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WiηgC¤mmαηdεя

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It would be interesting to know what they are using for wicks. At the bottom of the vid this was carried out on the "new" version.
Couldn't answer what they are using for wicks but the new refers to the fact he has done 3 videos on dry burning the CE-2's.
I do know that the dry burns were done on the pre-ceramic versions of the cartomizers.

Switched, PM me your details and I will mail a couple of the ones I have to you for testing.
If you want to wait a little I have a order in for the new ceramic version and could send you one of each(old and new), I will have both the 510 and the longer 510 XL for the new ones.

All the best, Happy vaping,
Wing.
 

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Cool!

I no longer do maintenance on my attys, outside of washing them out for a flavour change when testing.

Unless your wick is burnt = burnt taste, caused by running an atty too dry. Doing a dry burn will burn the wick = burnt taste, defeating the purpose of dry burning them.

Dry burning = last ditch effort to prolong the life of a fouled atty, and will usually result in an extra week or two at best. it is definitely not recommended as a maintenance routine.

When one of my attys starts to foul, I simply use it at 5-6V, where I will get an extra week or two out of it. No harm no foul here, it was on its way out any way. Most of my attys last me 3-4 months, some longer. So its no biggie for me. They are considered semi-disposable with an expected life span of 2 weeks.

My strawberry menthol carto I had at the meet went poof yesterday. That lasted 5 weeks and a couple of days. It was never washed and probably seen at least 20 refils. Not bad considering they are only intended to be filled once:)

$1.50 / 35 days = $0.04 per day + $1.14/day in liquid = $1.18/day versus $9.00. the way I figure it, it pays for the beers I drank in TO, my hotel room, the gas to TO from Mtl and then some :D

are you saying dry burning is bad for attys or carto's or both? I recently lost a 510 LR atty while I was dry burning :( It was the original LR atty I got from HV and have been primarily dripping with it. It worked wonders the first few times I did it (atty performed like new). I don't think I popped it though as I was VERY careful making sure it never turned "white hot"... my other method that I sometimes married with dry burning was Cozzicon's technique with Iso Alcohol (post 3). I know life of atty's vary and I was a bit dissapointed with it only lasting 3 1/2 weeks :(

drippping with a standard 510 atty is totally underwhelming :(

the search for vaping nirvana continues.........
 

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WiηgC¤mmαηdεя;1780303 said:
Couldn't answer what they are using for wicks but the new refers to the fact he has done 3 videos on dry burning the CE-2's.
I do know that the dry burns were done on the pre-ceramic versions of the cartomizers.

Switched, PM me your details and I will mail a couple of the ones I have to you for testing.
If you want to wait a little I have a order in for the new ceramic version and could send you one of each(old and new), I will have both the 510 and the longer 510 XL for the new ones.

All the best, Happy vaping,
Wing.

where did you order the new C-E2 carto's from? the ceramic version specifically? I'm eager to hear how these work and hopefully they will live up to the hype so I can find a solution for my long commutes...
 

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where did you order the new C-E2 carto's from? the ceramic version specifically? I'm eager to hear how these work and hopefully they will live up to the hype so I can find a solution for my long commutes...

I ordered from e-liquid.cn and specified that I wanted the new ceramic version.
You would need to send them a email using the contact us link(upper right hand corner)with what you are looking to purchase, your address and phone number, and if using Paypal(needs to be a verified Paypal account. ) to pay specify that as well.
Be aware that only existed customers can use this payment method who has more than 1 year verified status
They will calculate the shipping cost and get back to you.

All the best, Happy Vaping,
Wing.
 
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WiηgC¤mmαηdεя;1780401 said:
I ordered from e-liquid.cn and specified that I wanted the new ceramic version.
You would need to send them a email using the contact us link(upper right hand corner)with what you are looking to purchase, your address and phone number, and if using Paypal(needs to be a verified Paypal account. ) to pay specify that as well. They will calculate the shipping cost and get back to you.

All the best, Happy Vaping,
Wing.

thanks for the link... did you get the 510 C-E2's? do you have to order 30 at a time?
 

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thanks for the link... did you get the 510 C-E2's? do you have to order 30 at a time?

No problem, I did get the 510 C-E2's and yes you would need to order 30 at a time, but you could go to their sister site http://www.ecigfair.com and order 10 at a time, only thing is its 15.99USD for 10 blanks from them or 22.88USD for 30 from e-liquid.cn at this time. Shipping is a bit cheaper at ecigfair and you can complete the order online if that helps.

All the best, Happy Vaping,
Wing.
 
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My strawberry menthol carto I had at the meet went poof yesterday. That lasted 5 weeks and a couple of days. It was never washed and probably seen at least 20 refils. Not bad considering they are only intended to be filled once:)

OK, let me comment on this. No point mentioning how many weeks/months it lasts. It can last years if you don't use it. I can easily do 20 refills in one and a half days. That's how long an average 510 cartomizer lasts, in my experience. Maximum two days, case closed ;)
 

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WiηgC¤mmαηdεя;1780448 said:
No problem, I did get the 510 C-E2's and yes you would need to order 30 at a time, but you could go to their sister site http://www.ecigfair.com and order 10 at a time, only thing is its 15.99USD for 10 blanks from them or 22.88USD for 30 from e-liquid.cn at this time. Shipping is a bit cheaper at ecigfair and you can complete the order online if that helps.

All the best, Happy Vaping,
Wing.

thanks for the info... I'll wait till you get em in to decide if I want 30 or not :D ... unless someone wants to split an order with me? these should last a little longer (more refills) than standard 510 carto's no?
 

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OK, let me comment on this. No point mentioning how many weeks/months it lasts. It can last years if you don't use it. I can easily do 20 refills in one and a half days. That's how long an average 510 cartomizer lasts, in my experience. Maximum two days, case closed ;)
Wow! that is a lot of vaping and heavy vaping at that or...

I do not know which cartos U are using. The SLBs will hold 35 drops when new and fresh. They can easily take 25-30 drops per refill thereafter and down around 20-25 when they get older. Depending on the liquid 1 ml = 22 to 30 drops which using your figures puts you at 440-600 drops every day and a half or roughly 20ml, that is some serious vaping, or are you merely topping off (read 10 drops) :rolleyes: OTOH I vape 3-5ml per day, alternating between 2-3 different flavours.

The point I was trying to convey SA is that equipment doesn't last forever and as you clearly stated is performing within design specifications, anything and everything else is pure bonus, case closed ;)
 

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WiηgC¤mmαηdεя;1780303 said:
Couldn't answer what they are using for wicks but the new refers to the fact he has done 3 videos on dry burning the CE-2's.
I do know that the dry burns were done on the pre-ceramic versions of the cartomizers.

Switched, PM me your details and I will mail a couple of the ones I have to you for testing.
If you want to wait a little I have a order in for the new ceramic version and could send you one of each(old and new), I will have both the 510 and the longer 510 XL for the new ones.

All the best, Happy Vaping,
Wing.
Wing,

I appreciate your generous offer. At first I was going to pass on it because the marketing never struck my fancy (transparency). After seeing the various reviews on them to include several videos, my original doubts were substantiated and I am glad I originally passed.

However, after some reflection I will indeed take you up on your offer for the sake of reviewing them, and provide my honest opinion. They will have to be the bees knees for me to change my mind though, but as always, I will provide an accurate review of these puppies.

are you saying dry burning is bad for attys or carto's or both? I recently lost a 510 LR atty while I was dry burning :( It was the original LR atty I got from HV and have been primarily dripping with it. It worked wonders the first few times I did it (atty performed like new). I don't think I popped it though as I was VERY careful making sure it never turned "white hot"... my other method that I sometimes married with dry burning was Cozzicon's technique with Iso Alcohol (post 3). I know life of atty's vary and I was a bit dissapointed with it only lasting 3 1/2 weeks :(

drippping with a standard 510 atty is totally underwhelming :(

the search for vaping nirvana continues.........
Yup! I seen the vid and yes I employed a similar technique in the beginning. In my experience it provided marginal results at best and therefore gave up the hassle. Let me expand...

There are a lot of factors in play wrt how quickly an atty fouls up and or fails and they have all be mentioned before:

  • juice viscosity - a heavily VG ladden liquid will diminish the life of an atty as it doesn't adequately provide sufficient cooling effect to the coil;
  • flavours - heavily flavoured, artificially coloured or sweet juices will increase the build up of gunk exponentially;
  • taking long hits, some folks are taking 7-10 second hits. During these sessions although seeming insignificant, will cause "gunking" in the latter stages of the hit. Prolonged use in this mode exacerbates the problem;
  • not allowing the atty to cool between hits;
  • not keeping the atty wet;
  • vaping the atty in a flooded condition, the latter is actually worst for the life span of the atty than it is to vaping a cart or atty dry;
  • operating the atty outside of its intended limitations imposed by its own resistance. e.g using an atty outside of its design specifications (read LR); and
  • the use of HV and XHV and not combining/matching the atty to the voltage.
... but folks do not want to hear that.

If you are talking about low resistance attys only lasting 3.5 weeks, hey that is cool. You had 1.5 week bonus. Yes the odd one will last longer, but there is a lot of BS out there, and hype. You will come to find this out with time.

where did you order the new C-E2 carto's from? the ceramic version specifically? I'm eager to hear how these work and hopefully they will live up to the hype so I can find a solution for my long commutes...
... a solution would be the eGo mega carts and attys. Although I am not a fan of these as they vape as an 801 versus the "eGo" vape, they will last your commute both ways. They hold 2ml 44 drops (I prefer 40, a little less wet in the beginning).

Ed,

You are searching and not finding. This is perfectly normal. You are going through "cigarette" withdrawals. What mg are U vaping at? It may be too low. Are U vaping any tobacco flavours? They help! Hey, you might of actually graduated to HV vaping, who knows. Skiped a couple of classes by starting with LRs, which as you know equates to 5V vaping. Get yourself a simple 5V box mod using 3Ohm SLB attys which will put you at 8 watts vice your current combo of 6.4 watts (when atty is new). Bartleby a quality mod at a more than reasonable price.

FWIW, yes I use LR occasionally, but I am not a fan perse. Voltage and matching resistance is key as we discussed. The latter is not my opinion but that of some serious folks "modders" out there who have indeed found the solution, which is 3.7V constant with an atty/batt combo that produces 8-9 watts.

When I look in my crystal ball I see stacking batteries will become a thing of the past. Don't get me wrong, I do vape HV but with lesser frequency. Many vendors have indeed been working heavily in modifying the heart of vaping, the atty. The latest the Cisco LR 306 or the entire IkenVape SLB line. The bar has been raised and we (the community) are not doing the limbo.

WRT the CE2s, liquid doesn't flow uphill very well. Yes I understand the shoe lace principle, it works great for a constant reasonable demand, whether it be used for watering plant seedlings or used in a oil lamp, consistency in demand is the key, and something us vapers do not provide with our demands.
 

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Sorry for not reading through several threads and hundreds of posts but .....I initially tried the CE2's (I guess the older but not oldest version) and found that they just didn't work. After 2 or 3 hits they failed to wick properly. My question is this. Has anyone tried the "new" version at 4.2v or higher (I use only 18650 batteries or a VV Fistpack) with success? Can the "new" ones wick fast enough?
 

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Sorry for not reading through several threads and hundreds of posts but .....I initially tried the CE2's (I guess the older but not oldest version) and found that they just didn't work. After 2 or 3 hits they failed to wick properly. My question is this. Has anyone tried the "new" version at 4.2v or higher (I use only 18650 batteries or a VV Fistpack) with success? Can the "new" ones wick fast enough?
I hear you Pete and I posted my feelings about the wickability in one of those threads.

How much flow will go through a garden hose if you reduce/constrict its internal diameter by half? It will indeed be greatly diminished.

This comment was added to a suggestion of adding more loops to help alleviate this problem. Adding more loops without enlarging the coils internal diameter is pointless and will only exacerbate the problem. The coil needs only to be as tight as to hold the bundle of loops. That being said, it also reduces the amount of turns of the coil, reducing the overall with of the coil. Is that important? Personally I do not think so. The amount of coils is commensurate with wire size and length which in turn equates with the overall resistance desired. Since this is a fixed qty, I am not sure if it is significant without playing with them.

Liquid doesn't flow uphill and although wicking is a natural occuring phenomena constricting the flow (at the coil) diminished its overall effectiveness.
 

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However, after some reflection I will indeed take you up on your offer for the sake of reviewing them, and provide my honest opinion. They will have to be the bees knees for me to change my mind though, but as always, I will provide an accurate review of these puppies.

Looking forward to your review as well as Wing's

Switched said:
Yup! I seen the vid and yes I employed a similar technique in the beginning. In my experience it provided marginal results at best and therefore gave up the hassle. Let me expand...

There are a lot of factors in play wrt how quickly an atty fouls up and or fails and they have all be mentioned before:

  • juice viscosity - a heavily VG ladden liquid will diminish the life of an atty as it doesn't adequately provide sufficient cooling effect to the coil;
  • flavours - heavily flavoured, artificially coloured or sweet juices will increase the build up of gunk exponentially;
  • taking long hits, some folks are taking 7-10 second hits. During these sessions although seeming insignificant, will cause "gunking" in the latter stages of the hit. Prolonged use in this mode exacerbates the problem;
  • not allowing the atty to cool between hits;
  • not keeping the atty wet;
  • vaping the atty in a flooded condition, the latter is actually worst for the life span of the atty than it is to vaping a cart or atty dry;
  • operating the atty outside of its intended limitations imposed by its own resistance. e.g using an atty outside of its design specifications (read LR); and
  • the use of HV and XHV and not combining/matching the atty to the voltage.
... but folks do not want to hear that.

So, do YOU do any maintenance/cleaning with your attys now? before cozzicon's isopropyl alcohol method and the dry burn I would just blow out the juice at the end of the night. I thought HP's dry burn method was going to be harmful to the atty based on well DRY burning it... yes it cleans the atty and the gunk, but I thought that was a horrible thing for the atty? especially LR? I decided to try the dry burn method because so many had successful stories with it and it DID work for me in terms of performance, however I'm not sure if I ended up losing my 510 LR atty BECAUSE of this method or Cozzicon's method. I could have sworn I read somewhere in that thread as well that the dry burn method was "approved" by Joye? or they recommend a VERY similar method?

Switched said:
If you are talking about low resistance attys only lasting 3.5 weeks, hey that is cool. You had 1.5 week bonus. Yes the odd one will last longer, but there is a lot of BS out there, and hype. You will come to find this out with time.

Well I was pre-warned I guess from Jack and others that atty's life span will vary, and couldn't understand how some vendors could offer 6months-1year warranty on these items!! I've ordered some stuff from one of these vendors and will see how it goes. It's just difficult to go from a LR atty to a std 510 atty.... :(

Switched said:
... a solution would be the eGo mega carts and attys. Although I am not a fan of these as they vape as an 801 versus the "eGo" vape, they will last your commute both ways. They hold 2ml 44 drops (I prefer 40, a little less wet in the beginning).

I did like the eGo mega carts/atty at first when they were brand new, and yes could easily fill with 40 drops, but again, performance has died down in terms of wicking... I did try flipping the polyfill around... maybe it's just time to put new polyfill in there... I've heard some people have had success with the blue foam in the mega carts, so I may try that as well. I actually don't mind the vape... not as warm of a vape compared to a 510 LR atty, but good vapour and decent taste when working well.


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Ed,

You are searching and not finding. This is perfectly normal. You are going through "cigarette" withdrawals. What mg are U vaping at? It may be too low. Are U vaping any tobacco flavours? They help! Hey, you might of actually graduated to HV vaping, who knows. Skiped a couple of classes by starting with LRs, which as you know equates to 5V vaping. Get yourself a simple 5V box mod using 3Ohm SLB attys which will put you at 8 watts vice your current combo of 6.4 watts (when atty is new). Bartleby a quality mod at a more than reasonable price.

FWIW, yes I use LR occasionally, but I am not a fan perse. Voltage and matching resistance is key as we discussed. The latter is not my opinion but that of some serious folks "modders" out there who have indeed found the solution, which is 3.7V constant with an atty/batt combo that produces 8-9 watts.

When I look in my crystal ball I see stacking batteries will become a thing of the past. Don't get me wrong, I do vape HV but with lesser frequency. Many vendors have indeed been working heavily in modifying the heart of vaping, the atty. The latest the Cisco LR 306 or the entire IkenVape SLB line. The bar has been raised and we (the community) are not doing the limbo.

I will certainly take your suggestion and hold off at the moment... I know the Ali'i is coming out soon (Journeyman 2) and will offer variable voltage on it. Super T obviously is at the top of my list too.. maybe finding a use P16 or P18 would work. I'm saving my std 510 carto's and reg 510 attys with my next HV device and hope that will make a big enough difference for me. Thanks for your detailed response as always Switched!
 

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*SNIP

So, do YOU do any maintenance/cleaning with your attys now?
Nope! You have seen my set up in which I keep my attys, they get put away wet and last until they die.

...armful to the atty based on well DRY burning it... yes it cleans the atty and the gunk, but I thought that was a horrible thing for the atty? especially LR?
Yup!

I decided to try the dry burn method because so many had successful stories with it and it DID work for me in terms of performance, however I'm not sure if I ended up losing my 510 LR atty BECAUSE of this method
Probably!

I could have sworn I read somewhere in that thread as well that the dry burn method was "approved" by Joye? or they recommend a VERY similar method?
The janty site or ub forum I believe, it is around here



Well I was pre-warned I guess from Jack and others that atty's life span will vary, and couldn't understand how some vendors could offer 6months-1year warranty on these items!!
It cost more for shipping than what the atty is worth, most folks won't bother and when they do, there is usually a lot of explaining to do :(

I did like the eGo mega carts/atty at first when they were brand new, and yes could easily fill with 40 drops, but again, performance has died down in terms of wicking... I did try flipping the polyfill around... maybe it's just time to put new polyfill in there...
Yup!

I've heard some people have had success with the blue foam in the mega carts, so I may try that as well. I actually don't mind the vape... not as warm of a vape compared to a 510 LR atty, but good vapour and decent taste when working well.
Me too!

I will certainly take your suggestion and hold off at the moment... I know the Ali'i is coming out soon (Journeyman 2) and will offer variable voltage on it. Super T obviously is at the top of my list too.. maybe finding a use P16 or P18 would work. I'm saving my std 510 carto's and reg 510 attys with my next HV device and hope that will make a big enough difference for me. Thanks for your detailed response as always Switched!
Dont worry about the Precise series, I only explained why I purchased mine, that is all.

U R always welcome :)
 
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