoking is bad period. I am thinking they are just aware that ecigs are helping people cut down so they included that to widen their range of eligible participants.

The CDC has steadfastly refused to admit that e-cigs help people quit smoking and has taken the position that they are a dangerous gateway to smoking. The don't recognize the studies that say good things about vaping, and celebrate the ones that are negative. Tom Frieden, the Director of the CDC, is one of the most prominent spokespeople in the US for the "e-cigarettes glamorize smoking and get kids hooked on nicotine" crowd. It's one of his personal pet causes.

This may appear to be aimed at smoking and have nothing to do with e-cigarettes. At first, the FDA regulations seemed totally reasonable - it's not until you read the fine print that you realize they're going to destroy the industry and hand it over to big tobacco. Until we see some sort of public admission from Tom Frieden and/or the CDC that their position has changed, they are definitely out to crush e-cigarettes and anything they do involving vaping will be bad for us.
 

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Heh why don't you good, honest people sign up just to waste their time? :evil: :D

Put some more straws in that haystack :D

Well, I'd consider that, but both my doc and my dentist say conditions have improved... 'course, I don't vape and smoke, just vape, so I'd not qualify anyway!
 

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It doesn't appear to me to be limited to analogs. It looks like they're also fishing for vapers to demonstrate that vaping, at least in part, caused their illness.

"We are also looking for ex-smokers (age 20–60) who:

• Used cigars with cigarettes, or used cigarillos or little cigars alone or with cigarettes because
you thought cigars, cigarillos and little cigars were healthier, and were diagnosed with a serious health
condition while smoking.
• For at least a year, used e-cigarettes or smokeless tobacco while continuing to
smoke some cigarettes; and
• Thought using e-cigarettes or smokeless tobacco to cut back on some cigarettes
would be good for your health; and

• Despite cutting back, you were later diagnosed with a serious health condition."

You have to wonder why they're not soliciting ex-smokers whose health improved after switching to e-cigarettes. Seems like the CDC is trying to make a particular point here - don't bother switching to e-cigarettes because they'll make you sick too.
 
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I heard about this DaveOck's letter in a different thread and looked it up. One link had this at the bottom:
If you have questions, please send them to the CDC representative, Crystal Bruce, jgx6@cdc.gov.
Please put “Recruitment Question” in the subject line.

Seems like a good place to send your "questions"...?
 
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