Charging my Batteries 'N Stuff

Status
Not open for further replies.

nyiddle

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 9, 2014
2,826
2,692
USA. State: Inebriated.
Which Samsung 18650's? Which charger?

I recommend charging the batteries before your device says it won't fire. Your device has a battery indicator so it should be pretty easy to tell how low they are. Ideally, no, don't drain them till they're "dead", though in a regulated device the chip should prevent anything bad from happening.

Yes. You have to wait until they are both completely charged before you use them again. These batteries are now "married". Everything that happens to one has to happen to the other, deal? You can't use one in a single-battery device without the other or have one charge while you use the other in your RC car or anything. They need to match in terms of charge cycles and overall wear and tear.

2x 18650's at 1A usually takes about an hour or two from 3.5V to 4.2V (from what I've found). It of course depends on the battery a bit, and most of the time my nominal voltage isn't exactly the same when I take my batteries out of my device.
 

Darth Omerta

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Jun 22, 2015
1,510
2,201
45
I would recommend charging them fully before first use. Some batteries have a minimal charge before they're sold(I dont think you can sell a completely drained rechargeable battery, please correct me if Im wrong). Fully charging them both puts them on the same cycle pattern from minute one. I fully charge all my batteries before first use. You might actually find they are close to drained anyway, at least I usually do!
 

Logan Littrell

Full Member
Jul 7, 2015
40
10
28
Which Samsung 18650's? Which charger?

I recommend charging the batteries before your device says it won't fire. Your device has a battery indicator so it should be pretty easy to tell how low they are. Ideally, no, don't drain them till they're "dead", though in a regulated device the chip should prevent anything bad from happening.

Yes. You have to wait until they are both completely charged before you use them again. These batteries are now "married". Everything that happens to one has to happen to the other, deal? You can't use one in a single-battery device without the other or have one charge while you use the other in your RC car or anything. They need to match in terms of charge cycles and overall wear and tear.

2x 18650's at 1A usually takes about an hour or two from 3.5V to 4.2V (from what I've found). It of course depends on the battery a bit, and most of the time my nominal voltage isn't exactly the same when I take my batteries out of my device.
The Samsung 25Rs and a trustfire charger
 

Enk

Full Member
Jul 15, 2015
11
22
49
The B&M shop I got my batteries from told me that they come 70% charged and that I should use that charge up before charging them myself. Bad advice? It's what I did and I haven't had any issues with it thus far. One battery lasts me all damn day. I love it. I've heard stories from the past where batteries would last 30 mins to an hour. I would be back on analogs by now if that were still the case.
 

Darth Omerta

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Jun 22, 2015
1,510
2,201
45
I wont use a battery until Ive checked it. Usually I slip it into my Nitecore Intelligent charger to get a good reading. The last half dozen or so batteries I purchased were nearly completely drained. No matter what the clerks at any B&M say, I always do my own check before using a new battery.
 

nyiddle

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 9, 2014
2,826
2,692
USA. State: Inebriated.
Batteries are sold with a certain amount of nominal voltage in them because they're safest for travel that way. A battery should NEVER get below about 3V during regular use. You run the risk of doing serious damage to your battery (and potentially bodily harm to yourself). The one time I drained some batteries down to (I think) 2.7V, they never held charge the same and I promptly chucked them.

Definitely charge your batteries when you first purchase them, absolutely. Also, does that Trustfire charger have built-in safety? Can it cut-off? Overcharge protection? Etc? I don't trust anything from TrustFire. My Efest charger has been treating me real nice so far, and I trust it to not burst into flames. I mean, it doesn't have "fire" in the name right?
 

Logan Littrell

Full Member
Jul 7, 2015
40
10
28
Batteries are sold with a certain amount of nominal voltage in them because they're safest for travel that way. A battery should NEVER get below about 3V during regular use. You run the risk of doing serious damage to your battery (and potentially bodily harm to yourself). The one time I drained some batteries down to (I think) 2.7V, they never held charge the same and I promptly chucked them.

Definitely charge your batteries when you first purchase them, absolutely. Also, does that Trustfire charger have built-in safety? Can it cut-off? Overcharge protection? Etc? I don't trust anything from TrustFire. My Efest charger has been treating me real nice so far, and I trust it to not burst into flames. I mean, it doesn't have "fire" in the name right?
It says that it has:
Perfect Protection
Over Voltage Protection
Over Current Protection
Short Circuit Protection
Anti-Reverse-Battery Protection
 

suprtrkr

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 22, 2014
10,409
15,050
Cowtown, USA. Where the West begins.
Definitely charge the batteries together, and keep them paired. Do charge them fully before first use. Also, don't take them off the charger and plug them back into the mod. They need time to cool and re-order the electrical charge they have received in their internal chemical structure. Do charge them right after they come out of the mod; don't leave them around with no charge in them. Do take them out of the mod and charge them before they are dead flat. The safe way to do this is to have two pairs of married batteries for each two-battery mod. That way you can vape one while the other is charging and resting.
 

Mooch

Electron Wrangler
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
  • May 13, 2015
    4,042
    16,022
    It says that it has:
    Perfect Protection
    Over Voltage Protection
    Over Current Protection
    Short Circuit Protection
    Anti-Reverse-Battery Protection

    Hmm...maybe it's just me, but if has Perfect Protection why does it need all the others? :D
     

    Susan~S

    ECF Guru
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Mar 12, 2014
    16,936
    11,694
    69
    Mpls/St.Paul, MN
    Links on Trustfire Charger Problems

    From @Baditude's Blog (#9):

    Battery Chargers. Get the best charger that you can reasonably afford. Statistically most battery incidents occur while charging. Pila, Xtar, and Nitecore Intellicharger are the most recommended brands.
     

    Rsunderl

    Ultra Member
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Sep 4, 2014
    1,687
    1,032
    Silver Spring, MD, USA
    Also, it's a good idea to rotate the positions in the mod when you use them. What I mean is that if battery A was last in position 1 in the mod and battery B was in position 2, the next time you put them in the mod, put battery A in position 2 and battery B in position 1.
     

    nyiddle

    Ultra Member
    ECF Veteran
    Apr 9, 2014
    2,826
    2,692
    USA. State: Inebriated.
    Also, it's a good idea to rotate the positions in the mod when you use them. What I mean is that if battery A was last in position 1 in the mod and battery B was in position 2, the next time you put them in the mod, put battery A in position 2 and battery B in position 1.

    Forgot to mention this. This is why it's a good idea to label your batteries, especially if you end up getting 2 pairs (which will inevitably happen), so you don't mix the 2 separately married pairs up. That'd be battery adultery.
     

    speedy_r6

    Super Member
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Apr 25, 2015
    438
    400
    Illinois, US
    Definitely charge the batteries together, and keep them paired. Do charge them fully before first use. Also, don't take them off the charger and plug them back into the mod. They need time to cool and re-order the electrical charge they have received in their internal chemical structure. Do charge them right after they come out of the mod; don't leave them around with no charge in them. Do take them out of the mod and charge them before they are dead flat. The safe way to do this is to have two pairs of married batteries for each two-battery mod. That way you can vape one while the other is charging and resting.

    To expand on what you said about giving them rest, I think people need to pay attention to that. I used to just run the crap out of one of my rc cars and I was CONSTANTLY charging and discharging the batteries. The minute they would come off the charger, they were back in the car and going another round. When they died, they went right back on the charger. I ended up only getting about 200 charge cycles out of those. After that, I started buying more batteries because I read that they needed a "rest" period after each charge cycle and each discharge cycle. Started doing that and suddenly got close to 400 cycles out of batteries that were the same brand as the others that I was barely getting 200 out of. Since then, I do the same thing with my 18650s. Charge them to full when they are new. Let them sit for a full 24 hours after they are done charging. Use them in my sig 150 and run them down to somewhere between 3.6v and 3.7v. Pop another set of charged batteries in there. Let the ones that just drained sit for a full 24 hours, then throw them on the charger. Once they are done charging, they go back into the charged pile where they sit for at least 24 hours(but no more than 5 days) before they are used again. I have noticed I need at least 3 pairs of batteries at the rate I vape in order to keep this rotation, but I am sure it is better for the batteries.

    Here is my rotation:
    If I have four sets of batteries(we will call them A, B, C, and D), I will start by charging A and B right away. I will normally use the A set right away this one time, even though it hasn't had the 24 hours for rest. For the day I am using those, the B set is resting and the C set is charging. As soon as the C set is charged, they go in the charged rest pile. After about a day of using the A set, they will be down to the 3.6-3.7v range(we will refer to this point as "drained") and come out of the mod. When they come out, the B set goes in the mod, the A set goes in the drained rest pile and the D set goes in the charger. When the D set is charged, they go in the charged rest pile behind the C set. When the B set is drained, the C set goes into the mod and the A set goes into the charger and the B set goes into the drained rest pile. When the A set is charged again, they go into the charged rest pile behind the D set. When the C set is drained, they go into the drained rest pile, the D set goes in the mod, and the B set goes into the charger. When the B set is charged, they go into the charged rest pile behind the A set. When the D set is drained, it goes into the drained rest pile, the A set goes into the mod, and the C set goes into the charger. This whole sequence just repeats on and on from that point, ensuring each set gets at least 24 hours before going onto the charger after coming out of the mod, and at least another 24 hours before they go from the charger back into the mod. So far, I have seen no noticeable decrease in the capacity of the batteries even after several cycles. It may be a bit overkill, but I don't mind doing the extra work if it makes the batteries last longer.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: Darth Omerta

    suprtrkr

    ECF Guru
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Jun 22, 2014
    10,409
    15,050
    Cowtown, USA. Where the West begins.
    To expand on what you said about giving them rest, I think people need to pay attention to that. I used to just run the crap out of one of my rc cars and I was CONSTANTLY charging and discharging the batteries. The minute they would come off the charger, they were back in the car and going another round. When they died, they went right back on the charger. I ended up only getting about 200 charge cycles out of those. After that, I started buying more batteries because I read that they needed a "rest" period after each charge cycle and each discharge cycle. Started doing that and suddenly got close to 400 cycles out of batteries that were the same brand as the others that I was barely getting 200 out of. Since then, I do the same thing with my 18650s. Charge them to full when they are new. Let them sit for a full 24 hours after they are done charging. Use them in my sig 150 and run them down to somewhere between 3.6v and 3.7v. Pop another set of charged batteries in there. Let the ones that just drained sit for a full 24 hours, then throw them on the charger. Once they are done charging, they go back into the charged pile where they sit for at least 24 hours(but no more than 5 days) before they are used again. I have noticed I need at least 3 pairs of batteries at the rate I vape in order to keep this rotation, but I am sure it is better for the batteries.

    Here is my rotation:
    If I have four sets of batteries(we will call them A, B, C, and D), I will start by charging A and B right away. I will normally use the A set right away this one time, even though it hasn't had the 24 hours for rest. For the day I am using those, the B set is resting and the C set is charging. As soon as the C set is charged, they go in the charged rest pile. After about a day of using the A set, they will be down to the 3.6-3.7v range(we will refer to this point as "drained") and come out of the mod. When they come out, the B set goes in the mod, the A set goes in the drained rest pile and the D set goes in the charger. When the D set is charged, they go in the charged rest pile behind the C set. When the B set is drained, the C set goes into the mod and the A set goes into the charger and the B set goes into the drained rest pile. When the A set is charged again, they go into the charged rest pile behind the D set. When the C set is drained, they go into the drained rest pile, the D set goes in the mod, and the B set goes into the charger. When the B set is charged, they go into the charged rest pile behind the A set. When the D set is drained, it goes into the drained rest pile, the A set goes into the mod, and the C set goes into the charger. This whole sequence just repeats on and on from that point, ensuring each set gets at least 24 hours before going onto the charger after coming out of the mod, and at least another 24 hours before they go from the charger back into the mod. So far, I have seen no noticeable decrease in the capacity of the batteries even after several cycles. It may be a bit overkill, but I don't mind doing the extra work if it makes the batteries last longer.
    Thank you, that's a fuller explanation than I offered. I agree with every word, except I didn't know about resting the batteries after they come out of the mod and before charging. Mind you, 3.6~3.7 is very close to nominal cell voltage and further approximates the "half-charge" state recommended for long term storage; therefore I don't believe so doing is harmful. I just didn't know it was beneficial. Why, if you know? Or perhaps we'll get lucky and a chemist or EE will come along and explain it to us both.
     
    Status
    Not open for further replies.

    Users who are viewing this thread