Ce4 and Ce5 - What are the differences?

[rowdyplace]

Quite new to this hobby, I am confused about these atty's. I'm not asking about the Kanger T3s (my personal favorite) with the removable bottoms and replaceable coil assembly, but the no-name atty's one finds with the low end starter kits and offered over the internet. There are several you-tube videos about these, but the ones I found seem to not actually know the difference.

Ce4 = wicks and Ce5 = wickless? I don't know...

Some with wicks have shorter wicks (not stubs) while some have longer (shaggy) wicks.

Some wickless (non-removable bottoms) have small holes in the "pipe" while others have larger holes. Both seem to have 2 sets of 2 holes.

Maybe there is not a specific standard for each of these. Maybe different manufacturers just do a knock-off of someone's design.

Finally, which is better? The Ce4 or Ce5; wicks or wickless? (Dare I ask why?)

I already have found that the more expensive atty's seem superior. Like I said, I favor the Kanger T3s.

Thanks in advance...

 

[bacc.vap]

There could be some other minor variations, but the main difference is that CE4's are built to be disposable, can't take them apart very easily, and CE5's can be taken apart and have replaceable coil heads, which can also be rebuilt if you so choose.

 

[rowdyplace]

Thank you for the response. In no way am I trying to disrespect or argue. Please look at the first Ce5 advertisement I grabbed from ebay. There are several more like this.

5 Pack New Wickless Cartomizer Atomizer Clearomizer for Ego 510 CE5 No Wicks | eBay

<< not my ad - illustrative purposes only>>

As we can see, the bottoms do not appear to be removable (nor rebuildable). I interpret this to be a disposable type unit. I am familier with Kanger T3s, with the removable bottom and replaceable coil. The ones displayed in this ebay listing are wickless with the smaller holes.

Perhaps I am trying to understand something that is so blurred across our hobby that the terms are more generic and not really specific.

 

[Kent C]

After review - wrong data - some are different..

 

[bacc.vap]

The problem is not really that my simple description is wrong, it's that it is a product was originally made by Joyteche. When they had a major change they would up the number,CE4 to CE5 etc. More minor improvements and the number would stay the same. Other companies in China copy them and make changes willy nilly and basically just use whatever name they think will sell. I stopped paying much attention quite a while ago when I saw a CE12 or !3, don't remeber exactly. If you buy a Joyteche CE4 or 5 the main difference will be what I mentioned. Might be small variations like long/short wick, but no major changes within any particular numbered CE cartomizer if you get the original. Outside of the original, all bets are off, it's a fuster cluck.

Now, if you can find true blue Joyteche products with these major differences then things have changed from what I new and I'm wrong. I really have'nt been following them for a while.

The CE5's are better just because you can replace/rebuild the heads, now if you want botton coil, then you want a CE3.

 

[rowdyplace]

Ok, that explains it to me. And, that fits with what I am seeing. I appreciate the extra effort on your part.

Joytech is the original. Now, every offshore manufacturer turns out something to sell in this market and blurs the name/identity of the product and design. Probably sells exactly the same product under several different brand names and various product names.

I spent the last 30 years in the personal computer business watching the Asians do the same thing to every product developed in the United States. Same name(almost) - different product. Similar product - different name. That really has not changed in that industry.

Thanks for the education. I owe you one!!

 

[Kent C]

Ok, that explains it to me. And, that fits with what I am seeing. I appreciate the extra effort on your part.

Joytech is the original. Now, every offshore manufacturer turns out something to sell in this market and blurs the name/identity of the product and design. Probably sells exactly the same product under several different brand names and various product names.

I spent the last 30 years in the personal computer business watching the Asians do the same thing to every product developed in the United States. Same name(almost) - different product. Similar product - different name. That really has not changed in that industry.

Thanks for the education. I owe you one!!

joyetech - the maker of eGos, etc. never made CE clearomizers. Royal Smokers (China) were the original E1, E2, etc. which became the "CE" series and picked up by Vision as the manufacturer. You'll see many "eGo CE4" kits that have clone eGo's (usually) packaged with Vision CE4 or 5's as starter kits.

They're naming has been a confusing affair from the very start. Again, "originally" as bacc.vap says was the 'non-replaceable' top coil clearo, and the CE5 the one with the replaceable coil. The "newer" wickless (actually has a wick that is inside the inner metal tube) clearo came out, for some reason they called that the CE5 as well and the replaceable coil type became the "CE5+"

In googling, I've seen both the wickless and the replaceable called the "CE5" and one has the knurled bottom and one doesn't. I'd just ask the ebay seller if it's replaceable coil type. Or better, imo, buy it from GotVapes who started the whole line in the first place.

 

[bacc.vap]

Oops, my mistake on the manufacturere, sorry.

 

[rowdyplace]

No problem. Your point is still valid.

Anybody have a link to the company that did start the Ce line?

 

[Kent C]

No problem. Your point is still valid.

Anybody have a link to the company that did start the Ce line?

Royal Smokers link is a 'red alert' on McAfee for some reason??? When the "E1's" came out, they were the first clearos ever. Followed somewhat in the Dangerous Cartos thread under 'cartomizers' subforum (and elsewhere). There were so many versions even then, it was hard to follow what exactly was going on.

...and yes, bacc.vap got it right on the original CE4 vs. CE5 difference.