CDC survey finds percent of 18-24 year olds who never smoked continues to increase, refutes CDC lie that e-cigs are gateway to cigarettes

[Bill Godshall]

CDC NHIS finds percentage of 18-24 year olds who have never smoked a cigarette continues to increase, refutes CDC director Tom Frieden’s false claims that e-cigs are gateway to cigarettes for young people.
QuickStats: Percentage of Adults Aged 18–24 Years Who Had Never Smoked Cigarettes,* by Sex — National Health Interview Survey, United States, 1999–2001 Through 2011–2012†

Notice that there is no mention of e-cigarettes in this CDC MMWR, as doing so would have exposed CDC's lies about e-cigs as gateways to cigarettes.

 

[Petrodus]

Notice that there is no mention of e-cigarettes in this CDC MMWR, as doing so would have
exposed CDC's lies about e-cigs as gateways to cigarettes.

 

[Kent C]

CDC NHIS finds percentage of 18-24 year olds who have never smoked a cigarette continues to increase, refutes CDC director Tom Frieden’s false claims that e-cigs are gateway to cigarettes for young people.
QuickStats: Percentage of Adults Aged 18–24 Years Who Had Never Smoked Cigarettes,* by Sex — National Health Interview Survey, United States, 1999–2001 Through 2011–2012†

Notice that there is no mention of e-cigarettes in this CDC MMWR, as doing so would have exposed CDC's lies about e-cigs as gateways to cigarettes.

And the bigger increases are since 2008. Even though some of those may be vapers, it still denies the 'gateway' claim.

 

[Vocalek]

I am finding conflicting numbers on different pages of the CDC web site.

I was trying to track down CDC numbers for smoking among middle school and high school students, to determine whether these rates are going up (as Tom Frieden's theory would seem to imply) or going down.

On this page: CDC - MMWRs - 2012 - Vol. 61 No. 30 - Highlights - Smoking & Tobacco Use

I found these statistics for 2011.

Middle school Current cigarette use dropped from 10.7% in 2000 to 4.3% in 2011.
High School Current cigarette use dropped from 27.9% in 2000 to 15.8% in 2011.


Now there isn't any explanatory footnote on that page, but other pages have stated that "current use" means having tried the product at least one time during the 30 days preceding the survey.

However this page: CDC - Trends in Current Cigarette Smoking - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Has a table with data in the first column for "Students" and the second column for "Adults"

A footnote explains what the "Students" column means:

*Percentage of high school students who smoked cigarettes on 1 or more of the 30 days preceding the survey. Data first collected in 1991. (Youth Risk Behavior Survey, 1991–2011).

The cells in the "Students" are blank for even-numbered years.

Here are the entries for 2009 and 2011

2009 19.5

2011 18.1

Why is there a disparity of 3 percent between the two pages for Past 30-day (i.e. "current") smoking for "Students" in 2011?

 

[Kent C]

I am finding conflicting numbers on different pages of the CDC web site.

I was trying to track down CDC numbers for smoking among middle school and high school students, to determine whether these rates are going up (as Tom Frieden's theory would seem to imply) or going down.

On this page: CDC - MMWRs - 2012 - Vol. 61 No. 30 - Highlights - Smoking & Tobacco Use

I found these statistics for 2011.

Middle school Current cigarette use dropped from 10.7% in 2000 to 4.3% in 2011.
High School Current cigarette use dropped from 27.9% in 2000 to 15.8% in 2011.


Now there isn't any explanatory footnote on that page, but other pages have stated that "current use" means having tried the product at least one time during the 30 days preceding the survey.

However this page: CDC - Trends in Current Cigarette Smoking - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Has a table with data in the first column for "Students" and the second column for "Adults"

A footnote explains what the "Students" column means:

*Percentage of high school students who smoked cigarettes on 1 or more of the 30 days preceding the survey. Data first collected in 1991. (Youth Risk Behavior Survey, 1991–2011).

The cells in the "Students" are blank for even-numbered years.

Here are the entries for 2009 and 2011

2009 19.5

2011 18.1

Why is there a disparity of 3 percent between the two pages for Past 30-day (i.e. "current") smoking for "Students" in 2011?

I suspect different studies. The YSBS is done every two years, (on odd years) so their would be no study for year 2000 as stated in the first study cited, and an extrapolation of "27.9" for year 2000 doesn't make sense. In the YSBS it's 34.8 in 1999 and 28.5 in 2001.

And I suppose there's a possible difference in how they define 'middle school' and 'high school'....

 

[Uma]

A lot of middle schools have been abandoned due to the economy and merged with the high schools.

 

[Vocalek]

I suspect different studies. The YSBS is done every two years, (on odd years) so their would be no study for year 2000 as stated in the first study cited, and an extrapolation of "27.9" for year 2000 doesn't make sense. In the YSBS it's 34.8 in 1999 and 28.5 in 2001.

And I suppose there's a possible difference in how they define 'middle school' and 'high school'....

If they are so hyped up about youth smoking, why do they survey risky behavior every other year instead of every year?

 

[Kent C]

If they are so hyped up about youth smoking, why do they survey risky behavior every other year instead of every year?

They probably get grants every year and just pocket the money on the even years And they're not that 'hyped up on youth smoking', but they are hyped up on the control of individual behavior, and taxing and regulating businesses to where they can't operate.

 

[Vocalek]

They probably get grants every year and just pocket the money on the even years And they're not that 'hyped up on youth smoking', but they are hyped up on the control of individual behavior, and taxing and regulating businesses to where they can't operate.

Uh-huh. That computes. But what is their (purported) excuse?

 

[Kent C]

Uh-huh. That computes. But what is their (purported) excuse?

Sadly, in this political environment, they don't need one. We have to explain and justify every lie made against ecigs and they can just keep them rolling out. We've created a political aristocracy that is immune to all of the laws and regulations that they create for us. They rely on businesses and individuals to find workarounds or simply give up and compromise.